For those who got hacked in SRO !

[knubbka]

and then some korean machine tells you:

"In order to prevent hacking issues we are strongly recommend you to buy more silk next time, we are doing everything for the best smooth experience blah blah blah bsbbsbs"

[OL_Spongey]

They must likey will buy an answering machine if you spam there phone

[jabbers]

ya call them in court good idea, better hire Ben Matlock , he gets results

[MrBow]

I'm sorry but JM doesn't care and doesn't do anything about the hackings.

[OL_Spongey]

Next?...

[OL_Spongey]

your not the first to complain about getting hacked on here

[ShadowSpell]

Next? ...that truly showed how smart you are and how cool you all are around here.

all I have seen multiple times is someone talking big about sueing JM, this isnt the first time and if I remember corectly you were saying this same crap about 3-4 months back about your lawyer and Microsoft and what, you still havent done anything? if you going to do something then post AFTER you have and not try to rally people on your idiotic ideas that everyone knows you wont move forward with.

[jabbers]

well than let Judge Joe Brown rule on the matter he is fair an unbias

[jabbers]

by the way those guys are just make-believe

[LordOffWar]

hey thanks i bin looking for that number in a long time now

[MrBow]

Ok bobbyzeroo, come back when you've successfully sued JM

[ShadowSpell]

:) I did not? Idiotic idea? What is this idiotic idea all about? I mean, what is idiotic in my idea of suing them? The fact that indeed I know such lawyer. Forget about that, it doesn't matter, he/she/it could be ANYONE HAVING THAT PROFESSION because it's god damn easy to do that. What I did in all this time? I learned how good and powerful it is to gather evidences to have them die not slowly but instantly when the time comes.

I will post in the next month, probably beginning of January everything that I did and I will do and an official petition link which could be signed by REAL PEOPLE which could be later even be contacted for realistic figure.

I know how to take Joymax down and if you doubt you could do that ONLY BY YOURSELF you are dumb. Never doubt that a company like Joymax which only had in mind how to make quick money and how to violate more and everywhere everyone's rights could not go down. ... Think twice and you will hear about me again in more chilly ways mister, I assure you all.

I just wonder sometimes if it really matters this for the community. And for the 80% of them no, because either they are kids who don't know anything about life yet either they are dumb enough as people in generally are dumb. But there is still 20%....

We shall see.

I'll believe it when I see it, this isnt the first time a petition was put out and threats of sueing JM, and what do you think your going to sue them for? if you were hacked and lost your character that gives you the right to sue them for your lost money and time that you invested in that character and thats the extent for your idea, so for your delusional idea of bringing down JM thats what im calling an idiotic post, gathering all your evidence is just a waste of your time which shows you either dont have a life your starved for attention.

[Doctor_MOS]

it stated clearly in the ToS that JM is not responsible for our accounts getting hacked

it sucks tho

[_Scarlett_]

it stated clearly in the ToS that JM is not responsible for our accounts getting hacked

it sucks tho

Yup yup...that right there already will get your case absolutely no where. You can go ahead and try to sue, but you gotta remember the fact that the game is FREE to play, and when you created an account you agreed to their terms of service which stated they're not to be held responsible for your account being lost...gL getting no where. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[ShadowSpell]

it stated clearly in the ToS that JM is not responsible for our accounts getting hacked

it sucks tho

Yup yup...that right there already will get your case absolutely no where. You can go ahead and try to sue, but you gotta remember the fact that the game is FREE to play, and when you created an account you agreed to their terms of service which stated they're not to be held responsible for your account being lost...gL getting no where. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Dont say someone doesnt have grounds to sue JM, the fact is that 99.99999% of people just talk big and do nothing, if you were hacked by a glitch of JM you would have the right to sue for your lost time and money, yes you do agree to a TOS when you start playing but in the TOS it also states JM's responsiblity and one of them is not to provide 3 parties with you account information and to protect your account, if you prove that it was possible to retrieve your account ID by quoting a post on their forum and then with the recent glitch you could change someone PW by just having their ID, there would be a 90% chance you would win, but no you wont bring JM down, a lvl 80 might be able to getlets say, roughly $10,000 if you spent $1,500 on silk and spent 600 hours on the game your the equivelent of what your real life salary is, so if you are like me and make $45ph you could sue for $28,500.

[Naigasakis_Rebirth]

Won't even be entertained in court guaranteed. The ToS is designed for an open beta. In other words JM is more than capable of just up and deciding tomorrow to wipe all the servers clean and start over. Not a damn thing you or the court can do about it. All characters are property of joymax so technically they got hacked not you.

[windrider739]

I dunno if it's already been said or not, and I don't have the patience to wade through the long list of LET'S GET EM! statements so I'll reitterate if it's already been touched on.

