Old level caps and owning builds.

Casey613 · Post by **Casey613** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:23 pm

Can someone tell me what build owned in each cap?

TIA, Casey.

darkmaster21 · Post by **darkmaster21** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:24 pm

I would say Glavie owned 70 cap.

HellsAdvocate · Post by **HellsAdvocate** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:25 pm

i would say full sosun owns this cap, build doesnt matter. (unless ur pure force, lolz)

Panu · Post by **Panu** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:27 pm

pure str cold blader ruled 60 cap

_Madness_ · Post by **_Madness_** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:12 am

lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:17 am

int with snow shield own this cap

akuji^ · Post by **akuji^** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:30 am

Glaive owned at every cap, good defence and good damage.

Best of both worlds :wink:

darkmaster21 · Post by **darkmaster21** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:32 am

Fat_Smurf wrote:int with snow shield own this cap

*cough* bow *cough*

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:33 am

_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

Scaglietti · Post by **Scaglietti** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:39 am

in PvP and jobbing, i would say bladers own the 80 gap, but in grinding its Rogues, 1 hit ownage with great survivability.

PB_and_J · Post by **PB_and_J** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:45 am

Scaglietti wrote:in PvP and jobbing, i would say bladers own the 80 gap, but in grinding its Rogues, 1 hit ownage with great survivability.

I luled.

StacE · Post by **StacE** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:08 am

60 Cap -> Ice bladers x)

70 Cap -> Glaivers imo.

80 Cap -> Euro's and anything Sun really...

knubbka · Post by **knubbka** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:24 am

XemnasXD wrote:
_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

thats not true, in 70's you were able to tank easily 2-3 bladers with glaiver
glaiver could kill em one by one, the only most annoying thing were KDs
but bladers werent able to deal enough dmg to kill glaiver
but 2 crits with glaive and blader was six feet under :roll:

Post by **Rainigul** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:01 am

60- ice blader
70 - fire blader
80 (no skill update) - hybrid spear
80 (skill update) - Rogue/Wizard/2h Sword/Bow

Apachai_ · Post by **Apachai_** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:14 am

60 Cap: hmm i would say Glaive because ice bladers well it just meant you couldn't or it was difficult to kill them. It doesn't mean they were the best and back then there was no autopot and auto pill and no-one knew how to be immune to ice etc. In Xian the top 5 players were all glaive users Monkeynoob and some others.

70 Cap: Glavie, nuff said, against sos, any build glavie seemed to crush them all. Bladers could tank..but cudnt kill...no surprise there. Here is a example, my friend fought against bladers, sos spear, sos swords, bow, sos bow, other glaives sos glavies, etc all types: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9X45Wp2nzk

80 Cap: Here is the Tier List:

Bow: Knock-back, Crit Increase, and Stun...WOW just WOW, really difficult to fight Bow, even if they dont Dmg you its hard to get close and do some dmg as they have 5 tries for knock-bak and surely everytime one of those 5 shots will knock-bak so they might as well say 100% knock -bak and also a hidden 2 sec stun after that knock-bak, you cant immediately run towards the bow..in those 2 secs he gets a few more shots in.

Is it CHEAP? hehe yea, while the bower is safely distanced from you, hes chipping ure HP slowly then if he gets Stun or Crit he takes about half or more and then chips it slowy again and boom til ya dead while hes safe and far away. There is only one way to beat a bow and that is to overpower him by Sun or sumfin or really high crit weopon.

