Str Bow Fire vs. Cold

xCrazyAzn301 · Post by **xCrazyAzn301** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:44 pm

I just started Silkroad about 1 month ago and its an awesome game. I currently have a lvl 21 Str Lightning Glaive. I was kinda getting bored and decided to make an archer. I have be debating whether to choose fire or cold. Ive heard many things about what to pick like cold freezes the enemy so you get some extra hits in and that fire is the strongest and will kill the enemy faster. Also, between the last books of both imbues there is about a 125 dmg difference fire doing more dmg. Another opinion I have heard is that if you are a pvp you want to go with cold, and if you are a pve you want to go with fire, BUT, what if you were in between both pve and pvp fighting both monsters and players and random times. So that is my question. Please comment so I can choose. Also...please dont say lightning...lol.

x_CodeZero_x · Post by **x_CodeZero_x** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:51 am

Everybody has their own oppinion on this, some say cold some say fire. There's a lot more fire users but here's what the two skills come down to..

Fire - More damage oriented, better in pvp.
Cold - Defence oriented, better in pve.

Cold really isn't helpful in pvp assuming the person is using autopill like they should. Most people will disagree with that saying "Oh it'll give you an extra second" well people can still pot through it.

A lot of high level people use fire and say it works a lot better than ice. Like Fly is big pro fire, I hate cold, I think fire is better. It's always going to be like this, untill the caps get raised untill they are maxed. Then we'll see what's going to come out on top.

paznos · Post by **paznos** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:40 am

well i have to disagre...cold is definatly one of the best forces for pvp...i know he doesnt do that great dmg as fire but the slows he do can give u an outstandig advantage over the oponent...besides even with auto pill with 3-4 arrows in a row he will stay frost for a long time ...
PS:the korean pvp champion was a frost archer

x_CodeZero_x · Post by **x_CodeZero_x** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:59 am

Lol see what I mean? Anywho Fly said it was a pure str fire blade that won the korean pvp.

But again I go back to autopill for cold, only saves the attacker a couple seconds if even that much.

djkelvz · Post by **djkelvz** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:40 am

paznos wrote:well i have to disagre...cold is definatly one of the best forces for pvp...i know he doesnt do that great dmg as fire but the slows he do can give u an outstandig advantage over the oponent...besides even with auto pill with 3-4 arrows in a row he will stay frost for a long time ...
PS:the korean pvp champion was a frost archer

let's see about that when fire shield is also mastered by a bow user..

The only requirement I need is a shield in my inventory...

fire shield+all accessories with 22% freeze/frostbite reduction =

x_CodeZero_x · Post by **x_CodeZero_x** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:39 pm

Yeah that's another important factor with the right stuff you can make yourself immune to cold lol.

hellsharpt · Post by **hellsharpt** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:56 pm

the damage buffs with fire make a big difference at higher levels. At lower levels I'd say cold.

- reformed cold bow user

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:37 am

Fly said this, fly said this, **** Fly. Go experience things yourself before you say what is and isn't good.

microcosm · Post by **microcosm** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:53 am

Why not get both..fire, ice, a bit of light for walks, and pacheon

x_CodeZero_x · Post by **x_CodeZero_x** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:23 am

Why the **** are you trying to start shit Stallowned? I mean seriously, what are you jealous of Fly or something? Don't like him because he knows more? I HAVE experience in the game you really don't know what you're talking about.

STEALTHippo · Post by **STEALTHippo** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:38 am

It has just been a few days since the site re-opened and there is already bitching...

Post by **dom** » Wed May 17, 2006 2:18 pm

Because you're going STR you WILL get the physical damage buffs in the fire tree. I'd go with fire imbue just to save SP, rather stick the SP from the cold tree into lightning for fast run, piercing, concentration and the passive.

SP aside:
On my blader I always keep my fire imbue as high as it will go, but I do carry a level 1 cold imbue just for when cold is really needed, does less damage then if I leveled it but since the damage isn't great with a high level cold imbue and what were going for is the status effect, a level 1 cold imbue will work fine.

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Wed May 17, 2006 2:21 pm

x_CodeZero_x wrote:Lol see what I mean? Anywho Fly said it was a pure str fire blade that won the korean pvp.

But again I go back to autopill for cold, only saves the attacker a couple seconds if even that much.

lol i have other sources that said it was a cold archer that's the current champion

and also that a majority of the builds in korea are hybrids not pure.

kitary · Post by **kitary** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:26 pm

hmm i say any good bowmen actualy has both fire and cold mastery's anyway's

its just a matter of opinion or sp farming where to pull your imbue from
i say sp farming couse you just take both fire and cold imbue and use wat ever is best for the job at hand

paznos · Post by **paznos** » Wed May 17, 2006 4:36 pm

well i still prefer using ice as main skill tree...ok ok u can have a frost proof gear but is really hard to find a full set of it...and ok lets pretend u got one...u wont have the best ekips with the cold proof so u may choose...or a high defense or the ice proof ...very build has ur pros and cons...ok fire has more dmg but ice has more def...fire burns and ice slow...all depend on ur play style...and if fire was so much better the pool wouldnt be almost drawn as it is xD

donteatdog · Post by **donteatdog** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:34 pm

Well I once had an STR/Ice/Archer (my 1st char)... I got to about level 18 and couldnt stand it anymore! You kill twice as slow as everybody else when grinding, you get owned easily in pvp, and you get KSed by others all the time because you cant kill a giant fast enough. I couldnt take it anymore so I switched to Fire instead, and my grinding speed almost doubled :shock:

Personally I would rather take Fire for those reasons, but also because Fire has Physical Attack buffs/passives which will help you out greatly in the long run.

