Anchor Piercings

[Jstar1]

You can have plastic surgery, scars would eventually heal and not look so bad. As for the tattoo's, it's a matter of where you get them. If you work at a law firm you'd generally dress in appropriate attire being long sleeved shirt, tie, dress pants. etc. Most covering any or all tattoo's unless one is stupid enough to get a tattoo on their head.

If by his definition of not conforming is getting piercings, tattoo's and stretching his ears. It's entirely his choice, though by no means wrecks any chances of getting a high powered job as such.

Name one well known exec or respected businessperson with stretched ears and eyebrow piercings. the porn business doesnt count

You have got to be dreaming when you think walking into a job interview with flabby ears and and inflammed nose will get you a nice job. Maybe someone who works behind the scenes but corporate lawyer or sales exec? The interviewer will laugh you out the door

[Snoopy]

You seem to have bolded the wrong section. That has nothing to do with what you're asking.

Anywho.

Eyebrow, lip, & tongue - remove them when you're going for an interview.
Tattoo's - you cover them with long sleeved shirts or put some makeup stuff over them
Stretchers - you can get them stitched up if you want to permanently remove them or you can get a clear sticky tape which you put over it and it holds it. Not all stretched ears are huge.

I know many people who live here, who are high powered businessmen with stretched ears, tattoo's and piercings.

[MrTwilliger]

At my work my manager has his eyebrow pierced, 90% of people who work there have tatoos and russel ( my supervisor and the person who will run the company when my boss retires, not too far away ) has two giant leg tatoos and stretchers.

You people seem to be forgetting about one thing: ant-discrimination laws. They exist for a reason remember.

[Snoopy]

At my work my manager has his eyebrow pierced, 90% of people who work there have tatoos and russel ( my supervisor and the person who will run the company when my boss retires, not too far away ) has two giant leg tatoos and stretchers.

You people seem to be forgetting about one thing: ant-discrimination laws. They exist for a reason remember.

Not the ANT discrimination

I know what you mean.. but yeah. I was thinking anti-discrimination laws, but wasn't sure if this covered piercings and tattoo's.

[MrTwilliger]

Anti discrimination laws cover everything. You can't discriminate against someone based on appearance, gender, sexuality, race, age blah blah. Sure they can "say" you didn't get employed for another reason but without enough proof you can disprove them.

[Breed]

Anti discrimination laws cover everything. You can't discriminate against someone based on appearance, gender, sexuality, race, age blah blah. Sure they can "say" you didn't get employed for another reason but without enough proof you can disprove them.

So true, and this is why piercings have to fit in with your lifestyle.

I dont have the feeling that I have to "non-conform" with anyone. I have the desire to be different.

This is something i dont get. Since when are piercings different? Piercings use to be cool, so did the whole goth and emo scene back when i was still a kid and growing up Why? Because it was new, it was actually original and back then it meant something, it was the expression of a shared bond of music. Now days? Its gotten so bland and pathetic that is has become the new way to conform in a shallow way thats based only upon fashion, the desire to look a certain way. Colored hair, snakebites, skinny legs and a skateboard under your arm? Since when was that original? Thats all i ever see now days and it shits me. Thats half the reason i took my piercings off, because i didn't want to be generalized in that crowd.

So the majority is what you got away from.
You took your piercings out because you didnt want to be "generalised" with the larger part of the youth population?
Thats striving to be different, or refusal to move foward.
Regardless, you did it to not fit into the typical drone of everyday society, to be different.

[MrTwilliger]

It wasn't because i was trying to not conform, it was to escape the predetermined thought that come with having piercings. Being called emo, having people want to fight me, having people throw shit at me, telling me to kill myself, i got sick of being generalized as a typical "emo" and moved away from it for my own safety, i dont believe in violence so fighting back doesn't work.

[dom]

Hideous.

Nice jubblies.