Pom seems to do a good job here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUE_KY4WJ0U but only if you give him 5 mins hehe

Pure Int Sword: 2min manashield and bleed/division/impotent status' for this cap made pure int swords esp Sun Swords very dangerous to fight against, they deal alot of dmg + manashield and status. If you dont pill the status' you can kiss ure win good-bye. But their greatest move is also their weakness, they have 2mins of invincibility but..after 2mins...its over for them. All strs have to do is Tank those 2mins of their manashield by using Pills, Manashield, Stun, Knock-bak, Knock-Down, Fan(for Glavies: gets the job down good) etc and then...Pure Int Swords are in trouble and i always get them using this strategy, they all WTF? ^^

Hybrid Spear: Same as Pure Int Swords but they lose bit more because they dont have block and are hybrid...easier to kill then Pure Int Sword. If a Str Glavie gets stun and crit on Hybrid Spear...even with manashield they can die, I've done it more than twice.

Bladers: Bladers and their status's in this cap makes them kill now, quite dangerous...but still it takes them along time to do so. Still the best tank in the game. Still havent found a way to kill Pom....

and last Glavies: Glavies got nuting cept dull status and new SSE Emperor. Glaives sure didnt anything great but i still managed to kill the other builds using the above strats, guess glaives didnt need much this cap anyway..but wait til cap 90, Glavies will be top tier xD

And the other euros: well i have fought all and their Pot Delay really really is bad for them. I fought against 80 Warrior, 80 Crossbow, 80 Wizard, and Manashield is their weakness...they cant seem to do anything to us with it on. A wizard cannot 1 shot me with manashield on...and he takes first show i see him, throw my glaive and hes dead, if i wanted to i wud use pills to see where he is or use conbustion buff and hes dead man walking. Warriors and Crossbow have really awesome DMG 13-17k Crits but still those come too late and by then euros have low HP and still on the delay, a couple more shots and they are dead. Chinese still rox SRO xD

jay0303 · Post by **jay0303** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:29 am

dam fool how long it take u type that

int s/s will rule the lvl 100 cap becasuse of mana shield and other crap lolz :wink:

zZh4ku · Post by **zZh4ku** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:46 am

Fat_Smurf wrote:int with snow shield own this cap

INT don't own this cap..

wtf you smoking.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:05 am

knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

thats not true, in 70's you were able to tank easily 2-3 bladers with glaiver
glaiver could kill em one by one, the only most annoying thing were KDs
but bladers werent able to deal enough dmg to kill glaiver
but 2 crits with glaive and blader was six feet under

lets see Sun Glaive Vs Sun Blade+Shield....my bets on the Blader, nothing could stop them them especially not an str based glaiver, castle shield....from my experience the most feared build of the 70 cap was the Blader....nuff said....

knubbka · Post by **knubbka** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:18 am

XemnasXD wrote:
knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

thats not true, in 70's you were able to tank easily 2-3 bladers with glaiver
glaiver could kill em one by one, the only most annoying thing were KDs
but bladers werent able to deal enough dmg to kill glaiver
but 2 crits with glaive and blader was six feet under

lets see Sun Glaive Vs Sun Blade+Shield....my bets on the Blader, nothing could stop them them especially not an str based glaiver, castle shield....from my experience the most feared build of the 70 cap was the Blader....nuff said....

what a pity I havent heard about any owning blader those times..
but almost everyone with glaive in hands was dominating

and we are talking about 70's not presence
as was said already:

70 Cap: Glavie, nuff said, against sos, any build glavie seemed to crush them all. Bladers could tank..but cudnt kill...no surprise there. Here is a example, my friend fought against bladers, sos spear, sos swords, bow, sos bow, other glaives sos glavies, etc all types: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9X45Wp2nzk

I can add:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVpJ_FAcJk
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ey2d5u-ufQ
there are also many others, you can google em'

perhaps you can answer with some vids showing bladers pwning those days

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:49 am

knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

thats not true, in 70's you were able to tank easily 2-3 bladers with glaiver
glaiver could kill em one by one, the only most annoying thing were KDs
but bladers werent able to deal enough dmg to kill glaiver
but 2 crits with glaive and blader was six feet under

lets see Sun Glaive Vs Sun Blade+Shield....my bets on the Blader, nothing could stop them them especially not an str based glaiver, castle shield....from my experience the most feared build of the 70 cap was the Blader....nuff said....

