Destiny - Our Leader or Follower?

[Key-J]

So Guys, time to take a quick survey.

Destiny. What do you think of it? Does it exist? Does it apply to you?

I'm doing a TOK presentation in a few weeks time, and me an my partner's chosen topic is Destiny. We are currently in the process of taking a survey in the school, however. I would really like, and truly appreciate your input as well.

I know that we have people from all ages, nationalities, genders, and religions. Thus making you an excellent sample for a survey.

You can say anything you want about destiny. Whether you believe in it or not, whether you let it govern your life, or whether you govern your destiny. It is completely down to your personal views. You can say what you wish. as long as it is what you truly believe.

I would also like you to comment on things such as fortune tellers and horoscopes, do you think that they truly predict your destiny, or that their words act as a manipulation for you to subconsciously align your life with?

Feel free to let me know in here, or through PM if you want your privacy. Note that i will not use names as examples during my presentation, but use groups. Such as age, or religion.

When you do reply, do 1 thing though. Please add your Age and Religion

Thanks.

Here is a little brain teaser to get you thinking:

Oracle: I'd ask you to sit down, but, you're not going to anyway. And don't worry about the vase.
Neo: What vase?
[Neo turns to look for a vase, and as he does, he knocks over a vase of flowers, which shatters on the floor]
Oracle: That vase.
Neo: I'm sorry...
Oracle: I said don't worry about it. I'll get one of my kids to fix it.
Neo: How did you know?
Oracle: Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?

~Key-J

[CrimsonNuker]

MAKE YOUR OWN DESTINY J-Yek

Ega: NwoknU
Religion: Of catholic influence.

[XemnasXD]

I believe in destiny. Its the fate of all things. Since time is perception and doesn't really exist the future outcome has already been decided therefore it is unavoidable hence it is Destiny.

Age: 19
Religion: Atheist

[heroo]

i think there is such a thing as destiny.

i think that my whole life is already written on a piece of paper by God.

you can't escape destiny, some people think they can change destiny. but if you you can change destiny (which you can't), than your destiny was to change destiny. ( you guys understand? )

therefor i think fear is an superfluos emotion, cuz you don't have to fear anything, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. it's your destiny and it WILL happen, wether you fear it or not.

age: 16
religion: islam

[fena]

I'm a 15-year old atheist. I don't believe in destiny whatsoever.
There's so much that could be said about destiny, and so many examples.
If I wanted to, I could go to my room right now, find a knife, walk out onto the street, and stab an innocent man. My destiny would be so much different than if I hadn't.
Then it just comes to the question - if I really went and stabbed that man, would that have been my destiny to do it? To kill another man and extinguish his flame of life?
And if I didn't stab that man, then was it my destiny not to?
You could argue both sides of it - that's the thing. It's like so many other things: God, abortion, war, starvation, taxes.

I'm not religious. I don't believe in destiny, predestination, or anything related to your decisions in life. Quite honestly, your life is your life, and your choices are your choices and your choices alone. Just as things rarely happen by coincidence, your actions are your personal and own responsibility. Attributing your actions, whether good or bad, to destiny is just an intolerable excuse.

And just like Neo said in the same movie, I don't like thinking that someone else is in control of my life other than me. I'm in control of my own life, and what happens in the future stems from the choices and actions that I make today.

That's just my view on it.

[StealMySoda]

Well, I know how much of a bitch ToK essays are, so I'm gonna TRY and help you...
My view of destiny, many things we do in life can lead to different outcomes, there are an infinite things we can do with out lives, and the things we do on the way are the things that shape what happen.
As an example, had my dad taken the job offer from NASA when he was in University 29 years ago, he would of never met my mother, and I would not exist. It wasn't my 'destiny' to exist, because without a large amount of luck, I wouldn't exist at all, somebody else maybe, but not me...exactly the same.

I just woke up, thats about all I can wrack my tired brain for

Just in summary no, don't believe in destiny, would really like to though, as it seems like an amazing idea but doesn't seem logical.
Age: 17
Religion: Atheist

[heroo]

destiny can't be changed, but we humans are too ignorant to accept that.

than we go and make all kinds of theories and all kinds of future prediction, but it's all bullsh!t.

change your destiny and i'll call you a god.

