Racist topics

[XemnasXD]

TURK is a race

No it's not. It's an ethnic group if anything.

Say you were born in the US and moved to Turkey. You're still black, white, asian or whatever, even after you cross into their border. Unless somehow borders are some kind of invisible race changing device.

American isn't a race, French isn't a race, British isn't a race. Those are nationalities, just like being Turkish. Though in some cases you could say it's an ethnic group, like being Irish for instance.

According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin .....

so still racist

Well, the UN is wrong and trying to be politically correct to save their own asses then.

don't see how thats saving their ass...in fact limiting the definition of racism would mean they'd have to do less work and could ignore more things

[Colb]

You guys are missing the point.


According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin .....


That is only the United Nations view of racial discrimination. It's not saying ethnic groups / nationalities are now considered individual races. It's only saying that discrimination upon an individual for his/her involvement in any of the above is to be considered racial discrimination under guidelines set forth by the UNIC.

And a Turk is not an individual race. Like others said before me; American is not an individual race. It is a nationality/ethnicity.

[Reise]

You guys are missing the point.


According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin .....


That is only the United Nations view of racial discrimination. It's not saying ethnic groups / nationalities are now considered individual races. It's only saying that discrimination upon an individual for his/her involvement in any of the above is to be considered racial discrimination under guidelines set forth by the UNIC.

And a Turk is not an individual race. Like others said before me; American is not an individual race. It is a nationality/ethnicity.

Exactly

don't see how thats saving their ass...in fact limiting the definition of racism would mean they'd have to do less work and could ignore more things

Which makes perfect sense. Instead of indirectly making some discrimination "ok" by narrowing the criteria, they just file it all under racism to keep people from bitching.

[shoto]

"the UN is wrong"

Hah, that exactly the type of mentality that now got us into the Iraq war.

but whatever. yeah "The UN is covering its ass...they are all a bunch of elites with plans to bring back the Nazis and donsaurs"

Can't win a debate against conspiracy theorist.


to Reise
here is another definition for race
The term race describes an ethnic group, tribe, or other set of individuals descended from a common ancestor. It commonly serves to distinguish between populations or groups of people based on different sets of characteristics. ...
from wikipedia

Race is a term that is meant to be broad to encompass everything. What people fail to realize is that color is not the only thing that defines race.

[Reise]

"the UN is wrong"

Hah, that exactly the type of mentality that now got us into the Iraq war.

but whatever. yeah "The UN is covering its ass...they are all a bunch of elites with plans to bring back the Nazis and donsaurs"

Can't win a debate against conspiracy theorist.

You don't read people too well do you?

lol

I said they're "wrong" because it's not really like the UN has dominion over the actual definitions of words or what is or isn't racism.

[shoto]

"the UN is wrong"

Hah, that exactly the type of mentality that now got us into the Iraq war.

but whatever. yeah "The UN is covering its ass...they are all a bunch of elites with plans to bring back the Nazis and donsaurs"

Can't win a debate against conspiracy theorist.

You don't read people too well do you?

lol

I said they're "wrong" because it's not really like the UN has dominion over the actual definitions of words or what is or isn't racism.

then who has the dominion over the word. Thankfully not you

It doesn't really matter why the UN is wrong because the definition of racism is the same whether it is taken from the UN or from Oxford.

UN stands for United Nations. That carries some authority. Way more than you could ever muster

for me the definition is clear. But it is not for clear for you. So for people like you, i provided some authority figure that could at least make you think twice. The UN are not a bunch of retards trying to be politically correct. They are world leaders and with that comes experience in matters of how people relate to each other on an international level. Which definition would you use to define race?


riese you miss the point of this thread. I'm not arguing the term racism. I'm arguing the sentiment. it is true that Turk is not a race per say. But it is an ethnicity and therefore discriminating based on ethnicity is considered racism. Believe me there is a wide consensus on this topic (ie ethnic descriminaton is racial descrimination) and i'm not sure where you are really coming from.


But i mean i'll back what i say up
definitions for Race

OXFORD

each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. 2 racial origin or distinction: rights based on race. 3 a group of people sharing the same culture, language, etc.; an ethnic group . 4 a group of people or things with a common feature. 5 Biology a distinct population within a species; a subspecies.

WEBSTER

a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics


Do you need more definitions?

[MrBow]

And a Turk is not an individual race. Like others said before me; American is not an individual race. It is a nationality/ethnicity.

Wrong. Being American is indeed a nationality, but is not an ethnicity. The American population have their roots from immigration (Europe, Africa, South-America). The only ethnicity in the US are the indians.

[Colb]

And a Turk is not an individual race. Like others said before me; American is not an individual race. It is a nationality/ethnicity.

Wrong. Being American is indeed a nationality, but is not an ethnicity. The American population have their roots from immigration (Europe, Africa, South-America). The only ethnicity in the US are the indians.

Ok, I worded it wrong. I still got the nationality part right.

[ghostkilla43]

im not racis, i love all white people

[Reise]

then who has the dominion over the word. Thankfully not you

It doesn't really matter why the UN is wrong because the definition of racism is the same whether it is taken from the UN or from Oxford.