what a pity I havent heard about any owning blader those times..
but almost everyone with glaive in hands was dominating

and we are talking about 70's not presence
as was said already:

70 Cap: Glavie, nuff said, against sos, any build glavie seemed to crush them all. Bladers could tank..but cudnt kill...no surprise there. Here is a example, my friend fought against bladers, sos spear, sos swords, bow, sos bow, other glaives sos glavies, etc all types: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9X45Wp2nzk

I can add:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVpJ_FAcJk
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ey2d5u-ufQ
there are also many others, you can google em'

perhaps you can answer with some vids showing bladers pwning those days

LOL in the first vid you i didn't see a single fight against a blader it was all bow spear sword and glaive...i wonder why....

And in the second video you "added" i never saw the glaiver kill a blader 1vs1....it was general job warring and the one blader that i saw died got hit by a nuke....

The third one same as the second one....

I saw no definite 1vs1 Glaive vs Blade fighting so i don't see what your basing your decision on. From personal experience during the 70 cap bladers ruled everyone was afraid of them especially if they had Suns....like i said nuff said

70 cap Blader>70 cap Glaiver

knubbka · Post by **knubbka** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:02 am

XemnasXD wrote:
knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
knubbka wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
_Madness_ wrote:lol bladers owned 70 cap actually. glaivers owned 80 cap before euro /skill update. now euro own everything

qft

thats not true, in 70's you were able to tank easily 2-3 bladers with glaiver
glaiver could kill em one by one, the only most annoying thing were KDs
but bladers werent able to deal enough dmg to kill glaiver
but 2 crits with glaive and blader was six feet under

lets see Sun Glaive Vs Sun Blade+Shield....my bets on the Blader, nothing could stop them them especially not an str based glaiver, castle shield....from my experience the most feared build of the 70 cap was the Blader....nuff said....

what a pity I havent heard about any owning blader those times..
but almost everyone with glaive in hands was dominating

and we are talking about 70's not presence
as was said already:

70 Cap: Glavie, nuff said, against sos, any build glavie seemed to crush them all. Bladers could tank..but cudnt kill...no surprise there. Here is a example, my friend fought against bladers, sos spear, sos swords, bow, sos bow, other glaives sos glavies, etc all types: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9X45Wp2nzk

I can add:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVpJ_FAcJk
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ey2d5u-ufQ
there are also many others, you can google em'

perhaps you can answer with some vids showing bladers pwning those days

LOL in the first vid you i didn't see a single fight against a blader it was all bow spear sword and glaive...i wonder why....

And in the second video you "added" i never saw the glaiver kill a blader 1vs1....it was general job warring and the one blader that i saw died got hit by a nuke....

The third one same as the second one....

I saw no definite 1vs1 Glaive vs Blade fighting so i don't see what your basing your decision on. From personal experience during the 70 cap bladers ruled everyone was afraid of them especially if they had Suns....like i said nuff said

70 cap Blader>70 cap Glaiver

yes yes suns in 70 cap
like you said
nuff said :roll:

now EVERYTHING is clear

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:10 am

don't give me sarcasm now that your "proof" just blew up in your face....i made a point my opinion from my experiences playing this game....you didn't have to quote it and you don't have to continue especially since you've clearly run out of anything to base your argument off of.....just go back to discussing the topic like the right of the ppl and stop trying to prove me wrong just go with your opinion....

DracroniC · Post by **DracroniC** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:19 am

Fat_Smurf wrote:int with snow shield own this cap

Lol sure, if they have full sun. Theres no pure int that kills me anymore, even with snowshield. I just wait out the snowshield. Now before you claim I'd die or I have sun. Wrong, I've got no sun. I'm using a 72-77+5 garment/accessory set, 72+7 Glavie 12crit and a 72+5 bow 9crit.

