Is it me or are Dual Axes desperately overlooked?

Discuss building Silkroad characters and learning skill trees. Ask for advice and opinions, or help others.
Post Reply
User avatar
OlHybrid
Casual Member
Posts: 86
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:00 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Absolute or relative?

Is it me or are Dual Axes desperately overlooked?

Post by OlHybrid »

To me (at least on paper) there are 2 great features from dual axes:
- Their main means of crowd control is stun.
Unlike KD, that means you won't lose DPS from an assisting caster.
Unlike KB, you don't have to chase your target constantly and risk a bad bodypull.
- They rely on combos.
Meaning shield blocks have to be calculated for each blow.
One of the combos deals more damage when (among other things) the target is stunned, which can be achieved with both a combo and the sprint assault.

So all in all this look like a darn fine, party-friendly line with sustained damage.

Why exactly do so few users seem to advocate going that way? Still stuck in the "1vs1 cape fight outside DW" mentality?

User avatar
Perseus
Common Member
Posts: 174
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:24 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Venus

Re: Is it me or are Dual Axes desperately overlooked?

Post by Perseus »

OlHybrid wrote:To me (at least on paper) there are 2 great features from dual axes:
- Their main means of crowd control is stun.
Unlike KD, that means you won't lose DPS from an assisting caster.
Unlike KB, you don't have to chase your target constantly and risk a bad bodypull.
- They rely on combos.
Meaning shield blocks have to be calculated for each blow.
One of the combos deals more damage when (among other things) the target is stunned, which can be achieved with both a combo and the sprint assault.

So all in all this look like a darn fine, party-friendly line with sustained damage.

Why exactly do so few users seem to advocate going that way? Still stuck in the "1vs1 cape fight outside DW" mentality?


The main reason people don't like dual axers is not because of their role in pt, but because of their PvP ability (as you've stated). They neither have the high attk power of 2Hers (thus not resulting in instant-KOs) nor do they have the defensive power of 1Hers. In the end, they're just average. Stuns help, but the axers are screwed if the stuns don't work. However, a 2Her can immediately use KB/KD after sprint assault to immediately KO the opponent, while 1Her can use shield thrash and other stuff to repel attacks and tank it out. Dual axers need to use multiple attacks and chains to KO their opponent, hence giving the opponent more time to fight back if the stuns fail.

User avatar
OlHybrid
Casual Member
Posts: 86
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:00 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Absolute or relative?

Re: Is it me or are Dual Axes desperately overlooked?

Post by OlHybrid »

Perseus wrote:
OlHybrid wrote:To me (at least on paper) there are 2 great features from dual axes:
- Their main means of crowd control is stun.
Unlike KD, that means you won't lose DPS from an assisting caster.
Unlike KB, you don't have to chase your target constantly and risk a bad bodypull.
- They rely on combos.
Meaning shield blocks have to be calculated for each blow.
One of the combos deals more damage when (among other things) the target is stunned, which can be achieved with both a combo and the sprint assault.

So all in all this look like a darn fine, party-friendly line with sustained damage.

Why exactly do so few users seem to advocate going that way? Still stuck in the "1vs1 cape fight outside DW" mentality?


The main reason people don't like dual axers is not because of their role in pt, but because of their PvP ability (as you've stated). They neither have the high attk power of 2Hers (thus not resulting in instant-KOs) nor do they have the defensive power of 1Hers. In the end, they're just average. Stuns help, but the axers are screwed if the stuns don't work. However, a 2Her can immediately use KB/KD after sprint assault to immediately KO the opponent, while 1Her can use shield thrash and other stuff to repel attacks and tank it out. Dual axers need to use multiple attacks and chains to KO their opponent, hence giving the opponent more time to fight back if the stuns fail.

Actually, the attack speed of dual axe combos is faster than the single blow KD/KB from the other lines (which also only have a "chance" to land). So the stun can interrupt those moves.

Boontang
Regular Member
Posts: 202
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:00 pm

Re: Is it me or are Dual Axes desperately overlooked?

Post by Boontang »

OlHybrid wrote:
Perseus wrote:
OlHybrid wrote:To me (at least on paper) there are 2 great features from dual axes:
- Their main means of crowd control is stun.
Unlike KD, that means you won't lose DPS from an assisting caster.
Unlike KB, you don't have to chase your target constantly and risk a bad bodypull.
- They rely on combos.
Meaning shield blocks have to be calculated for each blow.
One of the combos deals more damage when (among other things) the target is stunned, which can be achieved with both a combo and the sprint assault.

So all in all this look like a darn fine, party-friendly line with sustained damage.

Why exactly do so few users seem to advocate going that way? Still stuck in the "1vs1 cape fight outside DW" mentality?