[lavapockets]

Actually, the corporate world is adapting to the increasing trend of body art. Anecdote: I actually work for a law firm. It's large, national, and prestigious. I've seen more than enough people here walking around with visible tatoos and piercings to say that's a load of rubbish. I also worked for a national restaurant company's headquarters in the "government affairs" office, held both federal and state level employment, including at a Senator's office, with a nose ring. Qualifications are more than physical appearence, as long as the rest of your appearence is tasteful and dignified, no one will bother you about it.

Try that with pink hair and in ripped jeans and you can kiss your chances goodbye (obviously)

That's pretty interesting to be honest. So are you a junior, a lawyer, or are you a full fledged partner? Oh, and I heard that major law firms, recruit from the top law schools. Among the major recruiters from the domestic legal schools are top law firms such as Amarchand Mangaldas Suresh A. Shroff & Co, AZB Partners, J.Sagar & Associates, and Luthra & Luthra Law Offices? Foreign law firms that recruit from Indian law schools include the UK-based Linklaters Alliance, the Singapore-based Khattar & Wong, and others. Recruits join as junior associates and are promoted based on performance right? I also heard that Law firms often specialize in certain fields like corporate acquisitions, corporate merging, military law, maritime and admiralty, business and corporate affairs.

To be honest, it shows to be very exiting, but also very stressful. But you seem to have no trouble balancing it all out.

It's a full service corporate law firm, so banking, bankruptcy files, real estate, corporate mergers, IP, trademarks & patents, labor issues, etc. There are some lawyers who handle estates and wills (but only for the extremely wealthy).

I wouldn't know about promotions, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a conflict analyst. But yes, the law firm only recruits lawyers from top schools. Worked with a couple people going to law school in our office, and they knew full well there was no way they would practice law here. Even our youngest lawyers are in their late 30's early 40's, so the piercings don't really apply to them. I am more so talking about the paralegals, legal secretaries, analysts, and accountants, and everyone else in the firm under 30.

It is a stressful environment, working hours are long, and lawyers can be a huge pita. The pay is nice and I get a big desk. I guess it works out
(btw the full article was interesting)

[Grimjaw]

It's a full service corporate law firm, so banking, bankruptcy files, real estate, corporate mergers, IP, trademarks & patents, labor issues, etc. There are some lawyers who handle estates and wills (but only for the extremely wealthy).

I wouldn't know about promotions, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a conflict analyst. But yes, the law firm only recruits lawyers from top schools. Worked with a couple people going to law school in our office, and they knew full well there was no way they would practice law here. Even our youngest lawyers are in their late 30's early 40's, so the piercings don't really apply to them. I am more so talking about the paralegals, legal secretaries, analysts, and accountants, and everyone else in the firm under 30.

It is a stressful environment, working hours are long, and lawyers can be a huge pita. The pay is nice and I get a big desk. I guess it works out
(btw the full article was interesting)

Ah, now I understand it a bit better. Thanks for the the Hint.

I see you read the article as well. I expected as much from someone in you're position. You have a knack for getting to the heart of the matter and I can see that it's a daily affair for you.

I stumbled upon the article sometime ago and I just decided to ask if you could confirm the things I remembered. I guess memory still serves me correctly right? And thankfully I never had any need for a lawyer. But I have to say, it's pretty rare to encounter a conflict analyst on a gaming forum, so I couldn't control my curiosity by letting someone who seemed so interesting to pass by unnoticed. I hope you didn't mind me inquiring about you're job, I can assume the last thing you wanted to read here is something related to you're work.

You're right about the piercings, It would look awkward seeing an older corporate figure walking around with a ring in his nose or a tattoo coming out from underneath his sleeve or out of his collar. In my opinion, I wouldn't consider that to be the correct way of presentation if you ask me. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume people would think twice about approaching such a person. But on the other hand you clearly said that people are judged on their qualifications, attire and proper conduct. So I guess that leaves me a bit skeptical and mostly undecided. But since you claim to have a big desk, I guess it only shows you know what you are talking about, so I will take you're word for it. And you probably need to have nice pay if you want to keep on purchasing shoes all the time.
(And good job keeping you're firm nameless.)

[KillMyDeaDBoW]

That's a Bit Extreme!

