should women be required to register with selective service

[Disconn3cted]

i believe that at this point in history it is unfair that women do not need to register for this..women go to school, get financial aid, can (and probably will) win presendial elections, and can vote since they are given the same freedoms i think they should also have to pay the price that comes with it

what do you think on this subject?

[XuChu]

That's just going to drop the discipline to hell

[Tasdik]

Okay so what is "selective service"?
*feels dumb*

[XemnasXD]

they're got legs and arms i don't see why they couldn't be fighting...

[XuChu]

they're got legs and arms i don't see why they couldn't be fighting...

The boys will be all over them thats why, you'll hear stories of rape, sexual harassment etc. It will throw discipline out completely, people will skip duties to do talk to some girl.

[Disconn3cted]

Okay so what is "selective service"?
*feels dumb*

its basically the draft..every male in the USA 18-25(including non-citizens and illegals) must register with the selective serive or you will get a fine up to $250,000 or 5 years in jail

keep in mind it hasn't been used since 1973 and is only used in emergencies i doubt iraq would get this bad

[Tasdik]

Oh alright...thanks

[XuChu]

Fortunate son

[XemnasXD]

they're got legs and arms i don't see why they couldn't be fighting...

The boys will be all over them thats why, you'll hear stories of rape, sexual harassment etc. It will throw discipline out completely, people will skip duties to do talk to some girl.

you already hear stories like that its not a big deal and the army takes them very seriously in most cases. You want to keep women out because guys won't be able to control there hormones what kind of BS is that. Thats like saying you can't have female police officers because no one will respect them or females make the best secretaries because they're the greatest eye candy. Its a backward chauvinistic point of view especially when women are just as capable as men when it comes to shooting a target....

You can't keep women down because men are idiots you tell they guys to grow the f*ck up or they'll spend a nice portion of there time in prison...

[Itonami]

Really? I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing. I highly doubt MrFudge is registered, I KNOW my brother isnt registered (he's 18), my friends over 18 aren't according to what they've said on msn.

Wth

Women aren't allowed into combat when sent off to war. They therefore shouldn't be required to register.

[Disconn3cted]

Really? I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing. I highly doubt MrFudge is registered, I KNOW my brother isnt registered (he's 18), my friends over 18 aren't according to what they've said on msn.

Wth

Women aren't allowed into combat when sent off to war. They therefore shouldn't be required to register.

you have 30 days after you turn 18 to register usually when you sign up for financial aid they ask about selective service and if you are not registered they turn you down, also the government will sent letters to your house reminding you to register over and over again if you didn't

[XuChu]

you already hear stories like that its not a big deal and the army takes them very seriously in most cases. You want to keep women out because guys won't be able to control there hormones what kind of BS is that. Thats like saying you can't have female police officers because no one will respect them or females make the best secretaries because they're the greatest eye candy. Its a backward chauvinistic point of view especially when women are just as capable as men when it comes to shooting a target....

You can't keep women down because men are idiots you tell they guys to grow the f*ck up or they'll spend a nice portion of there time in prison...

Even if rarely, just the stories have great negative impact between the unity, will and morale of the troops (Not mentioning selective service
is conscription not volunteering) which can have devastating effects.

Police officers are totally different story, because it is volunteered and it is much easier to keep an eye on these things than the army.

Women work fine in the army as officers though.

[Reise]

I registered, and yeah everyone who is physically able should.

And XuChu there are already women working in each branch of the military doing various things, I highly doubt it's that serious. It's not like they share the same beds or anything.

[Itonami]

Really? I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing. I highly doubt MrFudge is registered, I KNOW my brother isnt registered (he's 18), my friends over 18 aren't according to what they've said on msn.

Wth

Women aren't allowed into combat when sent off to war. They therefore shouldn't be required to register.

you have 30 days after you turn 18 to register usually when you sign up for financial aid they ask about selective service and if you are not registered they turn you down, also the government will sent letters to your house reminding you to register over and over again if you didn't

Weird. My brother's almost 19 and he's in college, with financial aid. >_>

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14869648

Pentagon rules dictate that women may not be assigned to ground combat units. That means they are not allowed to serve in the infantry or as special operations commandos.

