wizard, sub-class bard

[HellsAdvocate]

euro botters usually get cleric as a subclass, or people that get plvled, legits usually get bard as a sub class.

[ShadowSpell]

[quote="HellsAdvocate"]euro botters usually get cleric as a subclass, or people that get plvled, legits usually get bard as a sub class.[/quot

in you opinion what do legits get? and what good does a cleric sub do for a botter?

[John_Doe]

He thinks cleric is a bad subclassLOL

Esecially for wizard..

Yeah speed + aggro resistance > better armor, better def, better pvp, the ability to kill giants..

Obviously tho

Aby has a lvl 72+ wiz?

Nah didn't think so. Let me break it down for you.

Armor + def = Same thing. Understand right? Not hard to comprehend yet. Now, to hit high, you want to be using life force. Using life force makes every wizard regardless of ARMOR TYPE a 1 or 2 hit. So gg to your unexperienced theory.

Better pvp? Nah don't think so.

Giants? I do fine WITH life force and no sub cleric vs a Giant Sniper.

People Like Aby should seriously go make a Wizard, lvl it past 16 and then provide a theory. Hell maby even hand grind it huh.

Even know ANYTHING at all about wizards ?

so what your saying is having a buff that increases your phy defence by 900 and your mag defence by 1600 is pointless?, when im jobbing or pvping and have that one and then put on earth barrier I can withstand a ss emperor, mars, and a ss soul, yep and also a skill that takes away abnormal status, and then one that auto heals you are useless, and again I will say it, what good is noise, you must be one of the only people that I know that is trying to keep lvl 75+ mobs away from you, I have a hard enough time finding enough of them considering the whole area is over ran with bots.

remember your not the only one with those buffs half the population of euros in most servers are clerics so you arn't that special in anyway...you can bless so what so can all the others they'll just come back and bless and what you gonna do then just safezone till your bless is reloaded? Both sides with bless and buffs on only thing that will change the damage is bard buffs. I'd rather be invisble running with 80% increase then wasteing 200k every 30 minutes and being the target of every warrior, glavier, everybody cause I'm useing bless and buffs.

[Crumpets]

so what your saying is having a buff that increases your phy defence by 900 and your mag defence by 1600 is pointless?, when im jobbing or pvping and have that one and then put on earth barrier I can withstand a ss emperor, mars, and a ss soul, yep and also a skill that takes away abnormal status, and then one that auto heals you are useless, and again I will say it, what good is noise, you must be one of the only people that I know that is trying to keep lvl 75+ mobs away from you, I have a hard enough time finding enough of them considering the whole area is over ran with bots.

Yeah I am saying that lol : >

You talk about jobbing as if you solo job. I don't. I job with multiple other euro's and Chinese. Every single euro in my pt ALWAYS has a cleric cub. Hence I get blessed. Yeah it's a good skill. But I won't waste sp on something I won't personally use.

I did not say I try to keep 75+ mobs away from me. I'm just saying it's helpful when let's say: Going for yarkan. I HATE when I'm running to find yarkan and a mage kills my horse ... Noise solves that problem for me.

[Idontknow]

I am also a wizard/bard, The marching+noise help alot in grinding. For the people who hate botter, this may be the build for you. First you have to have two computers or are in party. Then, you try to generate party monster (pre-em party giant is even better) and try to lurk it to the suspect bot. Then, you try to calm the monster down using one of your bard skill. The party monster should try to attack the bot. Then, you just need to repeat this lurking exerise until the bot is dead...... It is funnn.......to getting someone (especially bot that KS) killed without getting murder status yourself.

[shoto]

i don't know

I guess it comes down to preference. Would you rather have/give def/str buffs or would you rather walk faster and non aggro? Also Bard is a unique build, as crumpets said it is alot less used and having it bring something new to a party, while pretty much everyone has Bard Sub.i can definitely see how the bard can be good while unique hunting but i can also see why cleric would be great in PVP/war for the buffs.


IMO the speed can be made up by drugs or scrolls. Personally, i have enough money to buy scrolls or drugs (or make them) so i don't even consider the ability to run faster when i choose between bard and cleric.

I really can't say if one is better than the other. I think both offer a different way to build your character

@ hellsadvocate
I don't know why you would think a botter would use one over the other...i don't see how that is relevant to this topic.

[ShadowSpell]

so what your saying is having a buff that increases your phy defence by 900 and your mag defence by 1600 is pointless?, when im jobbing or pvping and have that one and then put on earth barrier I can withstand a ss emperor, mars, and a ss soul, yep and also a skill that takes away abnormal status, and then one that auto heals you are useless, and again I will say it, what good is noise, you must be one of the only people that I know that is trying to keep lvl 75+ mobs away from you, I have a hard enough time finding enough of them considering the whole area is over ran with bots.

