The Bible is Bullsh1t!!!

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:36 pm

Overcome wrote:
Good bye SRF the only thing you have done for me is realize that there are more ignorant people in the world than I though. Haha fuuck you thread creator.

Hmmm, just because you can't argue, don't call others ignorant. Oh, and check your spelling/grammar. Oh, and smarty, defend your beliefs if you can, but if you can't, don't resort to childish ramblings and insults like "**** you!" it really is embarassing

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:35 pm

anyone of the Judo-Islam-Christian faiths including satanism makes my penis soft...but i'll watch the video later seeing as its got so many ppl upset...

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:47 pm

XemnasXD wrote:anyone of the Judo-Islam-Christian faiths including satanism makes my penis soft...but i'll watch the video later seeing as its got so many ppl upset...

dude, like wtf?

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:59 pm

JacksColon wrote:
Overcome wrote:
Good bye SRF the only thing you have done for me is realize that there are more ignorant people in the world than I though. Haha fuuck you thread creator.

Hmmm, just because you can't argue, don't call others ignorant. Oh, and check your spelling/grammar. Oh, and smarty, defend your beliefs if you can, but if you can't, don't resort to childish ramblings and insults like "**** you!" it really is embarassing

*claps*

iGod · Post by **iGod** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:30 pm

Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

redneck · Post by **redneck** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:55 pm

For those people who are relatively irrational (at least when it comes to religion), I think religion is actually a boon. It provides them with comfort and hope, which helps them keep good mental health, which then leads to good physical health. As well, religion provides a reason to do things and a purpose for people to fulfill, and this helps them make more morally correct decisions even though morality is not based in religion. Even if it isn't accurate, it helps people move through their lives.

What's really underlying many "religious" disputes is ethnicity, money, and national distinctions, factors that would exist regardless of whether anyone had ever heard the word "God." The fighting in Israel today, for example, is not primarily about religion--Jews, Muslims and Christians have coexisted fairly peacefully in that area for most of the last 1,300 years. Until recently, the Holy Land fighting was mainly about land, and whom it's been promised to. Palestinians hated Israelis because they viewed them as oppressors, not because they were Jews--although that hatred has turned lately to anti-Semitism. Israelis hated Palestinians because they viewed them as terrorists, not because they were Muslims--although, lately the hatred has turned anti-Muslim. If the land dispute could be resolved, the religious dispute would rapidly fade to secondary or tertiary status--though ethnic tensions pitting Ashkenazim and Sephardim against Arabs might drone on.

Similar ethnic, class, and nationalistic disputes underlie pretty much every fight that looks on the surface to be about religion. Suppose the Christian and Islamic faiths vanished. Sept. 11 might still have happened. Within the Arab world, where many resent the West, violent fanatics might have vowed to kill themselves solely on secular grounds. Indeed, it can be argued that since the mass murderers of Sept. 11 openly violated the Quranic prohibition against killing the innocent, they weren't true Muslims anyway. What they were was terrorist fanatics. And a certain number of people like this would exist in the world whether religious faith existed or not.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:03 pm

redneck wrote:Similar ethnic, class, and nationalistic disputes underlie pretty much every fight that looks on the surface to be about religion. Suppose the Christian and Islamic faiths vanished. Sept. 11 might still have happened. Within the Arab world, where many resent the West, violent fanatics might have vowed to kill themselves solely on secular grounds. Indeed, it can be argued that since the mass murderers of Sept. 11 openly violated the Quranic prohibition against killing the innocent, they weren't true Muslims anyway. What they were was terrorist fanatics. And a certain number of people like this would exist in the world whether religious faith existed or not.

I think that sept 11 and other events happen because of religon. If you think about it, there are so many wars that start because of religion-related stuff.

For example WWII and Hitler's holocaust, the crusades (yes, I'm sure many people died in the crusades), and nows theres trouble in the middle east because shi'ites and kurds, etc are too stupid to get along with each other.

conflicts happen when religious fanatics think their religion is the best. I don't care what religion you believe in, just respect other religions

redneck · Post by **redneck** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:07 pm

Jstar1 wrote:
redneck wrote:Similar ethnic, class, and nationalistic disputes underlie pretty much every fight that looks on the surface to be about religion. Suppose the Christian and Islamic faiths vanished. Sept. 11 might still have happened. Within the Arab world, where many resent the West, violent fanatics might have vowed to kill themselves solely on secular grounds. Indeed, it can be argued that since the mass murderers of Sept. 11 openly violated the Quranic prohibition against killing the innocent, they weren't true Muslims anyway. What they were was terrorist fanatics. And a certain number of people like this would exist in the world whether religious faith existed or not.

I think that sept 11 and other events happen because of religon. If you think about it, there are so many wars that start because of religion-related stuff.

