Why Euros are OVERPOWERED

[Dian Jie]

BooHoo

want a tissue?

Euro's are tooo overpowered, waaaaaaaaaaaa, mommy, not fair, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[XemnasXD]

you can't see it but im playing the worlds smallest violin right now...

[imagunnakill]

, if you use a shield get a block their pretty much dead. Also get the detects. Also if the rogue/wizards did not have those invisible/stealth moves then the moment they step out there mince meat.

indeed, being a 2handsword user my self i get a bit of both , being the pwner and pwnee, it all comes down how you use "your" skills the their best.

If im lucky and dont get stunned or blocked i stand a good chance with most ppl above my lvl, and that normaly for 45sec when iron and mana skin are on. and when im luckyer i get the first stun then kd and a few crits, bong is teh win .

it all comes down to how well you use your skill.

[Emiel]

im sick of this bullshit everywhere, you dont notice that you can 1hit almost every europe? Im lvl 74 rogue, if i dont 1hit my oppenent, im dead.
Stop crying and learn how to play your char.

Idd, if I don't get first hit on my lvl 26 mage, I'm dead..
I mean I have like <800 hp ..

[MrBow]

Lol cry me a fucking river

and then drown yourself in it

[0Kelvin]

Yeah, these high powered Euros are such a pain... Today I had to deal with a guy the same level as me constantly begging me to powerlevel him. How annoying.

Seriously, with Euros you either kill quickly or get killed quickly. It all depends on how well you play your character.

[fasd]

Really, to discuss that euros are overpowered you must try being an euro first.

Experience is Knowledge.

[Kori0129]

Instead of start arguing, i will tell you a little story:

I went outside of DW with my lvl53 int 90% hybrid nuker. I started killing nobb, while i was looking for lvl52-56 ones. Suddenly i died in a lagg. A rogue gave me a crit. he was lvl48. I didn'T know his lvl at first. I challenged him so we started a duel. The end was 6:4 to me. When he had invisibility, he came to me and killed me. When he used a too slow skill, i used shocklion on him. When he didn'T use dager desperate, i killed him, because his hit got blocked.
Who was empowered? None of us. In this game the 1vs1 PVP is not the only important . These important things too:
-grind (same speed)
-job (same chances)
-unique hunt (same chances)

just think a bit...

[punch]

thing is euros are designed to kill you FAST but they also have skills to do that FIRST.

fire detection doesn't even come close to being viable here. in fact almost all the detection skills are CRAP. i laugh whenever i see someone using it trying to detect me in my level 1 invis or anyone else. imo if they want to follow wow and make classes modelled after wow, then make the counters to them about the same if not DON'T.

[AkillerNXC]

Maybe if people didn't bot their way to 80, they'd actually know how to play it -.-

Euro's can be beaten, it's not hard. Topics like this should just be deleted, theres no point.

[OlHybrid]

It all depends on what you see as overpowered. Try pvping a lvl 80 2h warrior with 80 cleric submastery... You need hella luck [lotsa blocks... the warrior not critting... you stunning or knocking down enough... freeze the **** outa them... RUN...]. Killing them while theirs skins or bless is on is a bitch. Atleast you can still kill a lvl 80 int with a 50% mana shield on. The lvl 80 warrior on the other hand will out tank as long as those buffs last. Out lasting them isn't easy neither while they can drop you in one daredevil if you're an int or 3 or 4 skills for a str. In a warring situation, we versed a guild that had two 2-h warriors with cleric sub, a rogue with cleric sub, and 2 chinese glaivers vs 8 chinese on our side. Their bless spells, skins, damage sharing... etc made it extremely difficult to drop them, and to make it more interesting we had it in the chin tomb. With their ressing they were always together and had all men standing while we chinese had to run there. Every now and then we were able to wipe them all out before they could res, but we lost the war nonetheless.