The main reason people don't like dual axers is not because of their role in pt, but because of their PvP ability (as you've stated). They neither have the high attk power of 2Hers (thus not resulting in instant-KOs) nor do they have the defensive power of 1Hers. In the end, they're just average. Stuns help, but the axers are screwed if the stuns don't work. However, a 2Her can immediately use KB/KD after sprint assault to immediately KO the opponent, while 1Her can use shield thrash and other stuff to repel attacks and tank it out. Dual axers need to use multiple attacks and chains to KO their opponent, hence giving the opponent more time to fight back if the stuns fail.

Actually, the attack speed of dual axe combos is faster than the single blow KD/KB from the other lines (which also only have a "chance" to land). So the stun can interrupt those moves.


Make a pvp video and prove us wrong then plz.

User avatar
Foloroth
Regular Member
Posts: 278
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:39 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Earth

Post by Foloroth »

I took a dual axe,It's awesome and really fun in party,with a warlock giants and pt mobs are almost constantly stunned.

2h skills and the whole build in general looks so boring to me,every skill looks the same.

User avatar
-.-
Loyal Member
Posts: 1921
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:12 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: http://goo.gl/Lfwa

Post by -.- »

i have a dual axe... well i have all 3 warrior weapons :/

but i like dual axe pvp on warlocks... they have a passive holy word so well, it stops warlocks lol

User avatar
torinchibi
Story Teller
Posts: 1357
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:15 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Greece

Post by torinchibi »

....It's the same reason bladers and glaviers don't use chains in PvP. You can heal between hits, which makes all the attacks pretty useless vs chinese, but vs non-healing euros dual axes work pretty well.

2nd reason: If you are going to be switching between warrior weapons and warlock or cleric rod, you might as well keep the shield or, be able to deliver a nice 1 shot crit KO hit after switching.

3rd reason: Being average is ok and all, but you can't kill and you are a bad tanker, so in the end it doesn't really fit your needs. However, it is still the better weapon in mass PvP when you have a wizard and a cleric in your party so you can stun instead of KD and still take the dmg, while at the same time disabling targets.

Really, 9D axes look super bad ass, and I would love to see some people using them.

If you are fully farming, you might as well make the best of your mastery and try out all weapons. You might be surprised how good axes are when you use your warrior as a distraction instead of trying to get the kills yourself. If you are going axes, you should realize that euros are your killing targets and the chinese should be distracted with those stun skills.

User avatar
Glavie's Girl
Frequent Member
Posts: 1464
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:33 pm
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Aege

Post by Glavie's Girl »

-.- wrote:i have a dual axe... well i have all 3 warrior weapons :/

but i like dual axe pvp on warlocks... they have a passive holy word so well, it stops warlocks lol


you realize that the DoT's of warlock has two attacks on it? One is a magical damage that still hits you no matter what, and a effect damage (burn, posion). Now holy ward protects from burn and the posion damage but not bleed and the debuffs. Holy Ward wont protect you from 75% of warlock skills. :P
My pride and joy CrazySuby is no longer mine. She is and always will belong to Dutchy.

JacksColon
Advanced Member
Posts: 2018
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:56 pm
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Rome

Post by JacksColon »

I have a dual-axe dude, and he's pretty fun. the combos are awesome. He's just so darn slow! but, have some moving speed scrolls thanks to the lame halloween event! :D
<<Banned For Rules Violation>> - Key-J

User avatar
Glavie's Girl
Frequent Member
Posts: 1464
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:33 pm
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Aege

Post by Glavie's Girl »

All euros are slow except for the bard of course.
My pride and joy CrazySuby is no longer mine. She is and always will belong to Dutchy.

User avatar
ln
Valued Member
Posts: 374
Joined: Sun May 13, 2007 4:32 pm
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Poseidon

Post by ln »

dual axe can chop trees to make arrows/bolts twice as fast.
Casual Lvl 57 Light-Spear - STOPPED
CareFree Lvl 67 Light-Glaive - STOPPED
BaggyPants Lvl 68 Ice-Ice-Baby - Training
Confused Lvl 13 xbow - STOPPED


Image
Premium Gold Ticket for instant login to hell?

User avatar
Glavie's Girl
Frequent Member
Posts: 1464
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:33 pm
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: Aege

Post by Glavie's Girl »

LoL In!!!! I hate arrow/bolt drops. T_________T
My pride and joy CrazySuby is no longer mine. She is and always will belong to Dutchy.

User avatar
XemnasXD
Chronicle Writer
Posts: 9841
Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:20 am
Quick Reply: Yes
Location: US - Illidan

Post by XemnasXD »

if its any consolation i prefer to have a Axe warrior as my tank in party than having a 1H or 2H warrior....they don't KB or KD they only stun....
Image Image
signatures by Hostage Co. <3
~PoP is DEAD! My sTyLe is Supa-Flat!!~

Post Reply

Return to “Characters and Skills”