[lavapockets]

But on the other hand you clearly said that people are judged on their qualifications, attire and proper conduct. So I guess that leaves me a bit skeptical and mostly undecided. But since you claim to have a big desk, I guess it only shows you know what you are talking about, so I will take you're word for it. And you probably need to have nice pay if you want to keep on purchasing shoes all the time.
(And good job keeping you're firm nameless.) [/color]

lol! Well like all things in life, it's never black and white. Different companies have different standards of appearance, what they will and won't tolerate, etc. But as more people enter the workforce with body art, they are going to have to accept it. It's like when women first started wearing pants. A lot of businesses opposed it until it got to the point where it was completely socially acceptable. Skepticism is always a good thing, imo.

Rule 1: Confidential information does not go on the internets

[Grimjaw]

lol! Well like all things in life, it's never black and white. Different companies have different standards of appearance, what they will and won't tolerate, etc. But as more people enter the workforce with body art, they are going to have to accept it. It's like when women first started wearing pants. A lot of businesses opposed it until it got to the point where it was completely socially acceptable. Skepticism is always a good thing, imo.

Rule 1: Confidential information does not go on the internets

I guess times are changing fast then.

I remember there used to be a time where skirts were seen as mere pieces of clothing, and tattoos and piercings were seen as just that. Tattoos and piercings. But if you ask me, I wouldn't sign over a multi-million dollar deal to someone who looked like he just ran out of the back from a studio where they were producing the newest Miami Vice movie. And I always believed that how higher people got on any corporate ladder, the better their overall dress code and appearance got. Especially in the corporate world it's always good to adapt to you're surroundings. Especially the higher-ups, since they represent their firm and it's name and good standing. And they meet with similair important head figures from different businesses from all over the world. So I believe it would be very silly to say "this is who we are, we dress the part, we talk the part, and we are the part, but we look like gangsters." There's nothing more important for a company then profit, so in order to keep gaining that profit you would have to dress the part, and walking into any meeting with a tattoo in you're neck or a piercing in you're nose doesn't set the right example imho.

Saying how only the employees below 30 have the tattoos and piercings sounds to be a little far fetched to me as well, and this is me suffering from skepticism again: What would happen if those same employees got promoted and were asked to front a meeting? That person would look out of place from the rest and ultimately that would reflect negatively on the company he or she works for right? Especially if that person gets the honor of being that company's spokesperson. I believe they would very quickly ask that person to get their visible tattoos removed, as well as their visible piercings. Or they will very quickly find a suitable replacement. Granted they might give that man or woman more time if he or she's a very valuable asset to the company, but it will all have to go sooner or later I believe. Now the question is, do you have any visible piercings or tattoos?



lol. confidential information? that's a work phrase. don't you mean personal information? You're off the clock now right? : >

[lavapockets]

Well let's take Microsoft as an example. I would say that's a modertately sized business of international importance, right? You know their employees, as long as they're not in important business meetings, can wear PJs to work? They can even wear shorts if they want to. Obviously, if you're in an important meeting, you take your piercings out, cover your tats, shave, wear a suit, and look presentable. It does not mean you have to look like that 100% of the time. Now, 20-30 years ago, that was not the case. If you had a tat, you covered it up at all times, not just when you're meeting with clients or higher-ups. What I'm trying to get at is that subtle difference. It is much more socially acceptable to have body art these days, and inevitably, as more and more people do, it will become neccessary for workplaces to adapt. There are obvious sectors where employers can and will be more picky, and sectors where your skills and qualifications are invaluably more important than your appearance. The way I see it, those sectors would be IT, programming, physics, engineering, architecture, R&D, design, higher ed - those are fields where if Sally and Jim can win bids, grants, etc. and make your company a lot of money because of their technical abilities or intelligence, you might not care what they look like. If you've got a business degree or you want to go into banking, government, real estate, sales, most service sector jobs, tats and piercings will probably hinder your ability. There are more paper pushers and sales people than there are industrial engineers or perl programmers, and with that very basic supply demand curve in mind, you get more leniancy in appearance.

