90 Cap= Chinese Ownage?

andrejat · Post by **andrejat** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:21 pm

Why? o_O

I mean, euros in a 8 man group w/ buffs and tactics can still easily kill chinese just as they can now.

Does 90 chinese own on KSRO because their bot problem is so bad that numbers overcome quality of euros?

Tell me

tyfly · Post by **tyfly** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:33 pm

andrejat wrote:Why? o_O

I mean, euros in a 8 man group w/ buffs and tactics can still easily kill chinese just as they can now.

Does 90 chinese own on KSRO because their bot problem is so bad that numbers overcome quality of euros?

Tell me

Theres a great are for This called Q & A No one knows, and It all depends on the people playing euro/chinese characters and the gear, in other words just wait

Nyahgis · Post by **Nyahgis** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:58 pm

Euro's power relies on the extremity of their own and party based buffs, and their high damage. This doesn't change with the new caps, so I doubt that their performance will either.

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:07 pm

luckily, euros on iSRO cant team play for shit

VforVendetta · Post by **VforVendetta** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:09 pm

Sharp324 wrote:luckily, euros on iSRO cant team play for shit

I've also noticed that, but my guild (PurePainCrew) is built on the sole purpose of having european teamplay as a must, and we aim to use our advanced skills and teamwork to take down any opposition, rather than being foolish and being a 1 man army, like most europeans try to do.

[AoW]ForLife · Post by **[AoW]ForLife** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:47 pm

Right now the iSRO approach to euro chars is that they're all-powerful. That they can take down anything 1v1, in a group, or 1v many, simply because of the [overly] powerful skills.
At 90 cap, I believe only bard gets new skills, so euros won't dominate 1v1 as much anymore. Since most iSRO euros are so full of themselves they haven't learned to complement one another, if they don't adjust the Chinese will obliterate them.

mosiac · Post by **mosiac** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:53 pm

bless at lv90cap will make anyone invincible. clerics ftl

___ONLY___ · Post by **___ONLY___** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:59 pm

I pwn everyone now and i will pwn everyone then

MissLe2 · Post by **MissLe2** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:07 pm

call me a noob :oops:

but the level is now 90 tops?
im only lvl 41 so i dont understand much of what higher lvl discuss
thanks

Faiien · Post by **Faiien** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:09 pm

90 cap is soon to come young padawan
and when i say soon i mean like mayb mid next year lol

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:21 pm

___ONLY___ wrote:I pwn everyone now and i will pwn everyone then

sounds like the arrogance of a glavie

larroxx · Post by **larroxx** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:33 pm

Sharp324 wrote:
___ONLY___ wrote:I pwn everyone now and i will pwn everyone then

sounds like the arrogance of a glavie

nope more Wizzard rofl

AngloKnight · Post by **AngloKnight** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:03 pm

that's my arrogance when I play rogue haha

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:10 pm

It could be a blade...they think they are the best because their shield defense and pot delay keeps them alive...and they call that ownage.....

Chinese get new skills, but you guys need to realize something. Level 80 euros are much much better than level 79 euros...or much^99 better than lvl 75 euros. Since most update skills start at 76+, euros don't really get good until they are farmed to at least 80. Now here is a question for you, who do most general parties have either chinese or euros? It's probably not because of ingame racism..it's mostly because a sosun chinese does less dmg than a wizard without life control, so euro parties don't take in chinese, and chinese parties just can't get a euro in because euros won't join...

A cleric at level 80 just gets super support with healing orbit... and mass holy .....

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:04 pm

when something happens on kSro, that doesnt mean it will happen on our sro too :banghead:

just wait man...

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:07 pm

torinchibi wrote:It could be a blade...they think they are the best because their shield defense and pot delay keeps them alive...and they call that ownage.....

Chinese get new skills, but you guys need to realize something. Level 80 euros are much much better than level 79 euros...or much^99 better than lvl 75 euros. Since most update skills start at 76+, euros don't really get good until they are farmed to at least 80. Now here is a question for you, who do most general parties have either chinese or euros? It's probably not because of ingame racism..it's mostly because a sosun chinese does less dmg than a wizard without life control, so euro parties don't take in chinese, and chinese parties just can't get a euro in because euros won't join...

A cleric at level 80 just gets super support with healing orbit... and mass holy .....

ive seen enough mixed parties

but i agree, euro is much better in pt... chinese characters can better sologrind...