It takes chinese players with decent coordination to take them out. Both our groups were on seperate vents and have had no trouble warring other guilds. A small group of euros is hella trouble even for 8+ chinese characters. Whether this game needs teamplay or not is obvious, but damn, euros are needed to aid chinese.

Your example raises an interesting issue. European characters don't need to sacrifice damage output to invest in a support tree.
Force being the only "real" support tree for Chinese, coupled with the fact that all weapons have phy/mag (meaning at least an imbue is pretty much as must) along with buffs being spread thin across different masteries makes it tough in the long run. Especially as the level cap raises.
Sure, as someone else stated, it's not Chinese vs Euro, though after spending time grinding your way up on a Chinese it bites to have all this jeopardized by some questionable class design. Time to consider building mixed groups, folks.

[EngravedDemon]

Maybe if people didn't bot their way to 80, they'd actually know how to play it -.-

Euro's can be beaten, it's not hard. Topics like this should just be deleted, theres no point.

+1

There are actually really good Chinese Players out there, and some of them don't even have suns... Those I enjoy fighting

[EngravedDemon]

It all depends on what you see as overpowered. Try pvping a lvl 80 2h warrior with 80 cleric submastery... You need hella luck [lotsa blocks... the warrior not critting... you stunning or knocking down enough... freeze the **** outa them... RUN...]. Killing them while theirs skins or bless is on is a bitch. Atleast you can still kill a lvl 80 int with a 50% mana shield on. The lvl 80 warrior on the other hand will out tank as long as those buffs last. Out lasting them isn't easy neither while they can drop you in one daredevil if you're an int or 3 or 4 skills for a str. In a warring situation, we versed a guild that had two 2-h warriors with cleric sub, a rogue with cleric sub, and 2 chinese glaivers vs 8 chinese on our side. Their bless spells, skins, damage sharing... etc made it extremely difficult to drop them, and to make it more interesting we had it in the chin tomb. With their ressing they were always together and had all men standing while we chinese had to run there. Every now and then we were able to wipe them all out before they could res, but we lost the war nonetheless.

It takes chinese players with decent coordination to take them out. Both our groups were on seperate vents and have had no trouble warring other guilds. A small group of euros is hella trouble even for 8+ chinese characters. Whether this game needs teamplay or not is obvious, but damn, euros are needed to aid chinese.

Thats the thing... People somehow take it personally now as it being Euro Vs Chinese... I don't get it really, Chinese buffed with Euros are hella strong... Most people whining here are probably capers crying about dying on a 1v1 with a euro character...

My guild has 5 high lvl euros, 2 Cleric/Bards, 1 Rogue/Cleric, 1 Wiz/Cleric and my 2H/Cleric... Fighting against even 10+ Chinese would be nothing but a piece of cake, but if they'd have euros on their side too, it's gonna be a different story... SO just embrace how useful euros are, especially in a mass pvp, and make friends with them instead of constantly insulting them. Hehe

[ericxdeath]

I don't get how those people are moaning about Euros 1 hitting them. NO, they don't ALWAYS 1 hit you. As for crits, Chinese str chars need crits to kill each other (fast) as well.


I find it quite funny how people called wizards and rogues noobs coz they go in invisible mode. Thats their game FFS. Would you call a chinese char who use snow sheild or iron shield etc when pvping? or try to run with ghost walk? Oh wait. I have seen many chinese players doing this. When they pvpd and got stun and were dead, then they moaned "dam this stun" or "dam this kd". It is like the other player used some glitch or hack to make them stunned/kd and they died because of that. You sucked/lost/were unlucky/whatever in this fight. Peroid.

And all to those chinese noobs who are saying lets PVP and see how it is to Euros. May I ask what is the purpose of playing EU? Aren't they for partying mostly? or They are created to pvp and pwn every one in one on one? Thats why they have pots delay and you don't. Thats why they have some stat effects and high damage outputs but with lower defences. Now, Get it? So when you have advantage against them in one on one, they have other advantage agianst you in other situations. You kill them some time, they kill you some time. Most moaning and bitching I have seen/heard are from those some SUN players who got their SUNs from whatever they did and pwning other chars with them and now they get their ass kicked often and they start bitching how life sucks.