For example WWII and Hitler's holocaust, the crusades (yes, I'm sure many people died in the crusades), and nows theres trouble in the middle east because shi'ites and kurds, etc are too stupid to get along with each other.

conflicts happen when religious fanatics think their religion is the best. I don't care what religion you believe in, just respect other religions

What's really underlying many "religious" disputes is ethnicity, money, and national distinctions, factors that would exist regardless of whether anyone had ever heard the word "God."

Draquish · Post by **Draquish** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:19 pm

IMO it doesn't matter why it happened, it already did; get over it, move on.

If I want to sacrifice my firstborn son to a vacuum cleaner, then let that be it and go on with your life. :roll:

- People are always going to differ from you, religious or not, everyone always tries to persuade, force, or "enlighten" people into accepting their views on life, and to be honest with ya'll, it's pretty aggravating. :roll:

Sometimes I think that for every 600 years or so, the human kind gains one year of maturity...hey, maybe by 12600 A.D. we'll be smart enough to find out a way to...you know...live...and...not kill each other...and...stuff...

...

-Draquish

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:25 pm

[SD]draquish wrote:IMO it doesn't matter why it happened...

But it does it the context of this thread. It's a religious discussion and not about the future.

shoto · Post by **shoto** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:37 pm

i think he started the show perfectly

when he said "if you are a person of faith, then you won't buy this so its not for you"

there you go, no need to argue with each other. If you are a person of faith then you will not buy this no matter the amount of evidence

Burningwolf · Post by **Burningwolf** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:16 pm

wow
now i have a better argument against my mother
since i live in a christian home an im atheist :banghead:

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:51 pm

iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:09 am

Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

Foilin · Post by **Foilin** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:32 am

People have faults. religion is awesome, it gives hope and reasons to be the best you can. What messes up religion are the people, people ruin it! Just as it says in the bible "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." I have many faults, and im not going to blame them on God! the Problem started with man being disobedient, and causing his own demise. and then there are the people who take religion too far, like the person in this thread who said he would IP trace you and murder your family for saying the bible is bullsh*t, he is taking it too far and ignoring commandments that he himself claims to believe in, does this mean hes a bad person? not at all, just a sinner like you and me. Jesus came so that we can come and aske to be forgiven, and someday join Him. What you believe is your choice, and choices have consequences but im not the judge.

Anyways. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:44 am

Foilin wrote:What messes up religion are the people, people ruin it!

the idea of utopia is awesome, but people ..... it up.

u can't have an idea and not take into account humanity. what u gonna do, force religion on rats and see where that goes?

we make the ideas what they are. if we weren't around, there wouldn't be religion in the sense of the word. we created a ..... up idea and it led us through shit.

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:50 am

Foilin wrote:...it gives false hope and reasons to be the best you can so you don't go to hell. What messes up religion are the people, people ruin it (people created it)!...I have many faults, and im not going to blame them on God! (No one would blame you for not talking to an imaginary being) the Problem started with man being disobedient, and causing his own demise (que?)..., does this mean hes a bad person? not at all (LOL!), just a sinner like you and me (Diff between sinning and a being bad?!?). Jesus came so that we can come and aske to be forgiven, and someday join Him.(Forgiven for what? Being born, living a life?) What you believe is your choice (And as much as I like sci-fi I choose not to believe it), and choices have consequences but im not the judge. (Good.)

Anyways. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
May the force be with you too!

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:13 pm

Nuklear wrote:
Foilin wrote:...it gives false hope and reasons to be the best you can so you don't go to hell. What messes up religion are the people, people ruin it (people created it)!...I have many faults, and im not going to blame them on God! (No one would blame you for not talking to an imaginary being) the Problem started with man being disobedient, and causing his own demise (que?)..., does this mean hes a bad person? not at all (LOL!), just a sinner like you and me (Diff between sinning and a being bad?!?). Jesus came so that we can come and aske to be forgiven, and someday join Him.(Forgiven for what? Being born, living a life?) What you believe is your choice (And as much as I like sci-fi I choose not to believe it), and choices have consequences but im not the judge. (Good.)

Anyways. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
May the force be with you too!

AMAZING!

vindicated01 · Post by **vindicated01** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:21 pm

guys keep your own belief in yourself..

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:11 pm

Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

prove it.

Aby · Post by **Aby** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:16 pm

You are all missing the point. The bible is not supposed to be a historical document....

The stories themselves have no value, it's the morals behind them that you're supposed to understand.

