1H/Warlock VS 2H/Cleric

moon.ninja · Post by **moon.ninja** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:02 pm

1H/Warlock or 2H/Cleric?

Discuss.

EDIT: Im going to add a pure int Warlock/Cleric to this discussion. Is this build any good fighting someone with holy word? Might be a bit tough since there are so many clerics out there who can use this skill.

Gh0d · Post by **Gh0d** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:03 pm

2H/Warlock

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:05 pm

Wasnt this discussed more times?
Well ... I'm for 2h Cleric ... no need to cast debuffs at beginning ...

Trice · Post by **Trice** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:06 pm

2h/c mainly coz im not a fan of the 1h, not enough damage and with the euro pot delay you wanna kill things before they kill you. even with warlock sub to stun sleep etc it just seems like a convoluted way of killing, either walock main and pwn, or a str main that does the damage, eg 2h. I kinda frown upon non-buff subs, alternative method of attack isnt a good sub, sub should be there to support your main not be an alternative.

assuming you want a pure str, go 2h or axes (i like them, i think they are underused - also, this makes them cheaper) as your main then cleric as sub rather than bard, i think bard noise/moving is more beneficial to int chars that die far too quick.

SpInKsTaR · Post by **SpInKsTaR** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:08 pm

2H/Cleric...Cause im one =D

Theyre pretty good...except u cant really buff urself ]=

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:10 pm

2h/cleric wins...

the 1h already does low damage so str/anything can tank it
holyword blocks the debuff so it warlock part is useless

though int warlock vs int cleric, i'd say the warlock would win since dots would kill cleric or at least make sure his hp is under 95% even if debuffs dont work the warlock's other attacks are stronger

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:19 pm

it does low dmg because you guys are close minded.
if u were skill wise you'd know can out damage 2h, but fine.

shoto · Post by **shoto** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:02 pm

can you explain ice how 1h/warlock does more damage?

does warlock have defense lowering buffs or something?

Ningyotsukai-san · Post by **Ningyotsukai-san** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:14 pm

shoto wrote:can you explain ice how 1h/warlock does more damage?

does warlock have defense lowering buffs or something?

I can't comment on the "more damage" aspect, but warlock has both offensive/defensive debuffs.

borat2 · Post by **borat2** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:03 pm

shoto wrote:can you explain ice how 1h/warlock does more damage?

does warlock have defense lowering buffs or something?

lowers phy/mag defense and can also lower phy/mag attacks of the enemy
icewal is the biggest problem but since you combined a str based build you can take it down fast

most are in raze book
http://www.silkroadonline.net/gameinfo/ ... astery=C02

Trice · Post by **Trice** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:22 pm

borat2 wrote:
shoto wrote:can you explain ice how 1h/warlock does more damage?

does warlock have defense lowering buffs or something?

lowers phy/mag defense and can also lower phy/mag attacks of the enemy
icewal is the biggest problem but since you combined a str based build you can take it down fast

most are in raze book
http://www.silkroadonline.net/gameinfo/ ... astery=C02

:o
euro vital spots

Post by **Rainigul** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:46 pm

Rogue/2h.

DD+Prick, then Maddening.

Owned.

VforVendetta · Post by **VforVendetta** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:23 pm

[SD]Rainigul wrote:Rogue/2h.

DD+Prick, then Maddening.

Owned.

If you need to use another weapon after using Prick you fail at rogue and at life same time.

Burningwolf · Post by **Burningwolf** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:01 pm

VforVendetta wrote:
[SD]Rainigul wrote:Rogue/2h.

DD+Prick, then Maddening.

Owned.

If you need to use another weapon after using Prick you fail at rogue and at life same time.

lol +1

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:16 pm

1H Sword / Warlock can easily own a 2H Swd / Cleric...

Sleep/Stun + Debuffs + DOTS + Absolute Damage + Shield Trash KB/Dull + Block Inc + Critical Parry Inc... Vs. 2H Skill Delays, go figure

I'm not being biased here as I am a 2H Swd / Cleric...

Only downside to a 1H Sword / Warlock is that it's not a party pvp class...

Hehe, @ 90 cap I'm gonna farm for both 1H & 2H and Cleric... Every noobs in my server now are 2H/Cleric... LoL!

xZhang_Liaox · Post by **xZhang_Liaox** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:38 pm

EngravedDemon wrote:1H Sword / Warlock can easily own a 2H Swd / Cleric...

Sleep/Stun + Debuffs + DOTS + Absolute Damage + Shield Trash KB/Dull + Block Inc + Critical Parry Inc... Vs. 2H Skill Delays, go figure

I'm not being biased here as I am a 2H Swd / Cleric...

Only downside to a 1H Sword / Warlock is that it's not a party pvp class...

Hehe, @ 90 cap I'm gonna farm for both 1H & 2H and Cleric... Every noobs in my server now are 2H/Cleric... LoL!

2H Swd/Cleric will own the other, he can get immun to debuffs through cleric skill holy word...and he can heal himself better than a warlock can do it oO

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:14 am

2h/cleric can't own a 1hand/warlock, are you kidding me?

the 1hand can knockback and stun and dull until the 2h gives up.
its the most annoying build ever.
and with dull, you won't even need to cast all your debuffs or anything that can get past holy spell, cuz you dont need them against the 2h build because of the pot delay.

stun+shield crush dull+ critical parry + high defense +shield blocks

over what? 2hand damage that is nullified by dull and knockback?

and this is WITH holy spell on the 2hand, if the 2hand doesnt invest in holy word/spell, then its not even a fair pvp

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:20 am

OMG
its like 4th-5th month we got euro update and only 2ppl here know this game... if it would be allowed id say stop playing afk in this game cuz u suck and u dont have any idea about sro...