AppleJuiceCaboose · Post by **AppleJuiceCaboose** » Fri May 19, 2006 2:41 am

the more you play, the more you realise that the things fly says are stupid.

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:03 am

x_CodeZero_x wrote:Everybody has their own oppinion on this, some say cold some say fire. There's a lot more fire users but here's what the two skills come down to..

Fire - More damage oriented, better in pvp.
Cold - Defence oriented, better in pve.

Cold really isn't helpful in pvp assuming the person is using autopill like they should. Most people will disagree with that saying "Oh it'll give you an extra second" well people can still pot through it.

A lot of high level people use fire and say it works a lot better than ice. Like Fly is big pro fire, I hate cold, I think fire is better. It's always going to be like this, untill the caps get raised untill they are maxed. Then we'll see what's going to come out on top.

nice but my 2 bros done up to lvl 4X cold archers they are TOTALY USELESS AT PVE even on white monsters also on green too!
and they culdnt killa nuker who was only using thunder had no other nukes. (whom later i hit killed)

so i dont c any point of cold archer apart from early lvl of sp farm mabe later they be good who knows

*later = 6X 7X

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:04 am

AppleJuiceCaboose wrote:the more you play, the more you realise that the things fly says are stupid.

lol you are MY GOD!

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am

x_CodeZero_x wrote:Why the **** are you trying to start shit Stallowned? I mean seriously, what are you jealous of Fly or something? Don't like him because he knows more? I HAVE experience in the game you really don't know what you're talking about.

lol ok i guess we can say stallowned is an ass or w/e

lolz no offense. and i agree with you ,except your last sentence

"I HAVE experience in the game you really don't know what you're talking about"

yes havent reached 3X and you talk shit like that with a 6X

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:11 am

x_CodeZero_x wrote:Yeah that's another important factor with the right stuff you can make yourself immune to cold lol.

i hope u realise that doesnt exist u still get frost/freeze but u just get off it like using a universal except you dont.
well atleast thats wat its like on cnsro

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:13 am

Stallowned wrote:Fly said this, fly said this, **** Fly. Go experience things yourself before you say what is and isn't good.

if only all noobs followed this their wouldnt be so many questions on what build is the best 99% of the posts i c is about best build and etc

XuChu · Post by **XuChu** » Fri May 19, 2006 10:14 am

dom wrote:Because you're going STR you WILL get the physical damage buffs in the fire tree. I'd go with fire imbue just to save SP, rather stick the SP from the cold tree into lightning for fast run, piercing, concentration and the passive.

SP aside:
On my blader I always keep my fire imbue as high as it will go, but I do carry a level 1 cold imbue just for when cold is really needed, does less damage then if I leveled it but since the damage isn't great with a high level cold imbue and what were going for is the status effect, a level 1 cold imbue will work fine.

hmmm dom up to now i you'd b 6X or late 5X but lvl 1 cold imbue wow u may aswell get frost nova wind lol

theCoder · Post by **theCoder** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:55 pm

paznos wrote:well i have to disagre...cold is definatly one of the best forces for pvp...i know he doesnt do that great dmg as fire but the slows he do can give u an outstandig advantage over the oponent...besides even with auto pill with 3-4 arrows in a row he will stay frost for a long time ...
PS:the korean pvp champion was a frost archer

That has not been my experience at all. When you PvP with a weak universal pill, then yes, when a higher lvl icer comes around, sure. Come prepared, and the pure str icer will seal his own fate. Auto-pill (at the highest dosage) cancels ice... period. The only remaining effect is cancelling windups. Granted, if the universal pill is not strong enough, then you have a longer delay, as autopot quaffs another pill. That delay can be deadly, especially against a blader (matters less against an archer).

All combat is very situational. What you thought worked one time, may not work the next time. That's why I try to PvP with scarf a lot. I am not saying you're wrong, just that I have never been beaten by an icer (at or near my level) except for an ice blader. And this ice blader beat me with his blader skills, not his ice.

I really really think ice is great.... backup for pure int's not for pure str.

Ice is great physical protection, why would a pure str overcompensate for even more physical protection at the expense of doing what the pure str is already on the short end of doing (damage). And much of the protection is MP-based, something the pure str is short of.

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