Owning a rogue in a pvp is easy

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:33 pm

bladers own rogues cuz we got high defence + block and KD

that all ^_^

ShadowSpell · Post by **ShadowSpell** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:34 pm

XMoshe wrote:
soulreapr wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
soulreapr wrote:
Fug_Dup wrote:That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

jobbing with a euro in a party rocks, the other day me a lvl 80 glavier were in thief suits waiting for yarkan to spawn, he was by the mages and I was in the arena when a lvl 80 sun sword and sun shield hunter found him, he just let me know he was coming, I went invisible and when he got by me he turned and started fighting and I hit them with a meteor and thats the end of the story, we do that all the time with job war at east gate, I go out a ways and then they lead 1 or 2 to me and I wipe them out.

wouldnt work with me cuz I never go after people when jobbing..atleast, when its a gatefight hehe..

PS: how is your dmg as a hybrid mage?

I really like hybrid, I can survive hits that a lvl 80 dies from but I still hit really hard, I do make sure all my items are int 5 though giving me a 106% mag balance, I only have lvl 76 skills and right now a normal STR glavier I hit for 16-17k and with my buffs on I can survive a soul spear souls or emperor, and if the glavier has lower lvl skills like lvl 72 I can take a soul spear soul and mars unless theres a crit in there, yeah maybe I might not be able to 1 hit everyone that I might have been able to if I was pure but still 90% of the people are still 1 hits exept lvl 80 pure strs are 2 hits, but i survive more now too

hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:45 pm

Fug_Dup wrote:
Test007 wrote:How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on.

you really think you can KB/KD someone with a shield for 15 seconds?

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:47 pm

UniQ wrote:
Fug_Dup wrote:
Test007 wrote:How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on.

you really think you can KB/KD someone with a shield for 15 seconds?

It seems to work on a regular basis, and by having 80% speed they never get near me anyway. o.O

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:48 pm

UniQ wrote:
Fug_Dup wrote:
Test007 wrote:How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on.

you really think you can KB/KD someone with a shield for 15 seconds?

its very possible....and extremely probable...

UniQ · Post by **UniQ** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:50 pm

XemnasXD wrote:
UniQ wrote:
Fug_Dup wrote:
Test007 wrote:How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on.

you really think you can KB/KD someone with a shield for 15 seconds?

its very possible....and extremely probable...

i dont think so, 1 phantom walk and hes next to youXD

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:52 pm

Be a bow str + stay in icewall + mana-shield + detect invi pill

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:10 pm

UniQ wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
UniQ wrote:
Fug_Dup wrote:
Test007 wrote:How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on.

you really think you can KB/KD someone with a shield for 15 seconds?

its very possible....and extremely probable...

i dont think so, 1 phantom walk and hes next to youXD

and then you just knock him back...duh...

ShadowSpell · Post by **ShadowSpell** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:17 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:Be a bow str + stay in icewall + mana-shield + detect invi pill

so what your saying is to try everyhting you can do which for the most part still wont work, and how many people are strr bows, maybe 5% of all players, and those 30k invisble/stealth pills only work for 15 seconds then have a 45 second cool down and detect 10m away from you so alot of good that does unless you know exactly were they are and then you cant be under ice wall.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:36 pm

soulreapr wrote:
XMoshe wrote:hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.

hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

the_wicked · Post by **the_wicked** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:43 pm

XMoshe wrote:
soulreapr wrote:
XMoshe wrote:hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.

hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:45 pm

the_wicked wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
soulreapr wrote:
XMoshe wrote:hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.

hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.

ohyeah...didnt think about that, ah well...speed and noise is good enough for me to go bard..and I will party grind too so I can use it then hehe

-.- · Post by **-.-** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:46 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:Be a bow str + stay in icewall + mana-shield + detect invi pill

um... xbow has longer range... stand behind icewall and take hits if you want...

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:49 pm

is he ever gona tell us how to kill a rogue

in his own own opinion

ShadowSpell · Post by **ShadowSpell** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:49 pm

the_wicked wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
soulreapr wrote:
XMoshe wrote:hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.

hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.

he's right the only thing that I am aware of that is useful to a wizard is noise and speed, thats why my bard is at lvl 20 just for a little extra speed, but there are 3-4 buffs in cleric you can have on while fighting as a wizard, I would highly recommend picking up cleric for you subclass, plus it is nice to be able to heal party members and res them with reverse oblivion if they die, which just makes them into one HUGE tanker if there a str.

jabbers · Post by **jabbers** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:58 pm

for wizard if you max the spear fan buff than theyll only hit you like 7-8k for 15 seconds,even if they get the first hit you should be able to activate the skill and get them in time. For xbow rogue I use fire wall when I can since it prevents kd/kb, than I can usually kill them one hit strongbow-craft, for dagger rogue I don't know since there are hardly any on my server

XCaosX · Post by **XCaosX** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:28 pm

Pham wrote:
XCaosX wrote:Crni tell us how to kill a dam rogue before he got u xDD

anyway i say it's almost impossible to kill a rogue,coz they got super-mega-hyper crit ....lvl 77rogue 1 hitted lv 80 full sosun armor guy...25k crit,no zerk...
maybe full sosun blader can survive coz hp and shield extra defense...but i think it's so hard for normal pll with no sosuns.

dont think so, my old lvl 80 char no sun bad garm +4 could kill an 80 rogue jsut with iron wall snow shield and 72+5 shield

15sec of god like,i know about ironwalla +snow shield,but when u dont have them casted?..what to do?XD

nphillip · Post by **nphillip** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:07 am

pimpmyxride wrote:Tell us. Maybe they have shadow when stealth?