Women = shouldn't be in combat. I'm a girl and I'm saying hell no to women registering for the draft, and to women fighting. That whole 'never leave blabla behind' thing- you really think a woman's going to carry a 200lb 6'7'' guy who's wounded, to safety? Unless they're built like the hulk, that's highly unlikely to happen.
Also- whether you register to defend your country or not should be purely choice for men AND women.

Xenmas has a good point though. You hear about sexual assault cases within military academies, I don't want to know what shit would happen if a woman was part of the infantry.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to register.

[XuChu]

I registered, and yeah everyone who is physically able should.

And XuChu there are already women working in each branch of the military doing various things, I highly doubt it's that serious. It's not like they share the same beds or anything.

Yeah because it's volunteered, but this sort of stuff really varies in every country. But IMO it's almost like how co-ed schools generally do worse in comparison to single sex.

[XemnasXD]

you already hear stories like that its not a big deal and the army takes them very seriously in most cases. You want to keep women out because guys won't be able to control there hormones what kind of BS is that. Thats like saying you can't have female police officers because no one will respect them or females make the best secretaries because they're the greatest eye candy. Its a backward chauvinistic point of view especially when women are just as capable as men when it comes to shooting a target....

You can't keep women down because men are idiots you tell they guys to grow the f*ck up or they'll spend a nice portion of there time in prison...

Even if rarely, just the stories have great negative impact between the unity, will and morale of the troops (Not mentioning selective service
is conscription not volunteering) which can have devastating effects.

Police officers are totally different story, because it is volunteered and it is much easier to keep an eye on these things than the army.

Women work fine in the army as officers though.

If some douche in my unit got court-martialed because he tried to rape some chick how would that affect my morale....maybe its because i have respect for women seeing as my mom raised 3 kids on her own but i wouldn't feel sympathetic with the rapist in that kind of situation. Also if i saw some guy repeated make passes at a girl whose clearly not interested i'd report him myself, unnecessary drama.

Keep in mind all this drama would be caused by men not having self control complete with ppl like you who will probably say "He couldn't help it, he's a guy and boys will be boys" as if thats an excuse for anything. Your basically saying any women entering the army is "asking for it" not all guys are douchebags and call me optimistic but i i don't think the majority of guys on this forum would rape a women just cause she was there...or rape at all....

[Reise]

Joining the military is still choice for everybody, there's just some things you have to do as a citizen of the US. Signing up for Selective Service is one of them.

There's a lot of countries elsewhere that require a few years of military service once you're old enough. Just consider yourself lucky lol.

[Disconn3cted]

Also- whether you register to defend your country or not should be purely choice for men AND women.

i agree with that but if something like this must happen then i think its unfair not to make women register for it when they are given the same rights

keep in mind this is for emergencies like world war III or we get attacked

[XuChu]

If some douche in my unit got court-martialed because he tried to rape some chick how would that affect my morale....maybe its because i have respect for women seeing as my mom raised 3 kids on her own but i wouldn't feel sympathetic with the rapist in that kind of situation. Also if i saw some guy repeated make passes at a girl whose clearly not interested i'd report him myself, unnecessary drama.

Keep in mind all this drama would be caused by men not having self control complete with ppl like you who will probably say "He couldn't help it, he's a guy and boys will be boys" as if thats an excuse for anything. Your basically saying any women entering the army is "asking for it" not all guys are douchebags and call me optimistic but i i don't think the majority of guys on this forum would rape a women just cause she was there...or rape at all....

Not you, but other girls will feel differently and under conscription the girls will take a significant number. People also change under battle stress.

[fena]

I disagree with women having to register with selective services, but for different reasons than what you stated, XuChu.
Call me old-fashioned, but I just don't like the idea of girls on the battlefield - atleast not the traditional image of the girl. Nono, I'm not sexist, but like Ito pointed out, I highly doubt that there are many girls that have the same physical capabilities of men without being just as ripped as them. And it's not that I don't want them fighting in war because I don't think they're physically capable, but it's that... I just don't like the entire idea of women fighting. If they want to help our country, there are so many other things that they could do instead of picking up a rifle and running through shooting and getting shot at.
To me, there's just a psychological difference in the way that I think. If my buddy got killed in war, bloody and dirty, it would hurt. If my buddy was a girl, and she got killed, bloody and dirty, I'd feel like something was wrong with the world.

