Dual axe help

[Ice_Warrior]

does any1 know the best sub class for dual axe? and also if any1 knows if the dual axe weakening series passive thing work the same as holy ward in cleric?

[Ningyotsukai-san]

Well, I would suggest Cleric as your sub.

And about the Series....not entirely sure

lv1 Holy Word in Cleric
Weakening Series reduce (Effect 48), Probability 100%, level 2
Same stats for Restriction and Curse Series reduce for the skill

now the Maddening or w/e it's called skill, lvl 1
Weakening Series reduce (Effect 40), Probability 50%, level 2
Same stats for Restriction and curse Series

So...looking at the skill description, I say it works somewhat like holy word, but not as effectively lol..

Someone else comment that knows =/

[destructionmama]

Currently Duel axe are kinda gimped because JM messed up, however a lot of people say they are under rated, so i don't know. , but Stick to it they might get good skills and JM might fix things.

as for sub yes cleric is probably the best choice, no shield = need some hp regen.

[GatoradeR]

Yeah it seems like it...I made a couple of posts about dual axes not being so good, but I really don't believe that myself.I've played dual axes so many times, and I keep saying they aren't so good....but no matter how many times I've said that, something about them just keeps pulling me back to the class.

Unfortunately, I can't really advise a subclass for them, because I'm having trouble with that myself.

[tedtwilliger]

Theres a few subclasses you can pick.

One would be bard. Bard subclass allows you to take an important skill, moving march and at later levels swing march.

This is a buff that doesn't go away when you switch weapons and it allows you to increase your moving speed by a certain percent, 20% at lvl 10, 30% at lvl 20 etc. Its like the european version of grasswalk. Also it applies to everyone in the party.

Cleric is also a subclass that can be chosen. There are many moves which will help in this sub class with the most famous being bless, a skill that increases your magical and physical defence for 45 seconds.

For more information on the cleric subclass, go here
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Personally i would go with bard for the moving speed, but thats just my personal preference.

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holy word is useless with axe really since passive is about same... just not 100% :/ lol

[Valikie]

Currently Duel axe are kinda gimped because JM messed up, however a lot of people say they are under rated, so i don't know. , but Stick to it they might get good skills and JM might fix things.

as for sub yes cleric is probably the best choice, no shield = need some hp regen.

I lol'd

[CHIPS]

I am not sure if you know this fact, but 1HS actually hurts more than Dual Axe. If this fact does not bother you, then keep going Dual Axe, as they look awesome. If it bothers you, choose another weapon.

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[Ice_Warrior]

they dnt do mre dmg, i have a 1h sword and it doesnt do as much dmg den dual axe this is why i switched, and also 2h too common not rly unique, dual axe is all about dishing combos and getting crits while having decent defense, i like this build, did like my 1h cz i had to run away and keep using warlock debuffs which just got rly rly annoying.

[MrFudge]

yeah i'm pretty sure at lvl 80 1h sword outdamages dual axe.
dual axes' defense isnt that great, and the offense still sux.

[Ice_Warrior]

are we talking 1h with warlock buffs out dmg dual axe or just normal dmg?

[GatoradeR]

He's probably talking about normal dmg, but this assumption, most of the time, is based on the % indicated on their skills at higher lvls.But like i said in another post you can't pay too much attention to those, because JoyMax also says that Axis Quiver lands at 50%, but if you had actually played dual axes, you would probably say, "yeah...this skill definitely is NOT 50%".

SO, the power of high lvl dual axe skills can't really be confirmed until someone actually gets high lvl with one and uses them.

[Ice_Warrior]

YE EXACTLY omg axe quiver sux azz, i get 1 stun out of 10 hits!

[CHIPS]

they dnt do mre dmg, i have a 1h sword and it doesnt do as much dmg den dual axe this is why i switched, and also 2h too common not rly unique, dual axe is all about dishing combos and getting crits while having decent defense, i like this build, did like my 1h cz i had to run away and keep using warlock debuffs which just got rly rly annoying.

Early on yes. But if you check all the later skills, 1HS deals on average 7% more damage than Dual Axe. Of course like someone said before, no one knows the truth until someone dual axe to lvl 80 and tells us.

[Ice_Warrior]

i think maybe axes bleed status does a small contribution.

[destructionmama]

YE EXACTLY omg axe quiver sux azz, i get 1 stun out of 10 hits!

Just a small tip/advice (I am no axe expert)

I found that after you use axe Quiver if it fails to stun your mob you can follow up with the two hit combo thing ( which I 4got what its call) it usually stuns the mob 85% of the time and adds bleed to it. I know most people after axe Quiver follow up with the 3 hit combo but I think you get more damage with the 3 hit combo if you have the mob stunned? (confirmation plz) , What I do is follow up with 2 hit than 3 hit and down cross.

correct me if I 'm wrong

[GatoradeR]

That sounds about right, except the 85% part due to Axis Quivers unreliability.I usually don't use axis quiver unless I'm playing around, or if I'm being jumped by mobs.

[Aiyas]

So, who actually has(or has seen) a Level 80 dual axe warrior?

I find it hard to believe that they're really that bad. I'm tempted to try one myself.

[destructionmama]

So, who actually has(or has seen) a Level 80 dual axe warrior?

I find it hard to believe that they're really that bad. I'm tempted to try one myself.

I think there is a few people close to 80 at different servers, but most do have 2-hand as well, because the crit is just awsome for 2-hand. ya Axe skills looks really cool lol, its like martial arts lol

[BloodOwnzzz]

So, who actually has(or has seen) a Level 80 dual axe warrior?