The long debated topic of whether or not Jesus was a real historical figure is irrelevant, because it doesn't change the metaphors, the archetypes, or the parallels, that the bible is meant to teach.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:19 pm

Vandall wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

prove it.

well, I'm talking about the most fantastic stories. Stuff like David and Goliath most likely happened but who heard of a guy named Samson who became a superman if he didn't cut his hair? Or the nile river turning into blood to punish the egyptians? I'm sure Moses led the isralies to modern day israel territory but I doubt the nile river ever turned to blood

Midori · Post by **Midori** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:20 pm

Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

prove it.

well, I'm talking about the most fantastic stories. Stuff like David and Goliath most likely happened but who heard of a guy named Samson who became a superman if he didn't cut his hair? Or the nile river turning into blood to punish the egyptians? I'm sure Moses led the isralies to modern day israel territory but I doubt the nile river ever turned to blood

but there wasn't any jews in egypt...

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:24 pm

X-Lax wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

prove it.

well, I'm talking about the most fantastic stories. Stuff like David and Goliath most likely happened but who heard of a guy named Samson who became a superman if he didn't cut his hair? Or the nile river turning into blood to punish the egyptians? I'm sure Moses led the isralies to modern day israel territory but I doubt the nile river ever turned to blood

but there wasn't any jews in egypt...

then where did the jews come from? look I'm not downplaying the bible, just saying that people shouldn't claim that everything in the bible is true.

Jabo · Post by **Jabo** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:22 pm

No, bible isnt bullshit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBBwKWSxoMI

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:32 am

Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Vandall wrote:
iGod wrote:Well most people who believe the bible events actually happened are religious fanatics, and most likely to crack under pressure, mentally unstable people.

absolutely wrong.

the bible events probably happened but obviously did not have any mythical or fantastic elements to it. Honestly, I read bible stories for fun, and nearly all of them probably didn't happen as it says in the book. And when people tell me ther all true and I should believe them, then I think they are not reasonable

prove it.

well, I'm talking about the most fantastic stories. Stuff like David and Goliath most likely happened but who heard of a guy named Samson who became a superman if he didn't cut his hair? Or the nile river turning into blood to punish the egyptians? I'm sure Moses led the isralies to modern day israel territory but I doubt the nile river ever turned to blood

just because something sounds supernatural doesn't mean it's untrue. and you still never proved it, just elaborated on what you already said.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:31 am

the hypocrisy in this thread is getting out of control....why is it that people who have never been tolerant of those with opposing ideals or lifestyles are suddenly preaching like Jesus want acceptance and being non-judgmental....

The main problem with religion is not the Dogma, its not ethnicity, money, and national distinctions. The problem is hypocrisy. How can you preach peace and love when you worship a god that is intolerant of anything that does not worship him and would take it so far as to burn cities and flood the world. The Judo-Christian-Islamic religions are flawed by hypocrisy from the very start and from that all disputes, dogma, and misunderstanding are formed. Those religions are tools of war, oppression, and violence while they may bring happiness and make some content someone somewhere is paying the price for that.....

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:33 am

Well said X.

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:28 am

XemnasXD wrote:the hypocrisy in this thread is getting out of control....why is it that people who have never been tolerant of those with opposing ideals or lifestyles are suddenly preaching like Jesus want acceptance and being non-judgmental....

The main problem with religion is not the Dogma, its not ethnicity, money, and national distinctions. The problem is hypocrisy. How can you preach peace and love when you worship a god that is intolerant of anything that does not worship him and would take it so far as to burn cities and flood the world. The Judo-Christian-Islamic religions are flawed by hypocrisy from the very start and from that all disputes, dogma, and misunderstanding are formed. Those religions are tools of war, oppression, and violence while they may bring happiness and make some content someone somewhere is paying the price for that.....

I hate how, when I go to church, people tell me that I'm going to hell for not believing in god. Its both disturbing and rude.

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:51 am

XemnasXD wrote:the hypocrisy in this thread is getting out of control....why is it that people who have never been tolerant of those with opposing ideals or lifestyles are suddenly preaching like Jesus want acceptance and being non-judgmental....

The main problem with religion is not the Dogma, its not ethnicity, money, and national distinctions. The problem is hypocrisy. How can you preach peace and love when you worship a god that is intolerant of anything that does not worship him and would take it so far as to burn cities and flood the world. The Judo-Christian-Islamic religions are flawed by hypocrisy from the very start and from that all disputes, dogma, and misunderstanding are formed. Those religions are tools of war, oppression, and violence while they may bring happiness and make some content someone somewhere is paying the price for that.....

Aby wrote:You are all missing the point. The bible is not supposed to be a historical document....

The stories themselves have no value, it's the morals behind them that you're supposed to understand.

The long debated topic of whether or not Jesus was a real historical figure is irrelevant, because it doesn't change the metaphors, the archetypes, or the parallels, that the bible is meant to teach.

Both well stated points, i think this topic is as good as done