Yeah I am saying that lol : >

You talk about jobbing as if you solo job. I don't. I job with multiple other euro's and Chinese. Every single euro in my pt ALWAYS has a cleric cub. Hence I get blessed. Yeah it's a good skill. But I won't waste sp on something I won't personally use.

I did not say I try to keep 75+ mobs away from me. I'm just saying it's helpful when let's say: Going for yarkan. I HATE when I'm running to find yarkan and a mage kills my horse ... Noise solves that problem for me.

yes i job in groups and we spead out looking for traders, if I find one with 1-2 hunters I buff myself and take them both out and dont die if I get a mars hit on me, I can kill the first one before they know what hit them and usually have the second one hit once before he knows im there (I always kill the 1 hit hunter first) and sometimes I do solo, the other night I found 2 5stars with 4 hunters and managed to kill all 4 lvl 80's when the traders first double spawn came out, I poped a elephant and got away with 1mil in goods.

[Crumpets]

i don't know

I guess it comes down to preference. Would you rather have/give def/str buffs or would you rather walk faster and non aggro? Also Bard is a unique build, as crumpets said it is alot less used and having it bring something new to a party, while pretty much everyone has Bard Sub.i can definitely see how the bard can be good while unique hunting but i can also see why cleric would be great in PVP/war for the buffs.


IMO the speed can be made up by drugs or scrolls. Personally, i have enough money to buy scrolls or drugs (or make them) so i don't even consider the ability to run faster when i choose between bard and cleric.

I really can't say if one is better than the other. I think both offer a different way to build your character

Indeed, it's all a way of preference : >

I love this tho. Makes a party pretty much invincible and powerful as fuck:

[ShadowSpell]

i don't know

I guess it comes down to preference. Would you rather have/give def/str buffs or would you rather walk faster and non aggro? Also Bard is a unique build, as crumpets said it is alot less used and having it bring something new to a party, while pretty much everyone has Bard Sub.i can definitely see how the bard can be good while unique hunting but i can also see why cleric would be great in PVP/war for the buffs.


IMO the speed can be made up by drugs or scrolls. Personally, i have enough money to buy scrolls or drugs (or make them) so i don't even consider the ability to run faster when i choose between bard and cleric.

I really can't say if one is better than the other. I think both offer a different way to build your character

Indeed, it's all a way of preference : >

I love this tho. Makes a party pretty much invincible and powerful as fuck:

I agree its all preference, some like bard, some like cleric, but reverse obvilion is really nice to, its always nice to make a fallen person into a tanker, most people dont realise when someone is ressed with that you might as not even try to kill them unless its 3 on 1 and it still takes alot, also works great when someone spawns mercs (or did in the past),what mag attack increase does bard have? or was it defence?

[Crumpets]

I agree its all preference, some like bard, some like cleric, but reverse obvilion is really nice to, its always nice to make a fallen person into a tanker, most people dont realise when someone is ressed with that you might as not even try to kill them unless its 3 on 1 and it still takes alot, also works great when someone spawns mercs (or did in the past),what mag attack increase does bard have? or was it defence?

Base solo = 20% phy or mag defense.

If you dance you either get 30+% phy or mag attack + the opposite of what the first bard was doing.
For example:

Bard 1 = 20% phy defense buff
Bard 2 = Dancing for 30% phy attack and uses 20% mag defense buff.

[ShadowSpell]

I agree its all preference, some like bard, some like cleric, but reverse obvilion is really nice to, its always nice to make a fallen person into a tanker, most people dont realise when someone is ressed with that you might as not even try to kill them unless its 3 on 1 and it still takes alot, also works great when someone spawns mercs (or did in the past),what mag attack increase does bard have? or was it defence?

Base solo = 20% phy or mag defense.

If you dance you either get 30+% phy or mag attack + the opposite of what the first bard was doing.
For example:

Bard 1 = 20% phy defense buff
Bard 2 = Dancing for 30% phy attack and uses 20% mag defense buff.

but there is nothing for a solo user to increase their mag attack right?

[John_Doe]

I agree its all preference, some like bard, some like cleric, but reverse obvilion is really nice to, its always nice to make a fallen person into a tanker, most people dont realise when someone is ressed with that you might as not even try to kill them unless its 3 on 1 and it still takes alot, also works great when someone spawns mercs (or did in the past),what mag attack increase does bard have? or was it defence?

Base solo = 20% phy or mag defense.

If you dance you either get 30+% phy or mag attack + the opposite of what the first bard was doing.
For example:

Bard 1 = 20% phy defense buff
Bard 2 = Dancing for 30% phy attack and uses 20% mag defense buff.

but there is nothing for a solo user to increase their mag attack right?

life turnover already does that what more do you want?