I took my nose ring out last year unfortunately. I had a cold and I meant to have it put back in but I got busy and the hole closed up. They said they would have repierce it, and I'm super afraid of needles. But I've been with the firm for 2 years, going on three, and they had no problem with it when they hired me. It was a small diamond stud, so it's like I had a tarantula coming out of my nose.

I don't do tattoos, too permanent for me. I like to be able to adapt my look. Plus I'm scared shitless of needles. I think I covered that

No I meant confidential. Employer information is considered confidential, depending on the inquiry. You could not call my firm and verify that I am employed here without a valid law enforcement reason, or a release form signed by me.

Edit: it could just be that it's Friday, but I feel like we should be having a beer with this conversation

[Grimjaw]

Well let's take Microsoft as an example. I would say that's a moderately sized business of international importance, right? You know their employees, as long as they're not in important business meetings, can wear PJs to work? They can even wear shorts if they want to. Obviously, if you're in an important meeting, you take your piercings out, cover your tats, shave, wear a suit, and look presentable. It does not mean you have to look like that 100% of the time. Now, 20-30 years ago, that was not the case. If you had a tat, you covered it up at all times, not just when you're meeting with clients or higher-ups. What I'm trying to get at is that subtle difference. It is much more socially acceptable to have body art these days, and inevitably, as more and more people do, it will become neccessary for workplaces to adapt. There are obvious sectors where employers can and will be more picky, and sectors where your skills and qualifications are invaluably more important than your appearance. The way I see it, those sectors would be IT, programming, physics, engineering, architecture, R&D, design, higher ed - those are fields where if Sally and Jim can win bids, grants, etc. and make your company a lot of money because of their technical abilities or intelligence, you might not care what they look like. If you've got a business degree or you want to go into banking, government, real estate, sales, most service sector jobs, tats and piercings will probably hinder your ability. There are more paper pushers and sales people than there are industrial engineers or perl programmers, and with that very basic supply demand curve in mind, you get more leniancy in appearance.

I took my nose ring out last year unfortunately. I had a cold and I meant to have it put back in but I got busy and the hole closed up. They said they would have repierce it, and I'm super afraid of needles. But I've been with the firm for 2 years, going on three, and they had no problem with it when they hired me. It was a small diamond stud, so it's like I had a tarantula coming out of my nose.

I don't do tattoos, too permanent for me. I like to be able to adapt my look. Plus I'm scared shitless of needles. I think I covered that

No I meant confidential. Employer information is considered confidential, depending on the inquiry. You could not call my firm and verify that I am employed here without a valid law enforcement reason, or a release form signed by me.

Edit: it could just be that it's Friday, but I feel like we should be having a beer with this conversation

Well, make sure you bring me a couple new ones as well. The 3 you brought me earlier have all been consumed for some time now. And I didn't expect you to be the beer drinking type. Or did you post those shoes just to throw us off?

I'm well aware of these so called "subtle differences," I am a huge fan of "Abby Sciuto." Who is played by actress Pauley Perrete on the hit series: NCIS. :3

However, in my upbringing and taught understanding of the world and it's fundamentals, which includes the corporate world, the focus always remained very traditional and straightforward and as such I still have a lot of questions, but as such almost no good contentious answers. That might explain my overly present skepticism: Gosh darn it all, I really should work on that. Déjà vu anyone?

There's no decrease in current demand for such information from my end, but it's seems to be hard finding people who can sustain and share the proper information/knowledge I would be eager to learn from out of their lines of text, or by engaging in conversations with them. Anyway that's why I knowingly and deliberately confronted you. As for the rest of the points you mentioned in you're last post, I am well aware of them, I have been for all this time. But it's been really tiresome by not having a decent conversational partner with whom I could converse with on such a decent level. Even if you and I are both talking bullshit, there's always that piece of curiosity in it which invites another one to comment. As demonstrated by you're PM to me, and my PM in return back to you. And by using that "subtle difference," I have found myself an amusing conversational partner for some time now who apparently, and I will add, thankfully wasn't born yesterday.