PrincessChei2x · Post by **PrincessChei2x** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:21 pm

rogue can do a one man army. >_<

AngloKnight · Post by **AngloKnight** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:53 pm

So guys, anyways I don't really get that euro builds will get weaker... I heard lots of explainations, like chinese will get new skills, but my answer is, euro will get new up dates in their skills, I think joymax won't let them use lvl80s skills when deg 9 is there... So, so far we're equal... Do chinese get like more defense? I really need explaination why ppl say Euros will get weaker...

thx^^

HellsAdvocate · Post by **HellsAdvocate** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:27 pm

90 cap will not come with new pots so the euros will have a better chance to kill chinese characters because they cannot pot so fast. Kinda like 70 cap with large pots ^^, we all remember how fun that was

AngloKnight · Post by **AngloKnight** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:04 pm

so thats all about it? not the new skills and not that the chinese will get better defense or euros will get weaker attacks?

ranger4life · Post by **ranger4life** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:07 pm

heres my inference:
form what i can tell i thnik euro will still be dominating until the 100 cap comes with teh new, better nukes for chinese nukers

AngloKnight · Post by **AngloKnight** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:10 pm

Rogues and qizards can 1 hit kill ppl... So I don't expect them to die because the chinese won't have a chance... so, would the euros get weaker in their attacking?

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:15 pm

The only chinese build that will be worth it is Blader, you have to work hard to get the best. Other than that Euros will still pwn...

V0rt3x · Post by **V0rt3x** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:17 pm

90 cap wont get so many sun drops as 80 cap. for example they will get the same as 7D suns on your server.
Euro can still level up their skills so i think euro will pwn at 90 cap

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:54 pm

I would say bladers and bowers will always be better than euros. With 90 cap, I think you get another KB combo, so to kill euros just pump those combos. A euro can't pot his way out of a combo, so it's probably the best skill to use. Interrupts nukes for sure, while knocking back warriors and dagger rogues. Bladers won't get much better since if you want to do effects you have to use chains, so the euros will be attacking during that time.. then again, since the chain is stun and fear at the same time, chances are you are as safe as using KD.

Now here is why chinese won't get overpoweringly strong:

-No new pots, so easier to kill, but euros don't get them either, so warriors are going to be in trouble too, not so much nukers or people with cleric subs though. However, when potting is your lifeline, and that just got cut a few strands...you just know what's coming. Finally some shorter chinese vs chinese PvP though.
-The new chinese skills don't add defense...(except the mana shield)...so you won't really avoid getting 1 shot.
-at level 80, euros are so overpowering because of the new skills, that any addition of chinese skills until like 120 cap won't be much help, and it's not like the euro skills don't update.
-new armor, but.... NO mass amounts of SOSUNS...can't own when you have gear that won't keep you alive more than 3 shots....
-we are about to see sudden shortage of elixirs, so those great +9 gears won't be coming anytime real soon after 90 cap...so chinese won't be matching euro power, and euros can already 1 hit chinese with +5's
-Did I say no sosuns yet...you can forget about a sosun set for a few years too...
-new armors...new weapons, so all those piled up sosuns are going to be useless against those lvl 80/85 shiny new 9D's
-more level 80+ euros = more clerics that have holy spell and healing orbit = more efficient euro parties = a bigger advantage. You think a couple of lvl 80 clerics are bad, try getting mass everything on your whole party in 3 sec, and not being able to do anything because of it.... Chinese don't get any skills that will benefit a party so they won't be winning party vs party PvPs...or guild wars... or fortress wars.....
- new level cap = 1 less mastery. A level 60 mastery was nice, but with 90 cap your extra mastery will be lvl 30. For STR it's quite easy to decide, just get cold 30 and you are done freezing euros won't be any use with all those holy spell clerics around anyway. However, the INT will have to drop their weapon, their defense, or their attack power. Without weapon skills, a chinese nuker is dead meat vs euro wizards, and without mana shield or the fire buffs, they are dead in 1 shot, so that's just bad.

Logik · Post by **Logik** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:05 pm

So what will nukers use on 9D im planing on droping fire to 30

I think it will be garm right? cuz we will have little more mag def to fight euros but like thats gonna help theyll still 1hit me

V0rt3x · Post by **V0rt3x** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:06 pm

torinchibi wrote:-No new pots, so easier to kill, but euros don't get them either, so warriors are going to be in trouble too

Just use the hp grains so only chinesse are in trouble.

raged! · Post by **raged!** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:39 pm

think about it this way

if euros right after the EURO update, aren't overpowered why would people reroll for them?

so to balance this out, euros do not get new skills at 90, or 100, but they can upgrade their existing skills. and i believe this is why chinese will dominate at 90 and 100 (because chinese will get new skills).

AngloKnight · Post by **AngloKnight** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:32 pm

i got a point most ppl didn't notice... wat do you do with new skills having bleed, importent and those new chains and all that? You die in 1 or 2 hits, so you won't even get a chance to hit, so how exactly do chinese get stronger? I guess it haven't rally been evened out unless we're talking that euro's get weaker damage, other wise, some builds like wizards, rogues and clerics will still own... correct me if im wrong

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:42 pm

Euros are weaker.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tbn_5IGepXE

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