Official Rogue Subclass Discussion

[raphaell666]

Well, I am gonna be Cleric. Warlock dies too easily.

I was about to disagree but well... Just remember to use a character that you like.

[KillerOrca]

I already lvled up cleric but just out of curiosity how does a warlock actually tank?

[raphaell666]

I never said that a warlock can tank. You said that warlocks die way too easily, and I disagreed with that. You don't need "rough" defense (magical and physical defense) to be able to survive. For survival, most of the time disabling your enemy is way better than "rough" defense, and a pro warlock is pro at disabling and even controlling your enemy. If you can control your enemy, you don't need to heal either. Anyhow only people who know how to use their warlock can actually "control" their enemies.

[KillerOrca]

And is it possible to control your enemy when only a few skills work against clerics?

[raphaell666]

And is it possible to control your enemy when only a few skills work against clerics?

Possible it is, but way harder than if it was against someone who is not a cleric. If it's at least a good cleric you'd be fighting against, it'd certainly be a somewhat tough fight, but still it'd be nowhere near impossible, as long as you know what you are doing. Any warlock can fight people with holy word/spell, that's a fact. Just ask any good warlock if you don't believe me.

In the end, in a fight between a cleric and a warlock, I'm almost sure that the winner would be the one with better skills (if both suck, the cleric is more likely to win imo).

[pyro93]

Erm... This is SO confusing? can't they be equally good lol.. anyways

If I go cleric do I wear a robe or a protector? and with a bard robe or protector?

[raphaell666]

If I go cleric do I wear a robe or a protector? and with a bard robe or protector?

For cleric, probably the best option would be protector for the cleric rod passives
(which enable you to tank with cleric rod + shield and healing). If you intend on rapidly changing weapons and healing, then you could go for robes so you'll consume less MP.

If bard then go robe as you are a pure STR and your bigger need is magical defense, not physical defense. With garment you also have awesome speed with bard speed buffs + garment.

[pyro93]

If I go cleric do I wear a robe or a protector? and with a bard robe or protector?

For cleric, probably the best option would be protector for the cleric rod passives
(which enable you to tank with cleric rod + shield and healing). If you intend on rapidly changing weapons and healing, then you could go for robes so you'll consume less MP.

If bard then go robe as you are a pure STR and your bigger need is magical defense, not physical defense. With garment you also have awesome speed with bard speed buffs + garment.

Ah K =)...
Where can I find a pros and cons of bard and cleric sub? all in one post.

[raphaell666]

Where can I find a pros and cons of bard and cleric sub? all in one post.

• Rogue/Bard
  Excellent moving speed, will rarely get hit at PvE because of the "Noise" skill which makes aggressive mobs ignore you (only champions and giants will actively attack you, others will attack only if you attack them first). You probably will not be using MP potions at all, because you'll be able to 'heal' your MP with the "Mana Cycle" skill. You can also act as a bard and buff your entire party with speed and tambours, but then you wouldn't be able to attack.
  
• Rogue/Cleric
  Slow moving, good survivability. Not so good at PvE because it lacks moving speed and Noise. This one can heal and resurrect though. Better at 1vs1 pvping than rogue/bard. Can cast awesome defensive buffs (for you and your party). Will save HP pots because of it's healing skills.

Summarizing:

Bard = Speed; Cleric = Survivability.

Good enough?

[pyro93]

Where can I find a pros and cons of bard and cleric sub? all in one post.

• Rogue/Bard
  Excellent moving speed, will rarely get hit at PvE because of the "Noise" skill which makes aggressive mobs ignore you (only champions and giants will actively attack you, others will attack only if you attack them first). You probably will not be using MP potions at all, because you'll be able to 'heal' your MP with the "Mana Cycle" skill. You can also act as a bard and buff your entire party with speed and tambours, but then you wouldn't be able to attack.
  
• Rogue/Cleric
  Slow moving, good survivability. Not so good at PvE because it lacks moving speed and Noise. This one can heal and resurrect though. Better at 1vs1 pvping than rogue/bard. Can cast awesome defensive buffs (for you and your party). Will save HP pots because of it's healing skills.

Summarizing:

Bard = Speed; Cleric = Survivability.

Good enough?

Where can I find a pros and cons of bard and cleric sub? all in one post.

• Rogue/Bard
  Excellent moving speed, will rarely get hit at PvE because of the "Noise" skill which makes aggressive mobs ignore you (only champions and giants will actively attack you, others will attack only if you attack them first). You probably will not be using MP potions at all, because you'll be able to 'heal' your MP with the "Mana Cycle" skill. You can also act as a bard and buff your entire party with speed and tambours, but then you wouldn't be able to attack.
  
• Rogue/Cleric
  Slow moving, good survivability. Not so good at PvE because it lacks moving speed and Noise. This one can heal and resurrect though. Better at 1vs1 pvping than rogue/bard. Can cast awesome defensive buffs (for you and your party). Will save HP pots because of it's healing skills.