I find it hard to believe that they're really that bad. I'm tempted to try one myself.

I think there is a few people close to 80 at different servers, but most do have 2-hand as well, because the crit is just awsome for 2-hand. ya Axe skills looks really cool lol, its like martial arts lol

There was 1 lvl 80 on Poseidon but he is farming 2H Sword now. There is one on Oasis or Hercules(Not sure which) there is another 2 from random movies I saw and possibly one that is 80 now on Xian.

On the subject of Dual Axe damage. You cannot go by the %'s on a given combo skill for its damage. The combo will deal higher damage on some hits on the combo, most commonly the last, which makes it more powerful than the given %'s. Also, adding up %'s on combos does NOT show its actual % if it was a 1 hit skill for that exact reason. And Bleed > 1H Sword.

[GatoradeR]

On the subject of Dual Axe damage. You cannot go by the %'s on a given combo skill for its damage. The combo will deal higher damage on some hits on the combo, most commonly the last, which makes it more powerful than the given %'s. Also, adding up %'s on combos does NOT show its actual % if it was a 1 hit skill for that exact reason. And Bleed > 1H Sword.

+1.Also, when fighting shield users, a 2 hander will struggle to even get maddening out due to its incredibly slow time vs shield thrash and/or crush, and even after he does, he has to worry about it being blocked.

I think thats another strong point for fast attacks.Yeah, everyone does little to no dmg on shield users, but at least you know your getting some through instead of being completely negated.

[eaglehawk]

since i converted to cleric sub from warlock dual axe has is still useful even though i have holy word as i can pvp with 2h sword without getting weakened/division/impotent etc.. i still have maxed dual axe skills and use them against against any fully farmed lvl 80 chinese using snow shield. first i buff with skins, then bless spell and switch to dual axe and just keep stunning him, once skins are back i switch back to 2h sword

[GatoradeR]

But would you say that a cleric sub is better than your previous sub?

Also, since you're lvl 80 and maxed out on dual axes, can you also provide us with information on dual axes final skills?

[MrSonic]

So, who actually has(or has seen) a Level 80 dual axe warrior?

I find it hard to believe that they're really that bad. I'm tempted to try one myself.

Well the problem with dual axes is their 50/50 balance between damage and tanking, they can't hit as hard as a 2H Warrior and they can't tank like a 1H Warrior, making it a pretty weak build in PvP and a useless build in Party play. And their bad side shows off really soon too, not like a Rogue who wrecks havoc until lv 50+ and then becomes pretty ordinary if you can't use him correctly. At lv 18 on my Dual Axe Warrior it already took me 4 attacks to kill a lv 17 monster, the lv 10 chain, lv 4 hard hit and a finishing normal attack, it is true i had sucky 18+0 axes but my point is that a Dual Axe will never, EVER match a 2H/1H Warrior without sun or +9 equips.

[Aiyas]

So, who actually has(or has seen) a Level 80 dual axe warrior?

I find it hard to believe that they're really that bad. I'm tempted to try one myself.

Well the problem with dual axes is their 50/50 balance between damage and tanking, they can't hit as hard as a 2H Warrior and they can't tank like a 1H Warrior, making it a pretty weak build in PvP and a useless build in Party play. And their bad side shows off really soon too, not like a Rogue who wrecks havoc until lv 50+ and then becomes pretty ordinary if you can't use him correctly. At lv 18 on my Dual Axe Warrior it already took me 4 attacks to kill a lv 17 monster, the lv 10 chain, lv 4 hard hit and a finishing normal attack, it is true i had sucky 18+0 axes but my point is that a Dual Axe will never, EVER match a 2H/1H Warrior without sun or +9 equips.

That's the part that bothers me. Maybe things are different at higher caps.

[Ice_Warrior]

i'm guessing each build in sro is there for a reason

[VOwl]

bard

[MrFudge]

theres a lvl 80 dual axe on babel, hes got 72+7 dual axes.
The damage is not that impressive. Theyre fast but 5 hits with low % :S

http://silkroaddata.mine.nu/player.asp?id=10603

not lying. Rev6 says lvl 77 cuz thats the highest lvl equip, all 80s are 77.

[GodsAngel]

since most axe moves are chains I'd think they were meant to crit. And also their bleed status increases the damage they do on moves after that bleed status is inflicted.... I'm guessing whoever said that 1hands outdamage hadn't taken this into consideration..

For those of you unfamiliar with bleed status, it's a status ailment that decreases the opponents mag and phy defence and also deals not note-worthy (like "100") damage every few seconds.

I have a 1hand / Axe warrior and 1hand doesn't do more damage, it's close but 1hand does not do more. As for 2hand.... well yea it's f*ing 2 hand they have their crit passive and every move does like 14 -> 24k crits.. 2hands tend to kill me even with my shield as a 1hand... unless im cheap and just KB sprint assault KB sprint assault lol..

what i actually plan to do is get bleed status on them with axe, get em stunned use the 10% for axe then use the 10% for 1hand then keep doing that. with bleed they should do decent damage. of course this is for solo and just for fun in a real situation im obviously a tank for a whole party and will be stunning and putting a shield back on so i can stay alive and keep buffs on the party and saving the int and cleric. (for pvp i mean, pve is a diff story)

[GatoradeR]

theres a lvl 80 dual axe on babel, hes got 72+7 dual axes.
The damage is not that impressive. Theyre fast but 5 hits with low % :S

http://silkroaddata.mine.nu/player.asp?id=10603

not lying. Rev6 says lvl 77 cuz thats the highest lvl equip, all 80s are 77.

How much damage are we talking about? How well does he do?