Half A Change What Would You Choose

[RogueKiller]

Player bots...they think they are hot sh*t on aege cause they usually stop by their comp to pvp and kill people non stop and then they go back to botting. gold bots are annoying however they arent people with annoying attitudes that make a union of it(active but no one there).


Wouldnt be surprised if people started botting in pvp zones cause their too tired of killing low lvls nonstop.

[_Angels]

YEAAA *swings with sun arrow* GOLDBOTS BEGONE
they are almost double of player bots so anoying and waaah D:
just make them disapear =o!

[Fadex]

playerbots cuz if theyre gone, no-one will but gold so the goldbots wud leave anywya

[Balrog]

I do not want to start flaming, but what is the difference between gold and player bots. Both use the same software .

It is like you want to decrease the polution caused by cars, so you stop the ones running on diesel but you leave the ones running on gasoline.

Sorry but the question is conceptually wrong.

[Alterran]

quote="tyfly"]Either one wouldn't matter. Lets say JoyMax bans gold bots, the servers are populated for a couple of weeks and than become rammed again. Or they ban player bots, they have charges backs lose alot of money maybe even lose there contract with paypal (Game goes under). Than these players start new accounts bot 24/7 clogging traffic even more re-buy there gold, making the gold companies have more gold bots out etc. either way isn't a solution they need to find a way to once and for all block botting. Meh theres been countless number of these threads and yet most people on these forums are closet botters, and its been proven that JoyMax can't really ban player bots b/c of charge backs.[/quote

actualy all jm would have to do to fix this would be alter the client and not allow any unauthorized access like the bots use

[Da_Realest]

Player bots. They are usually the players that create the most demand for gold bots. Banning player bots won't remove gold bots, but it should lessen the demand for gold to an extent.

Player bots are the reason why its hard to level up in Takla. The exp rate doesn't suddenly drop at xx level, you encounter cramp grinding areas with nothing but player bots.

Besides, its not like you can permanently keep gold bots away. They'll continue to create accounts and make gold no matter what level they reach before they are banned. Sure players bots can do the same, but if they keep having to spend XXX USD on a sun set and gold, I doubt they will continue to play. Also, about 90% of all suns are probably owned by player bots. Banning them now that sun rate is at a reasonable level can significantly change the way the game is played on older servers. Both in the legit vs bots war and PvP in general.

[PR0METHEUS]

I do not want to start flaming, but what is the difference between gold and player bots. Both use the same software .

It is like you want to decrease the polution caused by cars, so you stop the ones running on diesel but you leave the ones running on gasoline.

Sorry but the question is conceptually wrong.

That is a good point. From a technical standpoint, a bot is a bot. So ban them all.

There are things Joymax could implement if they wanted to. They could change the client in some small way at each inspection, requiring a minimal download through the patcher. If you don't have the patch, you fail.

Microsoft at least tries to verify the authenticity of a Windows installation through their genuine advantage thing. At least it's something. Joymax could do something similar, or at least turn on Gameguard and not just give us a splash screen.

[Alterran]

i meant this topic to be just a simple question and given simple answer
but it appears ppl r heated about this -.- my original post states choose 1 not both just 1 and i didnt mean a ban i mean a client mod one where goldbots or players bots would not be able to use that program here anymore no bans just no bots

[PR0METHEUS]

i meant this topic to be just a simple question and given simple answer
but it appears ppl r heated about this -.- my original post states choose 1 not both just 1 and i didnt mean a ban i mean a client mod one where goldbots or players bots would not be able to use that program here anymore no bans just no bots

It's an interesting question just to see what people's preferences are between the two types of bots, but in reality, you can't really just block one type of bot or the other.

Besides, Joymax claimed to do this a while ago. They claimed that they fixed the client so that no one would be able to log on with a modified client, that you'd have to download and install a fresh client in order to play.

Yeah... that worked.

[Alterran]

well actualy they can gold bots use clientless bots which send out a certain packet that client bots dont they could make it the second they recieve one of thoes packets that the person gets d/c simple as that

[borat2]

Player bots. They are usually the players that create the most demand for gold bots. Banning player bots won't remove gold bots, but it should lessen the demand for gold to an extent.

Player bots are the reason why its hard to level up in Takla. The exp rate doesn't suddenly drop at xx level, you encounter cramp grinding areas with nothing but player bots.