1h+warlock will loose to 2h+cleric

2h+cleric will be immune to all debuffs of warlock (dulls, divisions etc...)

only thing that 1h+warlock can do to 2h+cleric is kb and count on 15crts in row to win... cuz when ur opponent using holy spell 1h+warlock becomin just a 1h warrior <-i think its even worse than 1:1 hybrid rogue/wizzard

every str build wit cleric as a subclass is unkillable in pvp (if he is smart and know when to use cleric subclass)

holy ward is noob cleric skill its weaker than HOLY SPELL <- i suggest to use that skill:>

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:41 am

holy spell prevents dull?

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:49 am

IowU wrote:OMG
its like 4th-5th month we got euro update and only 2ppl here know this game... if it would be allowed id say stop playing afk in this game cuz u suck and u dont have any idea about sro...

only thing that 1h+warlock can do to 2h+cleric is kb and count on 15crts in row to win... cuz when ur opponent using holy spell 1h+warlock becomin just a 1h warrior <-i think its even worse than 1:1 hybrid rogue/wizzard

every str build wit cleric as a subclass is unkillable in pvp (if he is smart and know when to use cleric subclass)

holy ward is noob cleric skill its weaker than HOLY SPELL <- i suggest to use that skill:>

Please don't suggest people don't know the game when you yourself are incorrect in assuming a cleric with Holy Spell renders the Warlock class useless.

There are plenty of skills that are still fully functional even though your opponent is immune. Here's a few:

1- Reflect/ Advanced Reflect- Returns damage to the opponent (90% damage return for Advanced Reflect)
2- Daze- Stun. No one is immune to stun, and Daze is no exception.
3- Wheel Bind- Gives Panic Status. You think a 15 sec. pot delay is bad? Try 20 seconds.
4- Vampire Touch/Kiss- Still have the ability to leech HP.

And..

"every str build wit cleric as a subclass is unkillable in pvp (if he is smart and know when to use cleric subclass)"

That pretty much counts for everyone. If they know how to use their build, they'll be 'unkillable' in PvP.

StacE · Post by **StacE** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:13 am

Panic renders cleric useless almost. Bless is the only skill remaining.

Rogue/Cleric will stand a good fight against a warrior/warlock.

2h/Cleric will lose to a warrior/warlock. The warlock can stun - leech hp - panic. KB + Stun from warrior skills also. The 2h wont be able to let off a daredevil because every time he charges, do a shield crush and it is canceled. The 1h warrior gets to use 1 pot. Which will heal quite a bit. Whilst the 2h gets no pots/recovery division help.

Then it's just 2-3 chains until the 2h falls down.

My money would go on a skilled warrior warlock.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:22 am

StacE wrote:Panic renders cleric useless almost. Bless is the only skill remaining.

Rogue/Cleric will stand a good fight against a warrior/warlock.

2h/Cleric will lose to a warrior/warlock. The warlock can stun - leech hp - panic. KB + Stun from warrior skills also. The 2h wont be able to let off a daredevil because every time he charges, do a shield crush and it is canceled. The 1h warrior gets to use 1 pot. Which will heal quite a bit. Whilst the 2h gets no pots/recovery division help.

Then it's just 2-3 chains until the 2h falls down.

My money would go on a skilled warrior warlock.

and if the shield crush kb fails theres always the quick sprint assault :wink:

if i saw a daredevil coming my way, id prob just spam crush or assault, if i had the warlock rod out, stun right away.

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:58 pm

well if i can kill 1h+warlock like Vapore (wit rogue/cleric) 2h sword will kill him easier due to more powerfull skillz...

and btw u always can start pvp from cleric subclas....
bind the guy (he wont be able to kb u) than u cast 3hit combo
6583+5802+6583 dmg in less than 10s than start to fight...

1- Reflect/ Advanced Reflect- Returns damage to the opponent (90% damage return for Advanced Reflect)
2- Daze- Stun. No one is immune to stun, and Daze is no exception.
3- Wheel Bind- Gives Panic Status. You think a 15 sec. pot delay is bad? Try 20 seconds.
4- Vampire Touch/Kiss- Still have the ability to leech HP.

1. 2h sword wont be able to 1hit him self
2. stun daze notin special... dmg of an 1h sword w/o dull or division on opponent is so weak that 2h can take him afk and still 1h wont be able to kill him
3. dmg of an 1h is too low w/o dull and division to hurt 2h even if 2h will have 25s pot delay
4. leeching hp is to weak to make any diffrence to 2h+cleric which can cast recovery division healing cycle and instant skill 6k heal...

u should listen to vapore who actually got 80lvl 1h+warlock char fully farmed i think he will kno a bit more than u since he pvp a lot and most important thing he kno how to pvp...

btw vapore join us in perfect world its much better game than sro... :>

i still cant belive that u think the pvp in sro is face to face dmg till some dies...

and why no one mentioned about bless spell?

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