You can't call them in court. If you're in the US like I am, you're spoiled by the idea that if you don't like something, someone etc. you can sue them and it'll change just for you. If you're in AU, MX or RU, you have absolutely NO trade law connections in any way with Korea. If you're in CA, that whole creative freedom law complicates things before you ever get to the fact that Korea doesn't even know you exist.

As for all other countries... public relations is too important to mess with Korea before you even recognize the idea that it's about as close to a free trade country as Taiwan.

In short, the only country in the world you could possibly accomplish anything in from a legal standpoint is Korea, where the main office is located. And korea has a 'strictly business' legal system, IE you get punished for CRIMES.

As well any lawyer anywhere will tell you 'this is a free game, if you bought gold, characters, silk etc. it was your choice and certainly not required to enjoy the game to it's fullest extent thereby relieving JoyMax Entertainment of any financial liability.'

I've petitioned against 'free MMORPG' game makers before for faulty action or no action at all, and all you ever get is a short, mildly passive aggressive email. 'Please do not inveigh or quarrel in the world of [X GAME] so that we have a more peacful experience for all. Not doing so could result in you suspension or ban.'

In the end, all you can do is hope your secret question does something or that they changed your password to something easy like 'password'. Other than that, you'll probably have to start over.

Think about it this way... if JoyMax's primary goal was customer service, wouldn't things be a lot different? What do most of us get sick of? Bots. Why? It's cheating, they take the good grinding spots, and they ROCK at KSing and picking up your loot. And yet there's thousands of them. Stall bots, kill bots, running the same route over and over and over, sometimes for days before disconnection. WE all know how to spot them, but unfortunately, there's no way for US to stop them. And I've been playing for a few months and never even SEEN a GM.

Now I've heard GM Gargamel say 'We are teh shuxorz down s00n.' but that's it.

In short... when you play for free, you get what you pay for. Sure, World of Warcraft is likely more fun, expansive and user friendly but I can't afford to fork out 120 bucks for the game, both expansions, and then another 15 bucks to play online each month. This is more than good enough for me.

So that's what it boils down to... in the end, we can start all the riots, petitions etc. we want. We can threaten, beg, plead, fight, leave all we want but it's not going to change anything. How they are, is how they've been and how they'll always be. Such is the fate of any FTP MMORPG.

[Logik]

Thats the reason i just stopped playing after i got hacked too, JM doesn't gives a shit abut anyone we all know and still complain about how shitty their costumer service is and all the problem this game has.

I loved this game spend 1 almot 2 years playing and finally i was able to hit 80 and bee farm, wasted tons of money on silk.

But after i got hacked i just realized that ive should of quited this game long ago but now it was too late for me wasted time/money on this game to have
someone come and just fack you up in a matter of minutes like it was nothing.

I feelt so fking bad when this happend but thx to that i decided to stop playing because the game has no future if JM doenst do anything now
I lost hope on them ever doing something to fix anything.

And i dont think youll get anything done by trying to sue them its just a wasted of time just give up and go to some other game or just stop playing games like this.

[nightbloom]

*your whole post*

All very true, but if you look at another effed up FTP game, Kal Online, it had all the same problems. THen something happened.


It's called a private server.

Suddenly Kal was a tin bucket with a few peas rolling around in the bottom and they got scared. They did a lot to improve the game, improved customer service, got rid of bots, etc. For Kal, an older game, it was a bit too little too late, but it helped and Kal is still around today.

When they finally get those private servers out there and JM feels the pinch, they will respond. THey care about the money, thats all. If they have no money and caring about their customers is the only way to get it, you'll be suprised at how much they love you all of a sudden.

If more ppl STOPPED buying silk, we wouldnt have to wait for private servers to do the work, but gawd forbid someone has to go without a silly suit. lol

[stewie316]

I was a victim that was hacked and it was heart breaking and made me angry. It took me a few days to realize joymax were not going to help or even take blame for the issue. I simply started from scratch again and my new chac is 46 right now.

If it ever does happen again i would expect more people to get involved and get Joymax to confess to there screw up. that week of hacking will always be known to people.

[Casey613]

They put me on hold for a few minutes.. I hung up -.-

[_Scarlett_]

Dont say someone doesnt have grounds to sue JM, the fact is that 99.99999% of people just talk big and do nothing, if you were hacked by a glitch of JM you would have the right to sue for your lost time and money, yes you do agree to a TOS when you start playing but in the TOS it also states JM's responsiblity and one of them is not to provide 3 parties with you account information and to protect your account, if you prove that it was possible to retrieve your account ID by quoting a post on their forum and then with the recent glitch you could change someone PW by just having their ID, there would be a 90% chance you would win, but no you wont bring JM down, a lvl 80 might be able to getlets say, roughly $10,000 if you spent $1,500 on silk and spent 600 hours on the game your the equivelent of what your real life salary is, so if you are like me and make $45ph you could sue for $28,500.