We all do pvp once in awhile but is this game is purely based on one on one pvp type? Ask yourself.

My point is deal with it. Those skills are there to use. If you can't deal with it, make yourself a EU char or quit playing at all.

When your dealing with stun/kd various other skills like those, its not like invisibility, those skills have a percent to do that, invisibility is a diffrent Farking story, you don't even know your pvping, when some newb euro trys to kill you.

[eiseli22]

I don't get how those people are moaning about Euros 1 hitting them. NO, they don't ALWAYS 1 hit you. As for crits, Chinese str chars need crits to kill each other (fast) as well.


I find it quite funny how people called wizards and rogues noobs coz they go in invisible mode. Thats their game FFS. Would you call a chinese char who use snow sheild or iron shield etc when pvping? or try to run with ghost walk? Oh wait. I have seen many chinese players doing this. When they pvpd and got stun and were dead, then they moaned "dam this stun" or "dam this kd". It is like the other player used some glitch or hack to make them stunned/kd and they died because of that. You sucked/lost/were unlucky/whatever in this fight. Peroid.

And all to those chinese noobs who are saying lets PVP and see how it is to Euros. May I ask what is the purpose of playing EU? Aren't they for partying mostly? or They are created to pvp and pwn every one in one on one? Thats why they have pots delay and you don't. Thats why they have some stat effects and high damage outputs but with lower defences. Now, Get it? So when you have advantage against them in one on one, they have other advantage agianst you in other situations. You kill them some time, they kill you some time. Most moaning and bitching I have seen/heard are from those some SUN players who got their SUNs from whatever they did and pwning other chars with them and now they get their ass kicked often and they start bitching how life sucks.

We all do pvp once in awhile but is this game is purely based on one on one pvp type? Ask yourself.

My point is deal with it. Those skills are there to use. If you can't deal with it, make yourself a EU char or quit playing at all.

When your dealing with stun/kd various other skills like those, its not like invisibility, those skills have a percent to do that, invisibility is a diffrent Farking story, you don't even know your pvping, when some newb euro trys to kill you.

Of course they are different. It was just an example of how people moan whenever they lose. You don't see they do when they win? And tell me if there is any rule like you can't use certain skills in pvp, jobbing, whatever etc? Again, skills are there to use. You want a fair fight in pvp? Why don't you and the other get same build, stats, weapon and doing the same damage?

And when you don't know you are pvping, so you are not pvping then, what is the big deal about it?

[OlHybrid]

im sick of this bullshit everywhere, you dont notice that you can 1hit almost every europe? Im lvl 74 rogue, if i dont 1hit my oppenent, im dead.
Stop crying and learn how to play your char.

Kinda funny too how more often than not it will be a rogue player who comes up with that "learn to play"... As if their class required anything remotely close to skill.
Anyway who the hell is the retard who came up with the idea that "stealth = invisibility"??
Ever played Thief: The Dark Project? THAT is stealth...
Hell, even the Predator's cloaking ability makes more sense.

[/Pi]

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*FREE HUGS*

[skandal]

I'm in total agreement.

No one should ever have to play a game where

1). Spent 1.5 years grinding your way to 80 and Farm all your SP
2). Have maxed out gears, +5 Gears with awesome blues

This character should rock.

REALITY

Its a piece of shit build that's worthless and sux big a.ss balls.

A noob retard Euro 10 levels below you comes and 1 hits you with a 25K Crit from Rogue skill or 20K Nuke from some noob wizard.

Its beyond stupid. COmpletely lame.

idiot you just won yourself the naked mudfighting number 1 award....20k nuke from a wizzard 10 lvls bellow...do you even hear yourself ? if that's the case, hella your chars sucks so much you deserve your fate....

