Old level caps and owning builds.

NuclearSilo · Post by **NuclearSilo** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:44 pm

Pure int wizard/warlord or xbow/cleric

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:46 pm

There is no ultimate build - only the ultimate crew.

At Babel, it's pretty much dumb, ppl fight next to gates, where u can easily run in safe zone if in trouble. That's not proving an ultimate fight, nor it's the pvp. Try a guild war or a job fight on a multi star trade.

Me and buddies often fought a team of pure int sun swordman, hyb int spearman and +7 glaiver, all full farmed 80's. The three of them were kinda definition of thiefing. The bright side was a team of lvl80 full skilled +5 blader, lvl77 gap 9 sun blader, and lvl73 gap 0 sun blader. The three of us always kicked their arses.

Crni_Vatreni · Post by **Crni_Vatreni** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:47 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:Pure int wizard/warlord or xbow/cleric

What the hell is a warlord? lmao

JewishZombie · Post by **JewishZombie** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:47 pm

60: ice bladers (they couldn't kill fast, that's undeniable. But, eventually, they'll get crits...and kill, slow but deadly. There was no ice immunity, only pills, meaning basically slowed attacks...not enough to kill a blader)

70: hybrid spear, dual wielding pure int spear/s/s, glaive...NOT BOW (bow...was the worst build).

80 (botters/gold buyers/"claimed" legits/people with no lives): anything sun, anything euro (almost)

80 (regulars, non-botters/people with lives): glaive, blader (fully farmed only using lightning chain for division, and only if division is cast), pure int s/s/spear dual wield IF played right and assuming can kill within 2 minutes before ice shield falls, and of course, bow with the new skills update.

--hypothetical--

90: Most likely pure int s/s if there's a skills update...pure int gets 70% damage absorption...meaning...nearly invulnerable for 2 minutes. In addition, nuke damage increases more quadratically than linearly, so nuke damage would be increased a lot, especially with newly opened books.

100: Most likely bladers (With quadruple stab).

SuperTanker · Post by **SuperTanker** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:40 am

50 cap- lol i dont know i dont even think there was a 50 cap
60 cap- i wasn't platying at that time but i think ice bladers, without ice immunity, ice bladers probably owned ( i mean they did kill, after u run out of pills and pots, no one can stop a blader)
70 cap- again i wasn't there at that moment but i think glaviers were good.
80 cap (before euro)- I think glaviers, bladers and swordmen (maybe hybrids too i dont know.)
80 cap (after euro)- rogues!!!!! their dmg is so high, and if they get in trouble they can just turn off DD or CE (BTW im not a rogue i said this cause outside DW i always see rogues owning ^^).
90 cap- If the 4th stab and kd comes at this cap, along with the 7th chain, then fighting a blader will be worser than going to hell

. f those skills dont come yet then im gonna say bow and pure int sword.
100 cap- by this time bladers will have the 4th kd+stab and the 7th chains so they will probably own. I think they will also get another buff that lowers physical def. for more physical attack... just heard of it... if that buff comes, bladers will pawn ^^ (it will be very useful for ints and hybrids)

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:29 am

wow i love how ppl who started playing last week jump on the ice blader idea and say they once pwned.

learn ur facts.

ice bladers CANT KNOCKDOWN / STAB! lol. yeah. chains sure do pwn. oh wait, they dont and never did. how would a build that cant use its strongest skills pwn? use ur brain pls. its there for a reason. stop being sheep and grow some balls of your own.

i was at the 60 cap. i saw ice bladers quit in masses. Guess what, im on a brand new server atm. no one is immune to ice. do i see ice bladers pwning? nope. never have, never will.

oh and on xian im not immune to ice. i find it a waste of gold to become immune. why? cuz no ice build will ever kill me.

the majority of euro chars are not immune to ice without a cleric to help them. do you see a huge comeback in ice bladers? nope.

peace and baaaaa baaaaa /sheep

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:35 am

It wasnt ice bladers that owned back in the day, it was ice bows. They didnt own either, they just really pissed ppl off.