[satman83]

Theres no such thing as destiny. Were just to scared to realize that there is no god
or no higher power controlling what happens to us...so we come up with destiny, a way
for us to handle and explain why certain events happen.

No one persons or person has a destiny, nothing you do has be for told and nothing
you do will happen until it does

Age: 24
Religion: Sikhism

[Sharp324]

destiny can't be changed, but we humans are too ignorant to accept that.

than we go and make all kinds of theories and all kinds of future prediction, but it's all bullsh!t.

change your destiny and i'll call you a god.

Doesnt mean everyone has to believe it cause you say it lol...

[heroo]

destiny can't be changed, but we humans are too ignorant to accept that.

than we go and make all kinds of theories and all kinds of future prediction, but it's all bullsh!t.

change your destiny and i'll call you a god.

Doesnt mean everyone has to believe it cause you say it lol...

did i say you have to believe it?

[CrimsonNuker]

[XemnasXD]

y are people relating destiny to a higher power. It is not an act of god or an act of control it is the inevitable outcome of existence. What happens will happen. If you choose to do nothing that is your choice and your destiny if you choose to randomly jump up and down and kill people in an effort to throw off destiny that is your destiny. I do believe that a person can choose there own destiny but whether or not they can accomplish this is also a matter of fate.

[piootr]

i dont belive in destiny, i think what happens happens because of the actions people took to make it happen, not because it was predetermined, no more, no less.

age : 13
religion : atheist

[Weeping Tear]

I'm 15, famale, half japanese half french, lving in holland.. Buddist and I think destiny does excist.

Yet, I partially agree on fena.

Maybe I was destined to be happy, to be a smoker, to enjoy life to the fullest.

Or maybe, if I would've not done what I am doing now, maybe I was destinedto keep on looking around on these forums, maybe I was destined to never say what I mean on the web.

Maybe I was never meant to cast a vote in a poll, And so the other person I did not vote on was destined to win for the second time.

Maybe Destiny doesn't excist, Maybe I was destined to question Destiny.

[cin]

i'm 21, atheist, do believe in destiny.

kj, if you want the whole story, tell me so and i will pm you.

[Deadsolid]

Age:17
Religion: Roman Catholic

I believe in destiny but would rather not b/c mine sux so far.

[Fat_Smurf]

18
atheist

I don't believe in destiny, I do stuff and shit happens

@CN it's beautiful

[Reise]

Nope, destiny is something for movies and stories. IMO people that believe in destiny or fate, believe they aren't actually in control of their lives. I'd rather do things myself than hope things will just happen on their own because of some grand scheme. Fortune tellers are scams, and horoscopes are probably the same.

Age - 19
Religion - Agnostic ( )

[NuclearSilo]

20 years old
no religion

I used to not believe in destiny. I thought that we made our destiny, every actions will lead to different consequences. But after I talked with spirits through an Ouija Board, I began to believe.

So, if ppl dont believe in destiny, how could they explain that spirit can predict the future? I read a lot of article about prediction from spirit and there are many witnesses. Most of the case, what spirit predict is true.

U can understand in this way: your life is a road; begin at A and end at B. Your destiny is going to B. But destiny doesnt tell how can u go from A to B. To go from A to B, going in a line, a circle, using a car, a train, a plane... or whatever? So no matter the transport u take, no matter the way u take, no matter how much time it takes, u are destine to go to B. We also call that destination.
Hope u understand what I said

So, if someone says that "if destiny exitsts, for example, Im destine to be a genius, I'll be very rich. So I dont need to do anything, I dont need to go to school, I dont need to go to work. It's useless coz my destiny is being rich. And everyone in this world dont need to anything...". It's sound logic and true. But does anyone able to know his own destiny? No. And if u believe it and just stay there do nothing, then your destiny if believing in such thing and being unemployment. When u feel hungry, u need to search for smt to eat, so u are obliged to work and gain money to buy things...