*Attempts double peace sign.*

I took my nose ring out last year unfortunately. I had a cold and I meant to have it put back in but I got busy and the hole closed up. They said they would have repierced it, and I'm super afraid of needles. But I've been with the firm for 2 years, going on three, and they had no problem with it when they hired me. It was a small diamond stud, so it's like I had a tarantula coming out of my nose.

I hate spiders, anything with more then 4 legs doesn't deserve any existence for as for as I'm concerned. I almost got a piercing 4 years ago, in my right ear. Not in my left ear because it was the word on the "street" that it would be considered "gay." And how it made me look "uncool", and I wanted to fit in so I gave that idea up and bought some black polished shoes, then suddenly I made the blitz with all the middle aged woman.

I lean more towards tattoos then piercings though, if only tattoos weren't so permanent. But maybe that's also one of it's more alluring qualities. I know some people here who have more then 1 tattoo. But those same people also take more then 4 years to decide before they get one. If I ever get one, I will make sure it doesn't interfere with my work or presentation by keeping it concealed.

Is that so? well, then it looks like you got everything covered up pretty good. I guess I can't blame you, it's important these days with the increase of on line threats etc to keep you're personal information, and the information related to you're work to yourself.

[.curve]

I hate spiders, anything with more then 4 legs doesn't deserve any existence for as for as I'm concerned. I almost got a piercing 4 years ago, in my right ear. Not in my left ear because it was the word on the "street" that it would be considered "gay." And how it made me look "uncool", and I wanted to fit in so I gave that idea up and bought some black polished shoes, then suddenly I made the blitz with all the middle aged woman.

I lean more towards tattoos then piercings though, if only tattoos weren't so permanent. But maybe that's also one of it's more alluring qualities. I know some people here who have more then 1 tattoo. But those same people also take more then 4 years to decide before they get one. If I ever get one, I will make sure it doesn't interfere with my work or presentation by keeping it concealed.

Word on the street here is that right ear would be considered gay. I considered getting on in my left ear, but always backed out at last second.

I got a tattoo on my wrist. Easily concealable by a long sleeve shirt or a watch. I figure I'll go by the military rule. No more than 25% of the exposed skin can be covered by tattoos.

[Snoopy]

Word on the street here is that right ear would be considered gay. I considered getting on in my left ear, but always backed out at last second.

Yep. I have both my ears pierced. Though before that I had only the left ear pierced. Both ears pierced means nothing. Right = gay, left = normal

[ouifuc]

There are tons of slutty girls at my school who have anchor piercings on their lip or nose.

[lavapockets]

Well, make sure you bring me a couple new ones as well. The 3 you brought me earlier have all been consumed for some time now. And I didn't expect you to be the beer drinking type. Or did you post those shoes just to throw us off?

I've got mad skills, I can drink beer and wear the shoes at the same time. My only stipulation is that the beer has to be decent. I don't drink anything that isn't a micro brew or an import. My current favorites are Hitochino Nest, Chambly Noir, the Rogue with the old lady on the bottle. Delish.

However, in my upbringing and taught understanding of the world and it's fundamentals, which includes the corporate world, the focus always remained very traditional and straightforward and as such I still have a lot of questions, but as such almost no good contentious answers. That might explain my overly present skepticism: Gosh darn it all, I really should work on that. Déjà vu anyone?

It's cool I'm pretty ghetto, I'll learn you some things.

I hate spiders, anything with more then 4 legs doesn't deserve any existence for as for as I'm concerned. I almost got a piercing 4 years ago, in my right ear. Not in my left ear because it was the word on the "street" that it would be considered "gay." And how it made me look "uncool", and I wanted to fit in so I gave that idea up and bought some black polished shoes, then suddenly I made the blitz with all the middle aged woman.

Oh wow. I don't even know what to say to this one. Maybe back in the day having two made you gay, but we're kind of over the 80's. Accept the fashion, which apparently wants to make a comeback like nobody's business. I've seen some chicks running around in clothes I swear I wore when I was younger. Scary really.

A couple years ago I was a background investigator, and I found out tons of info on people using Google and some common sense. It made me fear the internet. BTW I love our little side conversations down here.