99% Euro Warriors Are NOOB

trein91 · Post by **trein91** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:35 am

They:

1) run around like mad bringing aggro-ed mobs with them
2) doesnt use pain quota on wizards and cleric
3) doesnt use physical screen on other party members
4) does not use vital increase because it makes them WEAKK???
5) never realise the job of a warrior in party play is to TANK and not KILL

A good euro party isn't even suppose to move. The warrior should just use Howling Shout to taunt the mobs to himself and let the wizards nuke it. Instead they run around then use knockdown moves on giants >_>.

Can't blame them though. All of them are botted and powerlvled.

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:40 am

wiziards arent much better

their job is to not die but they keep using nukes that aggro everything towards them

trein91 · Post by **trein91** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:45 am

-.- wrote:wiziards arent much better

their job is to not die but they keep using nukes that aggro everything towards them

The wizards are supposed to use AOE nukes. Its because the warrior didnt aggro them, thats why the monsters are aiming for the wizards.

If a warrior does his job well, no 1 should be able to touch the wizard and clerics. As soon as a monster approaches the wizards and clerics, the warrior should have used Howling Shout to pull them towards himself.

Go to youtube and search for KSRO ROC MOUNTAIN SHARE PARTY and KSRO, EUROPEAN PARTY.

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:46 am

goto learnhowtoplay.com and look at logic, if aoe attracts them to you learn to use something else

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:03 am

It's true...most of the warriors out there don't even have protect or pain quota or fences lvled up because it hurts them. What they don't realize is that those are more important than attack moves in parties. If you really think about the effects of the warrior weapons, s/s has KB, so it's good in a party to some extent, in emergencies. Axes are 2nd in defense so they also have effects taht are good for parties, the stun. 2h do KD, and should be rarely used in parties, KD shouldn't even be used if you are partying, the other skills are good enough for party giants if you are going to switch for dmg.

And btw, if a wizard doesn't use AOE attacks when you have a warrior and a cleric in the party, might as well never invite them cuz they are useless. It's the warrior's job to keep the mobs off with shouts and sprint assaults, and the cleric's job to make sure they don't get hit twice with less than full hp.

The sad truth is that most warriors and wizards are botted up and not many wizards know what they are doing. But it really hurts when the cleric and warrior are clueless...that's when real chaos occurs.

destructionmama · Post by **destructionmama** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:08 am

trein91 wrote:They:

1) run around like mad bringing aggro-ed mobs with them
2) doesnt use pain quota on wizards and cleric
3) doesnt use physical screen on other party members
4) does not use vital increase because it makes them WEAKK???
5) never realise the job of a warrior in party play is to TANK and not KILL

A good euro party isn't even suppose to move. The warrior should just use Howling Shout to taunt the mobs to himself and let the wizards nuke it. Instead they run around then use knockdown moves on giants >_>.

+1 can't agree better myself, they all think they are a freakn' Chinese glaive LOL who take down everything with a few sweeps LOL, I found most of them ego centric lol, only care about themselves.

being a good tank is hard though, its a well respected position, therefore I don't expect much from the 99%, but I'll be impress when I see a good tanker

[AoW]ForLife · Post by **[AoW]ForLife** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:08 am

Meh, I'd say a lot of the guys with 2h mastery aren't that great, but that's it. A lot of 1h I've met are really great. They use all their buffs, vital increase, everything. That's what I did.

Renton · Post by **Renton** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:11 am

I think you got it all wrong. Most Euros suck. The character itself doesn't. The person playing does. Why? I see people going sub cleric just because of bless. Having a party filled with euros and bless and they do double bless with skins. OMG 300dmg to 50dmg! Worthless.

Then I see people that try to do everything on their own. Just because they're an euro. "OMG I'M AN EURO I CAN KILL ANYTHING" I see that happen a lot at south dw.

Jazz00006 · Post by **Jazz00006** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:34 am

Renton wrote:Then I see people that try to do everything on their own. Just because they're an euro. "OMG I'M AN EURO I CAN KILL ANYTHING" I see that happen a lot at south dw.

Well, TBH they can. But most of them have been playing China side for too long and dont understand PARTY PLAY > ALL

trein91 · Post by **trein91** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:44 am

Jazz00006 wrote:
Renton wrote:Then I see people that try to do everything on their own. Just because they're an euro. "OMG I'M AN EURO I CAN KILL ANYTHING" I see that happen a lot at south dw.