Summarizing:

Bard = Speed; Cleric = Survivability.

Good enough?

That's great! =D Thanks so much <3
and the bard is for me I hate when multiple mobs attacks me =x
thanks a bunch

[TeamLosi]

I'm in a bit of a situation...

I've got a lvl 90 rogue, FF in xbow dags at like 88 so almost FF farmed. I'm sub cleric at lvl 82 with recov dev. 8...i like cleric but since the new cave is coming out what do you think is better? Bard for speed and noise so i wont have a bunch of mobs attacking me or cleric to be able to have a 4sec pot delay instead of 15. I've kinda started the switch to bard but i die everyonce in a while if i get a party mob on which is really annoying. When i had cleric up to 82 it took 2 mobs on me to die. So what do yall think?

[iscared]

I'm in a bit of a situation...

I've got a lvl 90 rogue, FF in xbow dags at like 88 so almost FF farmed. I'm sub cleric at lvl 82 with recov dev. 8...i like cleric but since the new cave is coming out what do you think is better? Bard for speed and noise so i wont have a bunch of mobs attacking me or cleric to be able to have a 4sec pot delay instead of 15. I've kinda started the switch to bard but i die everyonce in a while if i get a party mob on which is really annoying. When i had cleric up to 82 it took 2 mobs on me to die. So what do yall think?

bard.

im level 32 atm and man im a beast I can 1 hit sungs and I have noobie npc items on XD

[Kori0129]

I'm in a bit of a situation...

I've got a lvl 90 rogue, FF in xbow dags at like 88 so almost FF farmed. I'm sub cleric at lvl 82 with recov dev. 8...i like cleric but since the new cave is coming out what do you think is better? Bard for speed and noise so i wont have a bunch of mobs attacking me or cleric to be able to have a 4sec pot delay instead of 15. I've kinda started the switch to bard but i die everyonce in a while if i get a party mob on which is really annoying. When i had cleric up to 82 it took 2 mobs on me to die. So what do yall think?

Definetelly stay cleric. In caves you cannot evade being attacked by multiple mobs. As a rogue/bard you will be attacked by only giants and champions, but without rec divison and bless spell you will definetelly die to 2+ monsters(happens to much times in caves)
As a rogue/cleric you will be attacked by everything, but you will be able to survive, which is very important at the time where 2%xp means 1/2 hours of grind. + You are better in pvp +you are already have a cleric sub anyways. Why should spend money or lose 20% sp ?

[diCe]

its kinda unfair that even on +90 , when u die u lose 2% exp

[raphaell666]

its kinda unfair that even on +90 , when u die u lose 2% exp

Hum, you lose less % exp the higher your level is as far as I know.

[Intentions]

its kinda unfair that even on +90 , when u die u lose 2% exp

Hum, you lose less % exp the higher your level is as far as I know.

yea at lvl 78 i lose about .16%.

[Bobby]

its kinda unfair that even on +90 , when u die u lose 2% exp

Hum, you lose less % exp the higher your level is as far as I know.

yea at lvl 78 i lose about .16%.

whoa serious? i lose like .70%

[Intentions]

Hum, you lose less % exp the higher your level is as far as I know.[/quote]
yea at lvl 78 i lose about .16%.[/quote]

whoa serious? i lose like .70%[/quote]
not 100% sure but i know its not alot to complain over

[TeamLosi]

Went Bard and loving it...lvl 92 FF in Rogue and Bard ^_^ Dont die at all hardly...and i still rape in pvp

Oh and i went Robes for extra speed and b/c of mag mobs in caves...no regrets yet 120% speed is sweet

[foudre]

Where can I find a pros and cons of bard and cleric sub? all in one post.

[list][*]Rogue/Bard
Excellent moving speed, will rarely get hit at PvE because of the "Noise" skill which makes aggressive mobs ignore you (only champions and giants will actively attack you, others will attack only if you attack them first). You probably will not be using MP potions at all, because you'll be able to 'heal' your MP with the "Mana Cycle" skill. You can also act as a bard and buff your entire party with speed and tambours, but then you wouldn't be able to attack.

though yes you could mana cycle your mp, with any str sub bard this isn't 100% practical, the mp cost of mana cycle is quite high and to do this you'd have to keep using it almost as soon as it runs out, not only the weapon switching you'd loose crossbow extreme, which you really want on except for when you need to tank a giant, its just not pracitcal to do.

An int sub bard can get away with it a bit better, only wiz/ sub bard is this practical you get mp to last you for a good while longer then an str, and you don't have a weapon and sheild to put back on just a weapon which won't lag up or fail to switch after mana cycle.

Don't get me wrong i prefer sub bard for rogue because i love speed and noise. Noise is also good for jobbing, as a trader you can save on kits and go right thru agro areas. The discord wave is good to lure mobs onto a trader if you're trying to kill a 1 star/ kill plvls. And noise lets you drop back into stealth very quickly even in aggro areas that would be hard in normally.