You know...since this euro thing came..actually the game got...less...ummm less boring... Now there still are some people who aren't willing to join the smart side yet...the quote i posted should be enough proof of that...Yeah there are still people who regret ex-chineese pummelling in job wars...just go there and hit...and then use mercs/call other people noobs if you die....

the first contact i had with an euro was a lvl 45 rogue of a friend's and i thought : awesome....i really had the fun of my life time stabbing people while stealth...Now, i got my own lvl 66 wizzard and im aiming for the cap...Yah i can 1 shoot people like 3-4 levels higher but i die in 1 shot also...And honestly, i fought alot of chineese tards along the way...it's like:

he comes to nuke me, i nuke he dies
he comes to nuke me again, i nuke he dies(remember, wiz nukes are faster and have longer range)
he tries that 1-2 more times, then goes somewhere idk where
comes zerk, he tries to nuke, he dies....I am realy sorry for the ones that find themselves in my little story....you deserve your faith....a simple lion shout from somebody who is already (um) 5 lvls higher and a spear build would have done me....or a flying dragon flow....but instead...he kept trying to nuke.
Sad people try to find solutions in the same idiotic routines that give no result....I have fought only 1 player that realised that, and kept throwing his glaive at me...the rest were like sitting ducks...just go inv, pick one and watch him die...pretty nice.
Plus im really amused when somebody rushes out dw and uses that inv detect skill like he solved all his problems...i look and next to my character is...woot invisible 3 level detect...there ya go, if i was 30 i'd have been dead...for the time being i only know of 3-4 high levels which actually do have detect higher than lvl 3...

Anyway...things will change...as euro's hit the cap, they start pimping their stuff...and alchemy is a damn bitch at deciding the end of a combat...so chineese chars won't be able to 1hit me anymore with fast skills....that's all i care for....insane damage + tanking 1 shot = invincible by any chineese in pvp....

And to ilustrate the power of buffs, there's another little story...i was warring outside dw yesterday and there was some turk lvl 80 with a +7 bow...now he usually shot me down whenever he could and his skills did massive damage(like 10k) on me...then some euro 2h/cleric lvl 72 came and buffed me, i went out and got hit again...not for 5k, not for 1k, but for 100, he even critted 500 on me....even the warrior told me : dont run now....when the buffs are overm then run....So hella yeah, at lvl 80 with that kind of buffs and some +5 light armor set i could solo yarkan...and god damn im pure int .

[Zing]

Anyway who the hell is the retard who came up with the idea that "stealth = invisibility"??
Ever played Thief: The Dark Project? THAT is stealth...
Hell, even the Predator's cloaking ability makes more sense.

Invisibility can describe stealth.
And stealth can describe being invisible.

Being stealthy is to move in a covert way. To be covert is to be concealed and the concealment is the invisibility.

[arctic197]

BooHoo

want a tissue?

Euro's are tooo overpowered, waaaaaaaaaaaa, mommy, not fair, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

LMAO +1

[Carnophage]

Why euros are overpowered? Simple question. To get more people playing them.

Think about it. Why is there no euro 7th and 8th degree SoX dropping. Imagine there being as much euro sun as there is chinese. You'd basicly have allmost immortal euro's that could kill you with half their damage.

I'm not sure about all of this. But from the viewpoint of Joymax it would make sense. Make the new race stronger at the start. Get more people in to it.(getting more people that would have stopped to wait for 90 cap to start a euro character and spend some silk in the time being.) And then when there is a nice and balanced community even it out.

I expect we will see a change in the way euros hold themselves at either 90 cap, in between 90 and 100, or at 100 cap. Cause at one point or another euro is getting SoX above 6th degree. And if it isn't balanced better. All chinese character better be prepared to be wiped out

[phulshof]

The reason some Euro chars are dealing a lot of damage is simple: party play. If you're party grinding, you have 2-3 characters doing little other than healing HP and MP. This means that the other characters will have to make up for that in damage, and so you've got a few heavy hitters in the Euro classes. It's usually these same classes that die very easily without their support classes if you play your cards right.