Well, TBH they can. But most of them have been playing China side for too long and dont understand PARTY PLAY > ALL

Yup, a good party at generals with all GOOD euros will lvl up way faster than any bot with just a few hours per day.

btw, check this youtube video on parties in ksro at Karakoram (dont understimate the low lvls =D)

PS. They each got 10% in 8 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIMpjsewis8

thAi · Post by **thAi** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:48 am

trein91 wrote:
Jazz00006 wrote:
Renton wrote:Then I see people that try to do everything on their own. Just because they're an euro. "OMG I'M AN EURO I CAN KILL ANYTHING" I see that happen a lot at south dw.

Well, TBH they can. But most of them have been playing China side for too long and dont understand PARTY PLAY > ALL

Yup, a good party at generals with all GOOD euros will lvl up way faster than any bot with just a few hours per day.

btw, check this youtube video on parties in ksro at Karakoram (dont understimate the low lvls =D)

PS. They each got 10% in 8 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIMpjsewis8

Wow that vid is crazy

The Phenomenon Nay · Post by **The Phenomenon Nay** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:00 am

why was force in chinese when no1 uses it ? cuz theres a reason for everything, a lv 80 blader killed a lv 80 full farmed glavier with full sun and sun 64+7 glavie by cursing him with lv 60+ force curses and abnormal stats, same as 2h no1 realises its a great build, same as a 2h cuz it has 2 good features to kill and to tank, you can buff to hit more or tank phy atacks cuz ur already wearing armor, it hits more then a same lv glavier without buffs

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:10 am

all euro are complete nublet except OldRob, he,s the only one good cleric on the whole server, dnno aobut other server. and bonghead is like the ultimate noob euro

Necrobat · Post by **Necrobat** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:21 am

I can understand your pain. On Venus, almost every non-union warrior doesn't know how to party play properly. (annoying for me -_-')

so STOOPS · Post by **so STOOPS** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:43 am

lol this is how i feel with noobs in maplestory pq O_o

Advancechao · Post by **Advancechao** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:49 am

so STOOPS wrote:lol this is how i feel with noobs in maplestory pq O_o

HAHA I loved doing PQs ^^
OT: Yeah for some reason my friend who was warrior/sub cleric (level 30) died on a one star trade... Wow... I had XBow extreme on and I survived just fine.

Renton · Post by **Renton** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:22 am

Jazz00006 wrote:
Renton wrote:Then I see people that try to do everything on their own. Just because they're an euro. "OMG I'M AN EURO I CAN KILL ANYTHING" I see that happen a lot at south dw.

Well, TBH they can. But most of them have been playing China side for too long and dont understand PARTY PLAY > ALL

Yeah they can for the 45 seconds of bless/skins or the first hit.(Rogue/wizard) After that it's pretty much *nuke* dead. At least what I've seen. 90% of the time.

ThatBluePerson · Post by **ThatBluePerson** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:59 am

I have to agree with you there.

shoto · Post by **shoto** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:02 am

trein91 wrote:They:

1) run around like mad bringing aggro-ed mobs with them
2) doesnt use pain quota on wizards and cleric
3) doesnt use physical screen on other party members
4) does not use vital increase because it makes them WEAKK???
5) never realise the job of a warrior in party play is to TANK and not KILL

A good euro party isn't even suppose to move. The warrior should just use Howling Shout to taunt the mobs to himself and let the wizards nuke it. Instead they run around then use knockdown moves on giants >_>.

Can't blame them though. All of them are botted and powerlvled.

let me rephrase that.

I'm a wizard!
Why should warriors kill anything?
I should get all the kills?
do you guys agree with me? what if i tell you they bot!

seriously why don't you coordinate with your party? its as simple as asking the person to fulfill there role in the party.. if they don't listen kick 'em

Drukz · Post by **Drukz** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:07 am

hmm..

i dont play much with wiz, and i do i screen, fence and quota them, when im playing with them. And yea i am fighting as a warrior, but every time i join a party, they dont say "ey bro sit 'n chill, just do screen quota and fence, on those who need it" they ask me to fight so i do..

Zygis · Post by **Zygis** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:48 am

Hmm... U are right but not 100. If i were warrior i would not give pain quota to other players probably, because most time in party there is more than 2 int chars. They will lose hp. Cleric mostly only needs dmg absorption. Just when warrior brings much monsters cleric should not do any quick heal like group healing, or anything that gives agroo. They should wait till warrior use his skills to take agroo again and then start healing (wizards nuking) If warrior don't do that and cleric is afraid to get agroo he should not start heal warrior. Only with skills like Recovery or Healing Cycle. Any group heal will get them agroo. So if there is more than one cleric in party give them dmg absorption too. I don't think bard need any buffs from warrior he can just stand in middle of fighting circle. (Like you said party should fight in one place) Wizards in party need agroo absorption because they get most of the agroo (not only wizards need it rogue's might need them to especially dagger rogue because with his high dmg he gets agroo) And last part: warriors... yes they all most never use vital increase and when u ask them why you get: "because i will be weak then" and you all ways be then like -.- .