UN stands for United Nations. That carries some authority. Way more than you could ever muster

for me the definition is clear. But it is not for clear for you. So for people like you, i provided some authority figure that could at least make you think twice. The UN are not a bunch of retards trying to be politically correct. They are world leaders and with that comes experience in matters of how people relate to each other on an international level. Which definition would you use to define race?


riese you miss the point of this thread. I'm not arguing the term racism. I'm arguing the sentiment. it is true that Turk is not a race per say. But it is an ethnicity and therefore discriminating based on ethnicity is considered racism. Believe me there is a wide consensus on this topic (ie ethnic descriminaton is racial descrimination) and i'm not sure where you are really coming from.


But i mean i'll back what i say up
definitions for Race

OXFORD

each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. 2 racial origin or distinction: rights based on race. 3 a group of people sharing the same culture, language, etc.; an ethnic group . 4 a group of people or things with a common feature. 5 Biology a distinct population within a species; a subspecies.

WEBSTER

a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics


Do you need more definitions?

The definition of the word is definitely not clear, otherwise you wouldn't have made this thread. And IMO that is the point of this discussion.

[Jstar1]

so what are you implying?

that making fun of turks is ok since its not "racism" according to your literal interpretations?

if somebody made fun of america as a whole like "all americans are fat" or "americans are imperialists" I'd consider that near to racism since there is discrimination involved

[Barotix]

they made it ambiguous so people would stfu, everywhere i turn the moment you say anything regarding a nationality ethnic group or a "race" [which is a word that should be disbanded all together, but thats for another thread] automatically you're so racist OMGZ!!! i have only met a few people [in Georgia, and in these Forums] who have used that word properly [the word being racist], but i am still a child [16], and have yet to see the world as it is. My scope is very narrow and only spans parts of Asia, America, Africa, and Europe. As for NYC yeah people make the distinction, not until i moved to the 48th dumbest state in the Union [Georgia] did i start hearing people throw around the word Racism, and Racist like it means nothing.

now back to the main question;
racism, racist, race, bigotry, bigot, prejudice, nationality and ethnicity [their all related] where do you make the distinction? when is something truly an act of racism, and not prejudice feelings [judging before hand Pre - Judge].

[make note that Xemnas outlined the pattern pretty damn well which is: Prejudice Feelings when reinforced by Stereotypical Behavior leads to Bigotry against a group of people with common creeds beliefs or backgrounds. This eventually Leads to a Deep-Seated Hate for said group of people fueling feelings of superiority and false pride, turning into what used to be called racism.]

UN definition Shorthand version: Racism = Bigotry, no questions asked.

Continue please i am enjoying this topic.

so what are you implying?

that making fun of turks is ok since its not "racism" according to your literal interpretations?

if somebody made fun of america as a whole like "all americans are fat" or "americans are imperialists" I'd consider that near to racism since there is discrimination involved

Damn you see what this shit is causing look what that man just typed -_-

[Millenium]

Racisem Will Not Be Toloerated on this forum nor will it stay here
the last topic i will make sure somthing goes though. All Racits Remarks Do Not Escape without a Heavy Warning

Ill move this to Off Topic for now

I think you should have moved it to Site Discussion but I you anyway.

[Reise]

so what are you implying?

that making fun of turks is ok since its not "racism" according to your literal interpretations?

if somebody made fun of america as a whole like "all americans are fat" or "americans are imperialists" I'd consider that near to racism since there is discrimination involved

Like I said before it's not racism, it's just being an asshole. Read what Barotix says, he gets it too.

[Colb]

so what are you implying?

that making fun of turks is ok since its not "racism" according to your literal interpretations?

if somebody made fun of america as a whole like "all americans are fat" or "americans are imperialists" I'd consider that near to racism since there is discrimination involved

Like I said before it's not racism, it's just being an asshole. Read what Barotix says, he gets it too.

I wouldn't call it racism, but I would call it discrimination.

[XemnasXD]

Ok what if i said "All mexicans are stupid"

that could me just being an asshole

that could also be me being a bigot though

as well as me just having prejudices

that could also be taken as an example of racism against Latinos/hispanics



I think thats where the definitions get blurry. Because people don't know the difference between each word when they make an insult the comment leaves itself open to be interpreted several ways one of which is racist and thats how you get an overuse of the word...

A bigoted example of the same comment would be "I don't think Mexicans are smarter than Americans."

A prejudice example would be "All Mexicans are stupid"

A racist example would be "I hate/loathe/am-disgusted-by stupid Mexicans "


The comment is clearly one of prejudice however it would be impossible to tell if the user intended it as a racist/prejudice/bigoted comment because few people truly know the difference....its like trying to get people to see the difference between Sky Blue, Robins Eggs Blue, and Baby Blue(an ex). Im sure certain paint catalogs carry all those colors and list them as such but most people wouldn't be able to tell nor take the time to make the distinction between them because they are so subtle so its easier to just say they all light blue and be done with it which is basically what the UN did. No need weeding thought 8 pages of technical terms and BS when the person/people are most likely just plan racist or have racist ideas and thoughts that they are willing to act on.