rogue +warlock = ownage?

Iam4everdb · Post by **Iam4everdb** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:23 pm

I really want to take maybe a warlock subclass for my rogue character. I have kind of thought through how exactly i would pvp, and do the debuffs and all without getting raped. So my combo would be to first use slumber.. make them fall asleep and then cast tons of debuffs on them. switch to crossbow/dagger and xbow xtreme/ DD combined with the debuffs would make it almost a garuanteed 1 hit K.O. But wat im wondering is, does slumber\'s sleeping affect still continue to work as i debuff, or as soon as icast a debuff or attack him.. does he wake up? If so.. then forget warlock, because wat im thinking wont work XD.

___ONLY___ · Post by **___ONLY___** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:25 pm

go with bard

Allig2948 · Post by **Allig2948** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:26 pm

Personally I think it would be a great build.

With the status the warlock gives you and the power the rogue, looks to me it will pwn ass.

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:27 pm

rogue/warlock is almost same as 1h+warlock

but jobs u gona go down very fast... u will 1crt or 2hit ppl on 80lvl then u will get owned...

we got so much noobs in sro 99% of ppl dono how to use their chars...

if u wont be unfreezable than u will become weak at jobs and pvp

frost nova will own u when u start to prick ppl from stealth
same wit 1h+warlock cmon ppl think a bit start to freez 1h+warlocks they will get owned so easy...

i could win easly pvp wit 1h+warlock like vapore wit my chinese int hyb on spear (unfarmed) in npc eq...

its all about NOT being dumbass

jorgie · Post by **jorgie** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:15 pm

this was my idea

go for it bro

Speedy · Post by **Speedy** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:17 pm

IowU wrote:rogue/warlock is almost same as 1h+warlock

but jobs u gona go down very fast... u will 1crt or 2hit ppl on 80lvl then u will get owned...

we got so much noobs in sro 99% of ppl dono how to use their chars...

if u wont be unfreezable than u will become weak at jobs and pvp

frost nova will own u when u start to prick ppl from stealth
same wit 1h+warlock cmon ppl think a bit start to freez 1h+warlocks they will get owned so easy...

i could win easly pvp wit 1h+warlock like vapore wit my chinese int hyb on spear (unfarmed) in npc eq...

its all about NOT being dumbass

Almost all euros go down in jobs quickly especially without cleric help

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:20 pm

Allig2948 wrote:Personally I think it would be a great build.

With the status the warlock gives you and the power the rogue, looks to me it will pwn ass.

but u dont need statuses to 1 hit as a rogue -.-

only useful thing in the warlock tree would be the razes and sleep, 20sec sleep then add impotent and division and decay then switch, DD and pwn. But its not as efficient as stealth + prick

MrSonic · Post by **MrSonic** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:24 pm

nah, waste of SP in my opinion, with CE for example you will be able to 1 hit almost all of your opponents anyways unless you have an NPC crossbow or something, warlock will only make it more difficult because if sleep doesn't work your opponent will run up to you and rape you while you're casting debuffs.

LheraJ · Post by **LheraJ** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:34 pm

MrSonic wrote:nah, waste of SP in my opinion, with CE for example you will be able to 1 hit almost all of your opponents anyways unless you have an NPC crossbow or something, warlock will only make it more difficult because if sleep doesn't work your opponent will run up to you and rape you while you're casting debuffs.

i aggree

Renton · Post by **Renton** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:38 pm

Seen a rogue/warlock lv 80. Does pretty good if it has someone near him to protect him though. A small fight does great since you gotta love the sleep, dull, and stun. A big fight.. you're the first target.

Fuhito · Post by **Fuhito** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:47 pm

Overkill.

Go with cleric or bard. Why? Because there's no need for a 30k crit when you hit for 20k without debuffs(random numbers). You'd probably have more fun with a buff sub class imo.

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:05 pm

tbh i think this is fail and u will realize it later
warlocks got at least 5 debuffs u will need by the time u switch to your
daggers or xbow u are dead rouges need to be quick and just keep on attacking not debuffing or using a warlock rod they need every hit they can get from a fight

warlock/warrior works better due the fact that they got more def and they got a shield on already.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:14 pm

anything is better than bard....

Besides it'll help you take out those str builds faster....

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:31 pm

nah, warlock is cool, but not for rogues...
go rogue + bard, and if you want to help your friends go rogue + cleric

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:40 pm

Lets think about this.

The way a rogue will solo job, for example as a hunter is as follows.

Equips daggers, activates d/d, activate stealth. Run around in stealth till= you see a theif, run in and prick.

Or alternatively the same trick but with crossbow.

Your advantage their is stealth. No one can see you so they aren't expecting you, you have a chance to kill them before they even know whats coming.

Now as a warlock sub, you will see them, switch to warlock and attempt to de buff, in which it will cause you to be out of stealth, your advantage will be lost, due to your crap speed you cant run ( excluding 100% speed pots ) and theres a high chance that on 1v1 you will die.

Now, does warlock seem like a good sub still?

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:43 pm

tedtwilliger wrote:Lets think about this.

The way a rogue will solo job, for example as a hunter is as follows.

Equips daggers, activates d/d, activate stealth. Run around in stealth till= you see a theif, run in and prick.

Or alternatively the same trick but with crossbow.

Your advantage their is stealth. No one can see you so they aren't expecting you, you have a chance to kill them before they even know whats coming.

Now as a warlock sub, you will see them, switch to warlock and attempt to de buff, in which it will cause you to be out of stealth, your advantage will be lost, due to your crap speed you cant run ( excluding 100% speed pots ) and theres a high chance that on 1v1 you will die.