There's absolutely no grounds to which you can sue JM for lost time and money spent. Reimbursement is totally out the question since the game is technically free-to-play; you are not required to use any of your finances to enjoy their product, and doing so is strickly your own choice, not JM's. Thus, liability of any finances lost due to loss of accounts thereof is nonexistent on behalf of JM.

[Remuss]

Why do you people keep bringing of the subject of court, in no way shape or form can this be called upon for legal actions. Joymax did not force you to spend money on this game, spending money was your option.

What windrider said is true;

"As well any lawyer anywhere will tell you 'this is a free game, if you bought gold, characters, silk etc. it was your choice and certainly not required to enjoy the game to it's fullest extent thereby relieving JoyMax Entertainment of any financial liability"

I know you are all angry, but please educated yourselfs before making topics such as this.

[DrunkiMunki]

It must be nice to be able so sue everyone for everything. Here in the Netherlands you need to have a good explained reason to sue someone. You cant sue mc Donalds for being fat here, they call that your own fault. You cant sue a company for ignoring unstatisfied customers, if they state it in the http://www.joymax.com/portal/Joymax_Front.jmx?workURL=http://portalcp.joymax.com/notarget/user_agreement/user_agreement.jmx

USER AGREEMENT

Chapter 5 Compensation for Damage

Article 1 (Immunity from Responsibility and Compensation for Damage)

1. Company shall not be liable for damages to user's account (including loss of account, character, items, etc.) or its failure to continue service due to natural disasters or national emergency.

2. Company shall not be liable for service suspension or error caused by user misconduct.

3. Company shall not be liable for damages due to internet service error caused by internet service provider.

4. Company shall not be liable for service suspension or error caused by equipment maintenance, change, inspection, construction and other unavoidable reason that has been notified in advance.

5. Company, for situations that the Company cannot fully acknowledge that may lead to login delay or user losses because of lag( item loss, experience loss), will not be held responsible.

6. Company will not be held responsible for the credibility and accuracy of contents of documents and information transmitted from the User through the service or Web site.

7. Company has no responsibility to mediate conflicts that arise between users or between the user and a 3rd party or to compensate for any damages caused by such conflict.

8. Company shall not be liable to compensate for damages caused by the free service (standard service) it offers.

YOU signed up for this, fool. What you wanna do now, Sue yourself? Joymax is not ignorant, you are.

[ScZz]

Leipo , if you were aware of thing called hacking you wouldn't post that quote of TOS. In fact , what does "natural disaster" have to do with a guy in brasil that found the glitch on joymax site and decided to hack anyone having sosun? Please explain that to us here.
Also , they can be sued , but by koreans in korea , on korean court. I hardly believe international law can hurt them (as we know it , IL is pretty useless lately).
btw , online petitions are legaly unaccepted as a proof.

[jabbers]

guy above, natural disasters doesn't have anything to do with why he posted that, if you weren't aware it says they are not responsible for any damages to your account , that's just what it says and that's just what you agreed to. So buy a ticket to brasil and go find that guy, bash his head with a keyboard, it's a much cheaper and realistic solution. llolll

[Burningwolf]

dude
plz just shut up and hire a lawyer to sue their asses.
no need to talk nonsense
u talk the talk
so walk the walk

[DrunkiMunki]

Leipo , if you were aware of thing called hacking you wouldn't post that quote of TOS. In fact , what does "natural disaster" have to do with a guy in brasil that found the glitch on joymax site and decided to hack anyone having sosun? Please explain that to us here.
Also , they can be sued , but by koreans in korea , on korean court. I hardly believe international law can hurt them (as we know it , IL is pretty useless lately).
btw , online petitions are legaly unaccepted as a proof.

My lvl 80 char got hacked not long ago. I gave it away and started over. I dont have to explain anything to you, I didnt check that box 'I agree" for you. You did.

[Posei]

If more ppl STOPPED buying silk, we wouldnt have to wait for private servers to do the work,

Says the person who buys globals....

[windrider739]

That SoulReaper person said...

Dont say someone doesnt have grounds to sue JM, the fact is that 99.99999% of people just talk big and do nothing, if you were hacked by a glitch of JM you would have the right to sue for your lost time and money, yes you do agree to a TOS when you start playing but in the TOS it also states JM's responsiblity and one of them is not to provide 3 parties with you account information and to protect your account, if you prove that it was possible to retrieve your account ID by quoting a post on their forum and then with the recent glitch you could change someone PW by just having their ID, there would be a 90% chance you would win, but no you wont bring JM down, a lvl 80 might be able to getlets say, roughly $10,000 if you spent $1,500 on silk and spent 600 hours on the game your the equivelent of what your real life salary is, so if you are like me and make $45ph you could sue for $28,500.