Uhm, back to discussion about predictions. If a spirit could predict smt, it's not because they can read your destiny. Destiny is not a book, a story, but a destination. Somehow, spirit knows where u need to pass through to get to B. If spirit tell u something about the future, it's because it is destine to tell u such thing, not because it reads your destiny.

If a spirit predict something like "u'll have a car accident in 1 Jan 2007" for example. So with predictions, ppl may avoid it. But note that predictions dont neccessary tell the destiny. The least thing we can say that your destiny is "having a spirit which predicts to help u void the car accident". It's just like the spirit tell u, in the way to go from A to B, there is an obstacle and u should avoid it: "there is a mountain in front of u, so u shouldnt use car, use a plane!". When u go consulting an oracle, u actually change to a faster transport to go to B. And oracles, spirits are there because they are destine to be there to tell u what transport u should use. U cant escape the destiny

Destiny is your leader.

Well, I said a lot of things but maybe those who doesnt believe in destiny will understand shits there.

[Silver0]

I believe in destiny.
Age: 19
Religion: Atheist

LMFAO ROFL made my week

Age:18
Religion:Pastafarianism


Destiny doesnt exist

[NuclearSilo]

I believe in destiny.
Age: 19
Religion: Atheist

LMFAO ROFL made my week

Age:18
Religion:Pastafarianism


Destiny doesnt exist

U dont believe in destiny because your destiny is "not believing in destiny". God created u from the beginning to not believe in it. Understand?

[Dystopia]

I'm 15 years of age, religion right now, its complicated. Because im in doubt.

Destiny is bullshit.

You control your own life no one else. Life is full of coincidences its not destiny its what you do NOW that effects the future.

Destiny is for the people that look at life in the most optimistic ways thinking everything is for the best, not to be pessimistic or anything but its really not.


In my own opinion, dont tell me no, because its my opinion and im not saying is as a fact...

[Silver0]

I believe in destiny.
Age: 19
Religion: Atheist

LMFAO ROFL made my week

Age:18
Religion:Pastafarianism


Destiny doesnt exist

U dont believe in destiny because your destiny is "not believing in destiny". God created u from the beginning to not believe in it. Understand?

BS go in line with the rest bs eaters
i decide, if i wanted to i could believe in it tomorrow and it wouldn't be my destiny all there is a act an effect system i act the effects come i can choose what act i do or make and get the effect now to tell me that i will make these acts in the a present self later on is bs b/c i change and you change so with change my acts will differ every time and i will get different effects,
i know how to do tarot and was into magick and alesiter crowley
its all cold reading and applying to the cards,
you can become a dj tomorrow if you put effort in it and in your later present self change completely,,,

ask anyone in future reading palm reading ,tarot readers if destiny exist and if they follow the rules they will tell you the truth which is no its doesnt all life is an action

[NuclearSilo]

BS go in line with the rest bs eaters
i decide, if i wanted to i could believe in it tomorrow and it wouldn't be my destiny all there is a act an effect system i act the effects come i can choose what act i do or make and get the effect now to tell me that i will make these acts in the a present self later on is bs b/c i change and you change so with change my acts will differ every time and i will get different effects,
i know how to do tarot and was into magick and alesiter crowley
its all cold reading and applying to the cards,
you can become a dj tomorrow if you put effort in it and in your later present self change completely,,,

ask anyone in future reading palm reading ,tarot readers if destiny exist and if they follow the rules they will tell you the truth which is no its doesnt all life is an action

If tomorrow, u believe in destiny, it's because your destiny is "believing in destiny tomorrow". Different acts will lead to different effects. But u can only choose 1 way to go and it will lead to 1 consequence. Once u chose, u cant go back. And your destiny is choosing that way to go.
It's not because u choose 1 way that it will lead to a destiny. But it's the destiny that tell u to choose that way to go.

[NuclearSilo]

Some fortune teller, palm reader are scammers. But it doesnt show that ALL fortune teller are scammers.

I believe in destiny, but it doesnt mean that I'll rely in my destiny because my destiny tell me that I shouldnt rely in destiny. I have to make decisions by myself.