Besides, its not like you can permanently keep gold bots away. They'll continue to create accounts and make gold no matter what level they reach before they are banned. Sure players bots can do the same, but if they keep having to spend XXX USD on a sun set and gold, I doubt they will continue to play. Also, about 90% of all suns are probably owned by player bots. Banning them now that sun rate is at a reasonable level can significantly change the way the game is played on older servers. Both in the legit vs bots war and PvP in general.

player bots have more gold due to their grinding time.
most botters multi client giving them even more chance for drops.

what if it was possible to ban goldbots and stop them from creating new accounts would that change your mind?
with a good party you can easily keep up with botters but no matter how much you will stall, you will never have that much gold as goldbuyers.

@Alterran
clientless bot have made it even easier they used to have same waypoints as the normal bots but now they have their own waypoints making it even easier to notice the difference.
if Joymax really wanted they would, but why would you ban something that basically creates even more money for you (premium)

[Alterran]

yea i wish another company would buy isro mabye ijji or blizzard would be good ijji bans bots like crazy in other games but isnt really there for support but blizzard does all of it

[Da_Realest]

player bots have more gold due to their grinding time.
most botters multi client giving them even more chance for drops.

Maybe that is true at lower levels but not near cap. The drop rate is practically non existent. If a player is buying X-large MP and HP pots when they go out to grind, they're barely making any gold at all. Some builds may even be losing gold. Since the new thing for botters to do seems to be party botting, they are probably using even more pots than someone who grinds solo.

what if it was possible to ban goldbots and stop them from creating new accounts would that change your mind?
with a good party you can easily keep up with botters but no matter how much you will stall, you will never have that much gold as goldbuyers.

Thats the problem. There will never be a permanent solution to the gold bot problem. Besides, what the point of getting in game just die to sun botting tools in cape, wars, and jobs? Want to grind? Sure you can grind now at lower levels now that the gold bots are gone, but once you reach the Takla region your journey will be slowed or completely halted altogether because of player bots.

Unless they're using a cracked version of the bot, there is a high chance that if they're botting, they're also buying gold. Player bots create a demand for gold so there will always be gold bots. I'm pretty sure that is why Niya Remains has very few gold bots. No point in pissing off your customers by ksing their bots.

The new thing now is party botting. Sure they won't be able to grind as fast as a legit party that is killing mobs 8+ levels higher than them, but they won't be too far behind. Also I'm pretty sure if the bot makers wanted to or had to, they could design a bot that could effectively party grind on red mobs.

[PR0METHEUS]

well actualy they can gold bots use clientless bots which send out a certain packet that client bots dont they could make it the second they recieve one of thoes packets that the person gets d/c simple as that

I doubt clientless bots send out a different packet than the normal client does. The bot software should perform in the same way as the real client, but just not process actual graphical commands.

Then again, I've never seen the source code for a bot, and have never analyzed network traffic from a bot either since I've never even had access to the software.

[_Scarlett_]

permanent solution to getting rid of gold bots = people stop buying gold. But we all know that'll never happen, so we're doomed to be hounded by the legions upon legions of gold bots.

But if I were to choose, it'll be the gold bots...they far out number the amount of player bots.

[PR0METHEUS]

permanent solution to getting rid of gold bots = people stop buying gold. But we all know that'll never happen, so we're doomed to be hounded by the legions upon legions of gold bots.

Here's an alternative, also something that will NEVER happen... Delete all gold in all servers, don't drop any gold from mobs or quest rewards. Make it so gold doesn't exist. Everything would be done through trade. Are you done with that +8 glaive? Trade it to someone that needs it. Got a good sword drop but you're a blader? Give it away.

If everyone did that, free exchange of unneeded things, there'd be no need for gold. Program the NPCs to accept goods for trade. Give them an old rusty spear for some pots.

Again, never going to happen. If I remember correctly, the Star Trek universe (at least the Federation) completely did away with money.

[_Shinigami_]

Gold Bots

there are just so many of them
its horrible and mostly the cause of crowded servers

[Skyve]

Player Bots arnt really pissing me off cuz they get lv.80 before everyone,I lvl up at my own time...but more cuz they made the server a booty jam traffic -_-

[ShadowReaver]

Low lvls will say ban the goldbots cause they are controlling almost most lvls of mobs from 20 to 54(until penons). high lvls will say ban the player bots cause they control takla..
all in all, they should both be banned, for the good of all players.