Don't label me as sexist. To me, there's just a big difference from girls and women being CEOs and prime ministers, to picking up a gun and killing others, in the defense of their country. They just shouldn't do that, in my eyes. Leave it to the men - and not in a "macho" way, or a "women can't handle the stress of a battlefield, only men can" kind of way. More of a - "it'd break my heart to see a girl get shot" kind of way, no matter how tough she was; I don't think I could ever picture my girlfriend fighting in the army. I shudder to think what my emotions would be if she did end up fighting, and she got blown up in some sort of roadside bomb.

[XemnasXD]

If some douche in my unit got court-martialed because he tried to rape some chick how would that affect my morale....maybe its because i have respect for women seeing as my mom raised 3 kids on her own but i wouldn't feel sympathetic with the rapist in that kind of situation. Also if i saw some guy repeated make passes at a girl whose clearly not interested i'd report him myself, unnecessary drama.

Keep in mind all this drama would be caused by men not having self control complete with ppl like you who will probably say "He couldn't help it, he's a guy and boys will be boys" as if thats an excuse for anything. Your basically saying any women entering the army is "asking for it" not all guys are douchebags and call me optimistic but i i don't think the majority of guys on this forum would rape a women just cause she was there...or rape at all....

Not you, but other girls will feel differently and under conscription the girls will take a significant number. People also change under battle stress.

so your saying its possible for you to turn to rape if you feel stressed out enough....

i could never rape a chick..... i trust myself not to become something im not no matter what situation and i'd like think im capable of alot of terrible things, rape not one of them....unless it was a guy....maybe.....nah......

[XuChu]

so your saying its possible for you to turn to rape if you feel stressed out enough....

i could never rape a chick..... i trust myself not to become something im not no matter what situation and i'd like think im capable of alot of terrible things, rape not one of them....unless it was a guy....maybe.....nah......

The straightest guys rape other men after a year in prison. Violent environments have very strong effects on a person.

To a soldier everyday could be his last day, don't tell me you would never think about malicious things if a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow.

[XemnasXD]

so your saying its possible for you to turn to rape if you feel stressed out enough....

i could never rape a chick..... i trust myself not to become something im not no matter what situation and i'd like think im capable of alot of terrible things, rape not one of them....unless it was a guy....maybe.....nah......

The straightest guys rape other men after a year in prison. Violent environments have very strong effects on a person.

To a soldier everyday could be his last day, don't tell me you would never think about malicious things if a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow.

Rape is not an act of sex its an act of domination and control. Prisoners rape as a form on expressing dominance and control and if they happen to cum in to the process all the better but its the submission from the victim that makes the whole process a part of the prison system....

The military is not a prison. I can't think of any situation where that form of control and dominance would be necessary even if the troops are under alot of stress....can you?

[shoto]

yeah why not...

I mean with equal rights comes equal responsibilities.

I mean there is this tradition though of children and women first ( as far as safety is concerned)...since women are seen, historically, as nurturers. But that is changing and so should tradition.

[Morgoth]

well, the thousands of years of cultural tradition of men going off to fight while women stay at home doing domestic tasks isn't likely to get such a radical change, i mean yes women can enlist if they can but i dont think it should be mandatory(not yet anyways)

[XuChu]

Rape is not an act of sex its an act of domination and control. Prisoners rape as a form on expressing dominance and control and if they happen to cum in to the process all the better but its the submission from the victim that makes the whole process a part of the prison system....

The military is not a prison. I can't think of any situation where that form of control and dominance would be necessary even if the troops are under alot of stress....can you?

Military is not prison but war is worse than prison, soldiers traditionally did not have female in the army with them so they went to civilians.
Rape of Nanjing, Soviet Troops in Berlin, American troops also left a lot of pregnant women in Vietnam but many of those aren't wholly rape, but awhile ago a group of soldiers in Iraq raped and killed a girl and her family.
It is not pure control and dominance, as seen in Vietnam with American soldiers almost prostituting local population.

[Cruor]

Who's going to build the tanks and raise the babies then?

[XemnasXD]

Rape is not an act of sex its an act of domination and control. Prisoners rape as a form on expressing dominance and control and if they happen to cum in to the process all the better but its the submission from the victim that makes the whole process a part of the prison system....

The military is not a prison. I can't think of any situation where that form of control and dominance would be necessary even if the troops are under alot of stress....can you?