Zycor · Post by **Zycor** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:56 am

DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

i was a legit sos +7 blader, with one sos piece gear, and i had an 18 br shield. I could kill any glaive build, full sun or not (except Jexxx, only glaive i couldnt kill). I did have trouble killing another blader ofcourse.

ints wasnt even in the question, a full sos +7 for everything, gear, sword, and shield, int person known as OoConDoHPoO or somethin, me and him fought in 1v1. We kept going until the score was 4-4, a draw. He had all that and i had what? >.>

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:03 am

DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

lol seriously dude wtf? botter or legit doesnt change a build at all <_<

DarkJackal · Post by **DarkJackal** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:11 am

Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

lol seriously dude wtf? botter or legit doesnt change a build at all <_<

When its a bot with cheated gear it Does make a difference, the gear doesn't make the build, though gear makes the difference in most everything.

If 2 players had the same exact build, one with say all +5 gears and weapon, then one had sos +7 gears and weapons, one is gonna do stuff the other couldn't do, ANY build be with sun +7 will kill any other, and thats a pretty big freakin difference.

At the 70 cap, bladers could not kill me, no bladers ever killed me except bots with +7 sos, and sos gears, so a build: str blade could not kill me unless it was some bot with full sos and shit = my point.

Not counting cheated gears and characters a fully farmed blader couldn't own at the 70 cap.

From my experience anyway, only the bot bladers with sos +7 ever killed me, wasn't many either and I definitely fought a lot of bladers.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:29 am

DarkJackal wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

lol seriously dude wtf? botter or legit doesnt change a build at all <_<

When its a bot with cheated gear it Does make a difference, the gear doesn't make the build, though gear makes the difference in most everything.

If 2 players had the same exact build, one with say all +5 gears and weapon, then one had sos +7 gears and weapons, one is gonna do stuff the other couldn't do, ANY build be with sun +7 will kill any other, and thats a pretty big freakin difference.

At the 70 cap, bladers could not kill me, no bladers ever killed me except bots with +7 sos, and sos gears, so a build: str blade could not kill me unless it was a botter with full sos and shit = my point.

Not counting cheated gears and characters a fully farmed blader couldn't own at the 70 cap.

From my experience anyway, only the bot bladers with sos +7 ever killed me, wasn't many either and I definitely fought a lot of bladers.

a blade ris a blader, botted or not they end with same skill and same power once farmed.

DarkJackal · Post by **DarkJackal** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:39 am

No its not >_>, take duck_egg from xian for example, that character was hybrid and such a pos, I could 1 shot it, but with botting up and the shit duck_club did that char got full sos everything and sos +7 spear, or sword shield, and then it took like 3 70's to kill, by your logic thats "a hybrid is a hybrid" well no, actually its not.

Botted or not, same skills, same lvl, different gear, and the gear is not the build.

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:56 am

Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

lol seriously dude wtf? botter or legit doesnt change a build at all <_<

When its a bot with cheated gear it Does make a difference, the gear doesn't make the build, though gear makes the difference in most everything.

If 2 players had the same exact build, one with say all +5 gears and weapon, then one had sos +7 gears and weapons, one is gonna do stuff the other couldn't do, ANY build be with sun +7 will kill any other, and thats a pretty big freakin difference.

At the 70 cap, bladers could not kill me, no bladers ever killed me except bots with +7 sos, and sos gears, so a build: str blade could not kill me unless it was a botter with full sos and shit = my point.

Not counting cheated gears and characters a fully farmed blader couldn't own at the 70 cap.

From my experience anyway, only the bot bladers with sos +7 ever killed me, wasn't many either and I definitely fought a lot of bladers.

a blade ris a blader, botted or not they end with same skill and same power once farmed.

If that were true, no one would bot, but they do, cause it makes a difference. Your average real player doesnt farm SP for months or farm for gear at the same mobs for months, etc. You always make this same comment every time it comes up. Keep repeating it, maybe you'll convince yourself that botters are just like everyone else one day. I doubt you'll convince any legits of the fact.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:14 am

nightbloom wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:
Fat_Smurf wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

lol seriously dude wtf? botter or legit doesnt change a build at all <_<

When its a bot with cheated gear it Does make a difference, the gear doesn't make the build, though gear makes the difference in most everything.