Now, does warlock seem like a good sub still?

depending on the amount of people because im pretty sure at latter lvls Warlocks gets an AoE stun you can multiple people cast debuffs on the strongest ones and finish them off...

Or approach in stealth kill the ints with Xbow stun the strs and sheild users cast debuffs and finish them off....

wealth of possibilities...and still its better than bard...

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:47 pm

I wasn't making any note of bard XemnasXD, thats an argument for another day.

Im just saying that warlock is a bad sub. For a 1h it works well, but for someone who relies upon stealth its pointless. But thats just my opinion, in the end he can choose w/e he wants for all i care.

VforVendetta · Post by **VforVendetta** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:50 pm

IowU wrote:rogue/warlock is almost same as 1h+warlock

but jobs u gona go down very fast... u will 1crt or 2hit ppl on 80lvl then u will get owned...

we got so much noobs in sro 99% of ppl dono how to use their chars...

if u wont be unfreezable than u will become weak at jobs and pvp

frost nova will own u when u start to prick ppl from stealth
same wit 1h+warlock cmon ppl think a bit start to freez 1h+warlocks they will get owned so easy...

i could win easly pvp wit 1h+warlock like vapore wit my chinese int hyb on spear (unfarmed) in npc eq...

its all about NOT being dumbass

Big sigh, does your oversized ego know no end? for one your a notorious bot, making anything you say not the least credible, but when you take a jab unprovoked its just plain clear to see that you are just living to annoy and piss people off, sorry about this off topic rant, just had to.

On Topic: Rogue Warlocks, what can I say other than this, if you can tank, choose warlock, if you cant tank, choose a subclass that aids you in tanking, now you may say that the impotent debuff helps you survive more cause it reduces the opponents attack power, but then again, this derives the point being a Rogue, and thats to be fast and effecient killer, and defeats the point of being invisible.

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:09 pm

You don't need to tank to make use of a warlock sub....especially since a warlock has stun and sleep. You can easily stun and pull off the debuffs you need and still have time to switch and start shooting before they move.

Warlock/Rogue is a big overkill, because of the speed at which rogues kill in the first place, but if you see that you can't take out a full sun pure str...let's go with glavier, not blader...then why not make it easier by both stopping and debuffing them. Who cares if you are not invisible when they can't do anything because of stun and sleep?

Nodame · Post by **Nodame** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:31 am

a warlock's debuffs take a while to cast... which really defeat the purpose of 'stealth' for a rogue...

i vote no.

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:45 am

rogue's don't need warlock sub to kill

however, warrior with warlock sub is really good. since there are so many clerics out there already, why not invest in the warlock tree. using those razes in war could really help a bunch of ppl.

Good_Apollo · Post by **Good_Apollo** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:20 am

i know of someone in Troy who uses that build. It owns in 1v1 pvp but besides that if it doesnt have bless spell or bard buffs it dies way to easy since it doesnt have cleric masteries

Post by **Rainigul** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:00 am

rogue+warrior is the best imo. DD+Prick+maddenning (or whatever it's called).

That's pretty much a guarenteed kill.

123noob · Post by **123noob** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:13 am

you know what best? rogue+bard and with teh "1% chance to ignore enemy's defence"... man just think... if you luckily get that 1% chance + a crit at the same time... I dunno wtf kind of damage you'll get out.

And I just noticed the importance of it after watching a player with that attribute nuking twice the damage of his normal nuke as if he was zerking...

he was lvl 45-8 and doing the flame wave nuke on penon party... normal nuke would be around 3-5k... but with the attribute hit... he did 10k+... almost same as my crit (13k) with my rogue dagger +3 45 and m lvl 50 with maxed current skill lvls using screw.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:34 am

lalallala crap.

Let's see the break down of the battle.

you stealth.
you switch to rod / destealth
you status effect which is still by chance
you switch back to daggers
you cast DD
you attack.

By the time you destealth, you will be dead.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:37 am

Pred wrote:lalallala crap.

Let's see the break down of the battle.

you stealth.
you switch to rod / destealth
you status effect which is still by chance
you switch back to daggers
you cast DD
you attack.

By the time you destealth, you will be dead.

Or you cast DD
you Stealth
you attack
You switch to rod
You stun whoever is left
You cast debuffs
You switch back to Daggers
You finish them off

If you played your way you'd be retarded

jabbers · Post by **jabbers** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:41 am

well i know fear,bind,dull most all those other status effects except for stun can be cured with the expensive pills , im pretty sure slumber can too.i dont think stun would be fasst enough to get the debuffs.. but even If that's the case there you still probably wont have trouble with most people, but all the decent player out there will sure be using the good pills.

moon.ninja · Post by **moon.ninja** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:19 pm

Allig2948 wrote:Personally I think it would be a great build.

With the status the warlock gives you and the power the rogue, looks to me it will pwn ass.

you will pwn but your opponent will pwn u even easier.
rogues strongest and best tactic is to stealth and kill. With a crit you can kill instantly.

no point using stealth if ur just gonna spam ur buffs at someone. plus rogues should be quick.
you dont have time to debuff etc ..

William-CL · Post by **William-CL** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:31 pm

I don't think Warlock gives rogue that much of an advantage. Rogue are already pretty strong. Try going with Warrior or Bard.

ranger4life · Post by **ranger4life** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:55 pm

it would be horrible,

the only thing u will get form warlock is the sleep and stun and stuff like that,
but it will alwasy resist, i would know cuz i actually have a warlock.

and the DoT nukes wont even be close to effective cuz your pure str

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