My build is unique, only one I've ever seen, 80Glavie 80Bow 80Fire 60Lightning.

Second an int throws on snowshield(no matter what lvl of snowshield), I pull out my bow and toggle between Strongbow and 5 Arrow Combo. The Strongbow gets stun so thats always fun, and the 5 Arrow Combo happens often enough that it stops their nukes most the time or lightning chain combo if they have it. If anything ever gets me past 1/2 hp I simply switch to glavie, snakestorm, back to bow. The second that snowshield is done, strongbow(hope for crit) if not then its SSE SSS Windless GSM and it's over.

Apachai_ · Post by **Apachai_** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:21 am

jay0303 wrote:dam fool how long it take u type that

int s/s will rule the lvl 100 cap becasuse of mana shield and other crap lolz

not too long xD SRF Good Read hehe

XemnasXD: Like i said , give a blader 5 mins...and he will kill you when you run out of pots. When we were on wars everyone would kill the glaiver or bow man..and didnt bother with the bladers why? because they were the least threat. If Tanking at Cap 70 was the topic..then Bladers hands down..even now at cap 80...its bladers...and probaby in the future lol

Tier List for Cap 70:

Glaive
Spear
Bow
Blade
Sword

DarkJackal · Post by **DarkJackal** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:24 am

Blader at the 70 cap couldn't kill barely >.>, unless it was a bot with sos +7, but not counting cheats and just builds.. blader did not.

I'd say glaive had the 70 cap but thats only cus the stun and knockback, I could tank bladers and glaivers at the 70 cap, I couldn't really kill either cus the constant knock back and knock down and stun though, but I know to glaivers I certainly did enough to dmg that if I had knock back or stun at the time I could of killed em.

Iuno much bout the 80 cap, i'm not capped and haven't pvp'd much, most i've seen is just bots with suns but I don't expect to see anything else.

robustica · Post by **robustica** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:14 am

I don't say I agree on blader owning 70 cap, but there is one who did own! (leaving aside how he managed)

but here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcMzfKGECdk

Alterran · Post by **Alterran** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:42 pm

akuji^ wrote:Glaive owned at every cap, good defence and good damage.

Best of both worlds

lol no at 60 cap bladers owned all even glaivers died from bladers

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:46 pm

i cant belive how you all say that glaivers or bladers owned 70 cap, yeah rofl.
I still remember how everytime a full sos pure/hybrid sworder surged on greece, it owned everyone.
A clear example, how did masterpuxxy owned with a +4 sos sword, poseidon with a +9 sos glaiver (they all have sos gear too).
And D34TH too....Nobody could own them, or masterpuxxy at least.
Meh.

mosiac · Post by **mosiac** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:50 pm

XemnasXD wrote:don't give me sarcasm now that your "proof" just blew up in your face....i made a point my opinion from my experiences playing this game....you didn't have to quote it and you don't have to continue especially since you've clearly run out of anything to base your argument off of.....just go back to discussing the topic like the right of the ppl and stop trying to prove me wrong just go with your opinion....

your experience in this game?
you don't even know that we didn't have suns at the 70cap. What experience?

Fly · Post by **Fly** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:34 pm

rofl at the ice bladers fan club. get over it. ice bladers never owned anything. you cant even use stabs as an ice blader.

60 cap was all fire glaviers
70 cap was fire bladers and fire glaviers
80 cap is all archers
and 90 cap will be back to glaviers and back to the start of the cycle.

and when u talk about "owning", your talking about the 10% at the top, mostly bots with full sos or sosun. so the fact that your full +3 xxxxx build pwned a full +1 blader at the 70 cap means shit.

this also does not take into acount the players skill. 60 cap had some amazing archers, even tho bow was gimp like hell. 70 cap had amazing spear nukers even tho they were all 1 shots even to crappy bladers. and the 80 cap has a few glaviers doing very well even tho bow outshines then in every way possible.

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