If 2 players had the same exact build, one with say all +5 gears and weapon, then one had sos +7 gears and weapons, one is gonna do stuff the other couldn't do, ANY build be with sun +7 will kill any other, and thats a pretty big freakin difference.

At the 70 cap, bladers could not kill me, no bladers ever killed me except bots with +7 sos, and sos gears, so a build: str blade could not kill me unless it was a botter with full sos and shit = my point.

Not counting cheated gears and characters a fully farmed blader couldn't own at the 70 cap.

From my experience anyway, only the bot bladers with sos +7 ever killed me, wasn't many either and I definitely fought a lot of bladers.

a blade ris a blader, botted or not they end with same skill and same power once farmed.

If that were true, no one would bot, but they do, cause it makes a difference. Your average real player doesnt farm SP for months or farm for gear at the same mobs for months, etc. You always make this same comment every time it comes up. Keep repeating it, maybe you'll convince yourself that botters are just like everyone else one day. I doubt you'll convince any legits of the fact.

most botters farm at cap...they choose an Int build when the server opens and lvl like crazy until they reach cap THEN they farm and get their gear in order....

Its the legits who spend months farming (botters are done in a month or less depending) and legits who stay at a certain lvl mob to try and get good gear (i was broke)...i think you got the two mixed up...

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:20 am

a big reason ppl bot is so they can gain lvls without going through the monotonous grinding.

___ONLY___ · Post by **___ONLY___** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:00 pm

60 cap: wasnt playin yet
70 cap: glaive and hybrid swords
80 cap without updated skills: glaive
80 cap with skills update: everyone with full sun

Trice · Post by **Trice** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:46 pm

Apachai_ wrote:Pure Int Sword: 2min manashield and bleed/division/impotent status' for this cap made pure int swords esp Sun Swords very dangerous to fight against, they deal alot of dmg + manashield and status. If you dont pill the status' you can kiss ure win good-bye. But their greatest move is also their weakness, they have 2mins of invincibility but..after 2mins...its over for them. All strs have to do is Tank those 2mins of their manashield by using Pills, Manashield, Stun, Knock-bak, Knock-Down, Fan(for Glavies: gets the job down good) etc and then...Pure Int Swords are in trouble and i always get them using this strategy, they all WTF? ^^

now i'll agree they arent the strongest this cap, the mana shield at higher skill level with more absorption will be "farking awesome". but "you always get them with this strategy, they all WTF?"
...
not even one did castle shield, kd run away? or castle shield freeze phantom run kd etc etc? you only gotta survive 45 before its shield up again.

so lets recap
run away
castle shield
run away
kd
run away
thats like 5 skills right there to help survive the shield down-time. and only 2 of them need sp spent on them

*runs away like theres a glaiver after him*

ScZz · Post by **ScZz** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:54 pm

60 cap - bladers and some glaviers
70 cap - bladers , glaviers and good farmed int s/s
80 cap - hell , anyone with sosun
90 cap - who knows, howmany of you have actually played a char from 0-90 ?? guess only few have tried it

ThisIsAvalon · Post by **ThisIsAvalon** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Fly wrote:rofl at the ice bladers fan club. get over it. ice bladers never owned anything. you cant even use stabs as an ice blader.

60 cap was all fire glaviers
70 cap was fire bladers and fire glaviers
80 cap is all archers
and 90 cap will be back to glaviers and back to the start of the cycle.

and when u talk about "owning", your talking about the 10% at the top, mostly bots with full sos or sosun. so the fact that your full +3 xxxxx build pwned a full +1 blader at the 70 cap means shit.

this also does not take into acount the players skill. 60 cap had some amazing archers, even tho bow was gimp like hell. 70 cap had amazing spear nukers even tho they were all 1 shots even to crappy bladers. and the 80 cap has a few glaviers doing very well even tho bow outshines then in every way possible.

60 cap was pure ints until everyone was capped at 60, then it was really about gear.

70 cap was about full sos+7 sets, but glaviers/spear nukers tended to do most dmg.

80 cap, archers do own, on the chinese side. Euro party > all builds.

Anything after, euro owns all. Euro. Before that, all you needed was gear.