If destiny exist, therefore God too. I believe in such high power doesnt necessary mean that I have to belong to a religion. Whenever I feel I need help, I'll call for them. Calling for help doesnt mean that your destiny will be changed, but your destiny is "calling for help to change your destiny".

Whenever u say "if", "if I do this, if I do that"... It's just suppositions. And it's your destiny to tell u to have such suppositions in your head. In the end, u'll do what the destiny says without realizing it.

Edit: I forgot to tell u smt. Sometime, I have the feeling that events happened in my life are very familiar. As if it's a repeat from my previous life. Or God allowed me to see my destiny before I was born.

[Fat_Smurf]

BS go in line with the rest bs eaters
i decide, if i wanted to i could believe in it tomorrow and it wouldn't be my destiny all there is a act an effect system i act the effects come i can choose what act i do or make and get the effect now to tell me that i will make these acts in the a present self later on is bs b/c i change and you change so with change my acts will differ every time and i will get different effects,
i know how to do tarot and was into magick and alesiter crowley
its all cold reading and applying to the cards,
you can become a dj tomorrow if you put effort in it and in your later present self change completely,,,

ask anyone in future reading palm reading ,tarot readers if destiny exist and if they follow the rules they will tell you the truth which is no its doesnt all life is an action

If tomorrow, u believe in destiny, it's because your destiny is "believing in destiny tomorrow". Different acts will lead to different effects. But u can only choose 1 way to go and it will lead to 1 consequence. Once u chose, u cant go back. And your destiny is choosing that way to go.
It's not because u choose 1 way that it will lead to a destiny. But it's the destiny that tell u to choose that way to go.

its easy to tell everything happe cause someone want it. but can you prove it? I doubt.

[NuclearSilo]

No. I cant prove anything. It's because my destiny tell me that Im not able to prove such thing to u.

But read again the part about prediction. Whenever u could explain how a spirit could tell the future, u'll have your answer.

And dont just believe in anything without any evidence, any proof, any witness.

U believe that destiny not exist. So u have to prove that. Saying that "different action will lead to different consequence" is not enough to prove smt.

Prediction is counter-example of your belief.

[Nitro]

Age:16
Religion: Catholic

I'm not sure about the destiny ... I really dunno ... should I believe or shouldn't I? I read an example from one guy who posted it few posts ago ... "I can go outside , get a knife and stab a innocent guy" . Well ... I really dunno does it exist ... I'm thinking like this: even if I did go out and stabbed that guy ... would God already planned that I'll do that ... was that my destiny? And even If I didnt ... would God planned that I should stay at home and doing nothing?

You get my point? Whatever I do ... I can call it was my destiny ... but If I could turn back the time ... and do something other .. I can call that my destiny too ...

Its hard to explain on English ... I hope someone understands me?
I'm not really sure about destiny ... its seems that whatever I do ... I can call it my destiny.

[Fat_Smurf]

open your eyes, no one will take you by your hands and lead you your whole life.

In my book people thinking this way are insecure and need an ''easy answer'' to explain what they can't understand or confuse them.

What would you say about someone ending in the street? it's his destiny? and if he get out of the seet, stand up and fix his life? his destiny changed?

and those prediction and spirit things are just absurd, I've neevr seen spirit or felt them. even when I ws really high, so i dunno what's ur ouidja board is made of but i need to get some.

I think your just calling ''Destiny'' what everyone else call ''life''

[TOloseGT]

19
athiest

i don't believe in destiny. i believe we live our life at the present. w/e comes our way, we deal wit it, and no one in their right mind could be able to see even 5 mins into the future. if something happens, then it's cause and effect. sometimes, coincidences do happen, but don't think it's ur destiny because of it, cuz there are 6+ billion ppl on earth, chances are something like that was gonna happen. there's no destiny, there r only right and wrong choices that govern how ur life pans out.

about horoscopes and fortune tellers, they say some vague stuff, lead u in a random direction, and u piece together the blanks within the context of ur life. there's no mystical power involved. complete bs if u ask me.