LOL! how the hell did u think of that !

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:38 am

Ohnoes too much reading. Well I know a way, but wont tell u.

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:44 am

Crni_Vatreni wrote:Ohnoes too much reading. Well I know a way, but wont tell u.

OMG U HAVS TEH SECRET HACKZPLIZ TELL MEN ... :roll:

Seriously, press "5" to activate iron wall isn't the hardest thing to figure out.

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:08 am

Ell wrote:
Crni_Vatreni wrote:Ohnoes too much reading. Well I know a way, but wont tell u.

OMG U HAVS TEH SECRET HACKZPLIZ TELL MEN ...

Seriously, press "5" to activate iron wall isn't the hardest thing to figure out.

Erm... ppl were right, it's all about blocking their 1st strike. Do a crystal wall and it will absorb the 1st hit, then do iron wall and 2nd book of frost nova. He's dead meat after all that shit. Whoever is saying ironwall itself can save u from a good rogue IS WRONG. If the chain gets several crits, u r dead anyways. And whoever is thinking a snow shield might help too, IS WRONG. Two crits will drain all ur mana, and u wont be able to attack and u'll be a sitting duck. U gotta freeze the biatch, and dont let him hit u 1st.

Ofcourse, that is all possible on pvp only. Why? Cuz u r expecting it. Try it in a trade. U'll nevah know rogue is there before it kills an elephant, or you, his choice. A smart rogue wont attack when the guy is expecting it.
Still, I'm saying - rogues r fun and cool and all that, but a rogue cant take on a whole party. It can kill one or two. What I'm feared of is a wizard.

That's pretty much it. Now, how to stop a wizard? lol

Yes_Name · Post by **Yes_Name** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:24 am

rogue isn't easy to own...coz if he have a good set +4+5, and he use also cleric buff, isn't easy, coz he have a lot of defence and he can recoveru his hp...so...

ROGUE RULEZ....WE ARE THE BEST!!

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:39 am

crni im making a rogue on babel just to kill you over and over.

current lvl - 30
just gimme a month or two.
and if your trader name isnt that CRIT thing anymore, then ill look for something that resembles praetorians, unless your are _PRAETORIAN_.

but i will find you and you will die.

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:43 am

Yes_Name wrote:rogue isn't easy to own...coz if he have a good set +4+5, and he use also cleric buff, isn't easy, coz he have a lot of defence and he can recoveru his hp...so...

ROGUE RULEZ....WE ARE THE BEST!!

I now announce u the idiot of the thread.

MrFudge wrote:crni im making a rogue on babel just to kill you over and over.

current lvl - 30
just gimme a month or two.
and if your trader name isnt that CRIT thing anymore, then ill look for something that resembles praetorians, unless your are _PRAETORIAN_.

but i will find you and you will die.

lmao

my alias isnt CritHappenz anymore, and I aint a trader, u nubcake, nor I'm _PRAETORIAN_ xD find me and do ur best.
Oh btw, I never said rogues suck at jobbing. They r practically the best in hunt/thief. Any rogue 68+ can own me in a job, if not 64+.

Anyways, how u been mang long time no see?

deep.in · Post by **deep.in** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:45 am

MrFudge wrote:crni im making a rogue on babel just to kill you over and over.

current lvl - 30
just gimme a month or two.
and if your trader name isnt that CRIT thing anymore, then ill look for something that resembles praetorians, unless your are _PRAETORIAN_.

but i will find you and you will die.

Spending so much time just to proove smth?

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:46 am

deep.in wrote:
MrFudge wrote:crni im making a rogue on babel just to kill you over and over.

current lvl - 30
just gimme a month or two.
and if your trader name isnt that CRIT thing anymore, then ill look for something that resembles praetorians, unless your are _PRAETORIAN_.

but i will find you and you will die.

Spending so much time just to proove smth?

lol we r buddies and he loves me and he will spend as much time as possible just so he can hang out with me

psst... he's gay

Quixotic · Post by **Quixotic** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:47 pm

JewishZombie wrote:

If you know that one is coming, usually he would take the most direct route to you. Generally speaking though, if it's an American/european player though, the route they take is more circuitious. If it is turk/middle eastern it's a straight line from their original location. Perhaps this is an artifact of counterstrike...but whatever.

That one made me LOL! Who do you think you are? LOL

imagunnakill · Post by **imagunnakill** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm

123noob wrote:if you are able to detect the rouge on time then it's over for him.

the truth right there brothers and sisters

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm

imagunnakill wrote:
123noob wrote:if you are able to detect the rouge on time then it's over for him.

the truth right there brothers and sisters

but its funny seeing chinese being paranoid all the time.
and they dont know WHEN to detect :wink:

strangelove · Post by **strangelove** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:56 pm

MrFudge wrote:
imagunnakill wrote:
123noob wrote:if you are able to detect the rouge on time then it's over for him.

the truth right there brothers and sisters

but its funny seeing chinese being paranoid all the time.
and they dont know WHEN to detect

That's actually very true.

Almost all Chinese players with that fire skill use it at the most awkward locations. o_o

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