Military is not prison but war is worse than prison, soldiers traditionally did not have female in the army with them so they went to civilians.
Rape of Nanjing, Soviet Troops in Berlin, American troops also left a lot of pregnant women in Vietnam but many of those aren't wholly rape, but awhile ago a group of soldiers in Iraq raped and killed a girl and her family.
It is not pure control and dominance, as seen in Vietnam with American soldiers almost prostituting local population.

believe me if its rape its about control or exerting a feeling of power and dominance....if they wanted sex find a prostitute, no prostitutes then jerk-off im sure im not the only guy whose gone over a partners house expecting to get lucky and leaving with blue balls...i didn't turn around and rape em....

Solider occupying areas will have feeling of superiority and normally demand respect from local populace often times expecting the people to go through degrading acts just to show them whose in charge rape is one of those acts but theres alot worse.

Thats completely different than comrades, your own men and women who you fight side by side with. Like i said before i can't think of any situation where a right minded soldier would think he needs to show a girl whose in charge so badly he'd rape her. Im not saying its impossible it just won't be nearly as rampant as you make it sound like it will. And if it does happen the solider can and should expect harsh punishment to follow.

Yes war can eff with peoples minds and yes you can end up doing things you'd never thought you'd do but that doesn't mean men become monsters. I'll ask you, if you were pinned down by the enemy or lost with your unit and feeling randy would you rape the only female soldier there just because....a person who would let it go that far probably has issues from the start...

[toastedsock]

First of all I am registered for the selective service but I don't believe in the draft.(Don't get all hurt draft supporters, just my beliefs.)

Second, now don't call me sexist, I believe that women should have to register if they want the same rights as men. This kind of double standard of opening doors for women, etc. and them having the same rights as men, but them not having to register for the selective service and other things that come with the full rights of a US citizen seems like BS to me.
I'm not saying that women shouldn't have the same rights as men, I think Universal Suffrage is a good thing, but I think it's stupid that they don't have the same responsibilities that we have. Claiming that they're the weaker sex, wouldn't work well in the army, etc. is sexist BS. Women are undoubtedly not as physically strong as men, however, the army isn't just about running through the desert with a 200 lb backpack. There are plenty of jobs that don't require above average physical ability and there are already women in the army so it is obvious that there is room for them.

For me it is really an issue of equality, I don't see why I should have to sign up to get shot but just because of their gender women don't have to. If anything saying that women shouldn't or can't be successful in the army is sexist because it limits their abilities based off of something that they have no control over, their gender.

And if it comes down to the issue of "I don't want my girlfriend to get shot" or in the woman's perspective "I don't want to get shot, I'm a woman" do you think that the wives of the soldier in Iraq want their husbands to get shot or do you think that I wanna get shipped off to Iraq and get shot......no.

[XuChu]

believe me if its rape its about control or exerting a feeling of power and dominance....if they wanted sex find a prostitute, no prostitutes then jerk-off im sure im not the only guy whose gone over a partners house expecting to get lucky and leaving with blue balls...i didn't turn around and rape em....

Solider occupying areas will have feeling of superiority and normally demand respect from local populace often times expecting the people to go through degrading acts just to show them whose in charge rape is one of those acts but theres alot worse.

Thats completely different than comrades, your own men and women who you fight side by side with. Like i said before i can't think of any situation where a right minded soldier would think he needs to show a girl whose in charge so badly he'd rape her. Im not saying its impossible it just won't be nearly as rampant as you make it sound like it will. And if it does happen the solider can and should expect harsh punishment to follow.

Yes war can eff with peoples minds and yes you can end up doing things you'd never thought you'd do but that doesn't mean men become monsters. I'll ask you, if you were pinned down by the enemy or lost with your unit and feeling randy would you rape the only female soldier there just because....a person who would let it go that far probably has issues from the start...

I never said it would be in masses, but instead even one or two rapes will have devastating effects. Do not remember to check your doors and windows are shut every night before you sleep when a neighbour just got murdered at night? Remember these women are conscripted, they did not volunteer. They arrive to unwillingly 'serve their country' and 1 guy raped another girl. If you were a girl you would feel completely trusting to these men? War raping is often not a one-man thing either.

But I can see where you're coming from with the dominance thing however I do not believe that is the case for many of them, just Vietnam for example the thousands of fatherless accidental children left by their American fathers I do not see how it can be a dominance thing.