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:02 am

:/ if bard/warlock is in party then heal away...

both of them can remove aggro from you lol

Drukz · Post by **Drukz** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:25 am

True, but its very rare i fight with wiz, and when you are 8 in pt and u do pain quota, it makes around 14~51 dmg to everybody and most to me.. i think INT nukers survive

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:30 am

wizards really could learn to take care of each other and not just think about damage...

if you got 2 wizards and monster is headed to int chars all you have to do is toss up fear/bind or snow wind to freeze or the charged wind for kb
(with 2 wizards at least one of the status will land and give time for warrior to aggro it)

i played as warrior before and guess what, it isnt as easy as just standing there... with 5-6 mobs on you, its hard to even click on anything else half the time so if wizards aggro other things, its their own fault for doing it

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:56 am

trein91 wrote:
-.- wrote:wiziards arent much better

their job is to not die but they keep using nukes that aggro everything towards them

The wizards are supposed to use AOE nukes. Its because the warrior didnt aggro them, thats why the monsters are aiming for the wizards.

If a warrior does his job well, no 1 should be able to touch the wizard and clerics. As soon as a monster approaches the wizards and clerics, the warrior should have used Howling Shout to pull them towards himself.

+1

-.- wrote:goto learnhowtoplay.com and look at logic, if aoe attracts them to you learn to use something else

lol maybe you should go to learnhowtoplay.com cus you dont really make sense. aoe attack = more kills = level faster. If pt mobs are aggroed towards me (wizard) our loved 2h tanker will use howling shout asap. No monster will reach us (wizard and cleric in the party) ever...

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:06 am

aoe doesnt mean faster kills if wizards are dying half the time

you can kill a monster using non aoe nukes just as fast then move to next

aoe is only good if you use it on monsters that are grouped together and not if one is running towards warrior and you hit something he hasnt aggro yet

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:13 am

-.- wrote:aoe doesnt mean faster kills if wizards are dying half the time

you can kill a monster using non aoe nukes just as fast then move to next

aoe is only good if you use it on monsters that are grouped together and not if one is running towards warrior and you hit something he hasnt aggro yet

Answer this question honestly: have you ever played high level wizard in an autoshare party?

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:14 am

hm lv 50 wizard/warlock... not sure if it is high to you

but my aoe is a bit different, i stun then go with the wizard's aoe... so they dont move anyway

Goobronicus · Post by **Goobronicus** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:25 am

In our party grinds at generals, I have two methods ( I am a lvl 80 wizard/bard).

The first is used if we have a warrior and a cleric. I go into Life Turnover and get buffs from the cleric and fences from the warrior (with these buffs I have 5.5khp an extra ~150 physical defense, and ~30% constant physical absorption). Warrior howls, shouts, etc while I do AOE, meteor, etc. If I get a champ or giant on me, or feel that too many creatures are coming at me, I use earth barrier (high % absorbance) and teleport my butt out of there until the warrior can get agro again. Then I repeat. NOTE: I keep X-Large vigors on me for these situations. I RARELY die, and if I do, the cleric can res to 80, so I'm not worried.

The second is used when there are only Chinese tanks (glaviers or bladers) and/or no cleric. I do NOT go into life turnover mode. I only use single target spells (Ice Spear maxed, fireball maxed; repeated because each has a cooldown of 3 seconds). I use AOE only when regular mobs are around and I'm targeting a mob that said blader/glavier is attacking. If a mob attacks me, I solo it, whether or not it is a party mob or not, and wait until another member can help me. With my earth barrier and freezing spells, I can easily tank 2 party mobs at once.

A wizard should never have a problem in party with aggro, they should just know how to deal with it. Course, I HAND GRINDED my character to 80, and actually know how to play it, unlike many of the high level euro's in game. If the european doesn't understand how to play their character, they were most likely power leveled by bots, or are botters.

For those questioning my sub class choice, I use it for 90% movement (Chinese players love this and ask to be buffed all the time) and Noise (attack prevention level 90 [yes level 90]). I am in the Rome server, under the same name.

MrBow · Post by **MrBow** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:30 am

Goobronicus wrote:
For those questioning my sub class choice, I use it for 90% movement (Chinese players love this and ask to be buffed all the time) and Noise (attack prevention level 90 [yes level 90]). I am in the Rome server, under the same name.

First, thanks for clearing up this point ( i myself was too tired to explain it over and over again to "-.-", seriously i doubt it you're lvl 50 wizard (or you got powerleveled all the way ofcourse :wink:

)
Second, i've got bard as sub aswell, i just love the moving march and noise

happy ive made a good choice

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