[tedtwilliger]

permanent solution to getting rid of gold bots = people stop buying gold. But we all know that'll never happen, so we're doomed to be hounded by the legions upon legions of gold bots.

Here's an alternative, also something that will NEVER happen... Delete all gold in all servers, don't drop any gold from mobs or quest rewards. Make it so gold doesn't exist. Everything would be done through trade. Are you done with that +8 glaive? Trade it to someone that needs it. Got a good sword drop but you're a blader? Give it away.

If everyone did that, free exchange of unneeded things, there'd be no need for gold. Program the NPCs to accept goods for trade. Give them an old rusty spear for some pots.

Again, never going to happen. If I remember correctly, the Star Trek universe (at least the Federation) completely did away with money.

But then we would have "farming bots". Sure they wouldn't farm gold, but they would be programmed to farm for items. They would then set up their "trading sites", in which you would trade your 1 piece of straw + $30 US for their sun + 9 sword or w/e. Since they are a set up official company there wouldn't be any fear of being ripped off or else legal issues could be pressed.

Either way people would still be botting if not for gold than just for the items.

But to be honest that type of system actually sounds more fun than that of what we have now. I would love a full on trading system to replace gold, ive always preferred bartering as opposed to gold. Sure theres a few things that would need tweaking but i love the idea.

[PR0METHEUS]

But then we would have "farming bots". Sure they wouldn't farm gold, but they would be programmed to farm for items. They would then set up their "trading sites", in which you would trade your 1 piece of straw + $30 US for their sun + 9 sword or w/e. Since they are a set up official company there wouldn't be any fear of being ripped off or else legal issues could be pressed.

Either way people would still be botting if not for gold than just for the items.

But to be honest that type of system actually sounds more fun than that of what we have now. I would love a full on trading system to replace gold, ive always preferred bartering as opposed to gold. Sure theres a few things that would need tweaking but i love the idea.

"Item farming bots" wouldn't be as efficient as gold bots because their inventory would fill up quicker, especially at low levels. They could be programmed to only pick up things that stack, but that leaves out equipment items that are worth more. At least gold stacks up to 1 billion -1. So the bots would have to go back to town a lot I'd think.

Good point though, they'd still be there. :/

As for selling their sun+9 for $30 USD and a stack of straw, aren't there legal issues with that anyway? Maybe nothing has happened yet, but couldn't Joymax go after people for selling their intellectual property? I believe even the TOS says we can't sell their items because we do not own them.

[tedtwilliger]

Well that is true, i wanted to avoid your final point for a specific reason.

Now i know it is illegal* for these business to do what they do but it has become clear that joymax, for whatever reason, have not done anything about it. For this reason i think the item selling would be treated the same way that gold selling is conducted atm.

And it doesn't matter if the item farming bots are efficient or not, my concern would be that they are there. As long as they are there killing my mobs and taking up server space thats where the problem lies.

* Illegal refers to what i have read from the TOS. Maybe there is some kind of loophole and international law which makes their activities legal but as far as my knowledge is concerned its illegal.

[PR0METHEUS]

My point with 'item farming bots' not being efficient was basically, would it even be worth it for the companies to create those bots? Each bot wouldn't be able to hold nearly as much stuff as they would with gold, and therefore, they wouldn't have as much to offer to their customers, and collecting the goods (that they'd sell to their customers) would take longer.

The bots would still be there, but they'd have far fewer supplies, so (real cash) prices would have to go up, and less people would buy. So that might make it less worthwhile to even make the bots.

[tedtwilliger]

Though that is a true fact, if the game was constructed that way do you think that they would leave the inventory as it is?

By removing gold all players would face the same problems that the gold bots would in your situation. As a programmer you would assume with this kind of system in place you would add more inventory slots so that people can carry a larger amount of items without having to go back to town so much. Or maybe they would allow arrows/pots/other items stack in higher quantities to avoid people having to pot to town so much.

[GodsAngel]

I'd say gold bots because that sounds like a ban that Joymax might actually do when they're wasted.

Banning player bots... not a chance, and I find gold bots to be a tad bit more annoying, 600k weapon elixir prices ftw?

[Itonami]

Goldbots >___<

[sexy]

just goldbots

[InsertName]

gold bots for sure they ruin the economy