SoulReaper m'boy... c'm'ere. I'm going to take you on a trip down memory lane real quick to revisit your childhood. *Thumps SoulReaper in the back of the head*. Amazing huh? Now, I'm going to tear your anti-logic to pieces, feed those pieces to you, wait for you to poop, and then feed them to you again.

1. 89.33333% of statistics are made up.

2. All security systems have their flaws. So according to your horribly flawed wonderland logic, if I were to leave a book at your house and someone were to break in and steal it, I would have the right to sue you for the cost of the book and the time I spent looking for it.

3. JoyMax DOES Agree to protect your account from 3rd party users, and DOES have a security system and beyond that, whenever anything major happens they even make attempts, though feeble, to better their security, thus nullifying your idea that they are responsible.

4. 90%? Have you ever been to the real world? If you have, you had your eyes closed and CERTAINLY didn't make time to visit Korea. The deal is that Korea isn't America, and as the company is there, you'd have to try them under their laws.

5. You honestly believe you can get money.... an exorbitant amount of money at that... for losing a game account that was free in the first place? Your vision of reality is horribly skewed and quite frightening to boot.

Post rippage done, now the excess.

Here's the deal... having taken two years of business law to get my degree, I'm pretty knowledgeable about what idiots can and cannot do to steal money from a business in the US. Seeing as how the US allows for the most bullshit of any country out there when it comes to a courtroom, it gives my knowledge a decent jurisdiction in this specific category in the laws of other large countries as well. So let's get down to it, shall we?

Now according to Kim Byong Sik, North Korea (and to a large degree, South Korea) being socialist countries, the mentality of the workforce there is that of a 'My life, for the good of the company' stance. This means that the people there are raised to protect their jobs in the most efficient and, in my opinion, amazing way ever. They are trained from childhood (because that's just how people think over there) that they should do everything they can to further the progress of the company as a whole.

This means that a Korean company is a SCARY thing to deal with. I need only point at the Korean based toy company Hasbro. Recently in trouble for painting some toys with lead based paint, America issued a recall, as did a few other bigger name countries. Hasbro HAS stated however that it has no intention of changing their paint base simply because it is more efficient.

In other words, you decide to sue a Korean company, on Korean courts no less, you better be prepared to sew your butt hole back up again. A Korean company will fight tooth and nail, and not just the legal team. I'm talking ground floor employees will do anything they can to assist as well because in a country like that which is socialist to boot, they know if the company loses money, they could potentially lose a job.

ON that note, let's talk about the Korean court system shall we? A court system which, while advanced compared to many other Asian countries, is still considered barbaric by the average person in a country like England or America and even Mexico. Public executions, firing squads, life imprisonment if jailed for anything more than three times in some sectors. They still torture as a means of interrogation and in court. Hoo boy in court, you can badger the witness, try to mentally break them.

As well, Korean court systems wouldn't even waste their time with this ordeal. Not saying they shouldn't, I'm saying I know for a fact that they would refuse because thievery, murder, kidnapping and battery happen every day in every sector. They have MUCH more important things to worry about than some whiny, lazy 12 year old trying to make it rich because he/she had to start a new game.

Even under US law, the most victim-friendly laws in the world when it comes to frivolous suits, the most you could POSSIBLY be entitled to is a refund of your silk. But oh, the cool part about that? You wouldn't get cash for it. Not in a million years. You'd get the $XX.xx worth of silk deposited into a new account. An account which you would be starting over because, I hate to break it to you (not really, this is fun) but most hackers, after stripping your account, will delete your characters which means you have eight days if you're lucky.

'No i kan du dis in ate dayz!' No you can't. Because you'd have to scrounge up the money to get a passport, get said passport, the the money for a plane ticket, fly to Korea, find a lawyer, hire said lawyer, petition to the courts, receive a court date, wait for said court date and THEN go look like a complete waste of flesh in front of a judge. And as big of a gaming country as Korea is, they aren't going to award you anything. Why? Here's a list.

1. You're a foreigner.
2. You act like a complete b1tch over a VIDEO GAME.
3. Joymax did not do anything wrong and upheld their end of the ToS
4. YOU posted where YOUR information was obtained. That's your fault.
5. Liza Minelli is a scary woman.
6. You have no proof as to WHO hacked your account, and thus cannot prove that YOU didn't hack you own account to get this 38,000 dollars you're asking for.

So what are you gonna do, princess? That's right. You're going to lay down, curl up in the fetal position, cry, suck your thumb and then create a new account and whine about being hacked from time to time.

That said, please do us all a favor. Quit pretending like you know anything when your grammar is so infantile, and don't make up statistics to look intelligent, because you don't. Fake statistics only get you so far, and it's about as far as asking if Tuna (The chicken of the sea) is chicken or fish.

To the rest of you.... sorry for the rant. Liars and ignorance bother me beyond belief.