Learn to live with the diversity of characters, and start partying sometime. Play the character type you want in stead of complaining about how weak your character is.

We had a nice pvp party outside DW the other day. 3 bards playing almost every music and dance line available. Our lvl 68 glaive held his own against fully farmed lvl 80s quite nicely, and that was with lvl 40-55 bards. Trust me: when you get party pvp at lvl 90, you'll actually need battle tactics to win. As for 1vs1 pvp: if that's what you're playing for, then pick the character type best suited for that role. I prefer to play in groups, and from the looks of all the recent and upcoming changes: so does Joymax...

[Carnophage]

The reason some Euro chars are dealing a lot of damage is simple: party play.

The thing you are forgetting is that euros can easily combine 2 things. You can be a wizard/bard or warrior/cleric. You can be a damage class and still have the advantage of a totally different class.

Chinese at the cap all have to get weapon skill and the basic light fire ice combinations to hold themselves in pvp. The fact that chinese chars can allready use up their 300 mastery should mean that they'd have to be the ones that are overpowered. If at some point the lvl will rise Joymax will need to adjust the chinese skills for 2 masteries.

Imagine a fullskilled warrior lv 80 with all +4 gear and no subskill vs a lv 80 glavier fullskilled with +4 gear. He could probably give the glavier a run for his money with only 1 skill tree. Then add cleric sub to the equasion.

[Renton]

It all depends on what you see as overpowered. Try pvping a lvl 80 2h warrior with 80 cleric submastery... You need hella luck [lotsa blocks... the warrior not critting... you stunning or knocking down enough... freeze the **** outa them... RUN...]. Killing them while theirs skins or bless is on is a bitch. Atleast you can still kill a lvl 80 int with a 50% mana shield on. The lvl 80 warrior on the other hand will out tank as long as those buffs last. Out lasting them isn't easy neither while they can drop you in one daredevil if you're an int or 3 or 4 skills for a str. In a warring situation, we versed a guild that had two 2-h warriors with cleric sub, a rogue with cleric sub, and 2 chinese glaivers vs 8 chinese on our side. Their bless spells, skins, damage sharing... etc made it extremely difficult to drop them, and to make it more interesting we had it in the chin tomb. With their ressing they were always together and had all men standing while we chinese had to run there. Every now and then we were able to wipe them all out before they could res, but we lost the war nonetheless.

It takes chinese players with decent coordination to take them out. Both our groups were on seperate vents and have had no trouble warring other guilds. A small group of euros is hella trouble even for 8+ chinese characters. Whether this game needs teamplay or not is obvious, but damn, euros are needed to aid chinese.

Lost? It was rapage. D:

Skins, bless, invisible, and the dmg increase skills need a hiiiiiigher cool down. Just plain simple. If you take that away then euros would need team work. As now.. in a single 1vs1 with warrior/cleric it's as what he said because its lasts 45 sec with 2min cool down. The warrior has 30seconds to stay alive before he can shove something back up. Retarded I say. It was meant against to outlast monsters but well.. in the end it changes.

[-.-]

um... if lv 150 is cap...

chinese has to rely on euro chars being in same party...

pure str has weapon + fire = no speed (has to find bard)
pure int has 2 force or weapon + lighting (has no def buffs...)

so... i know lv 150 isnt anywhere close but it isnt any different except chinese chars seem to not know how to team play, after all it doesnt take much team work to bot/pot

and pvping a warrior/cleric isnt too hard, 2h needs long time for attacks so find a blader with quick attacks, a 1h is faster but lower so find a galvie for stronger attack

with bless/skin it isnt like they take 0 damage... you just have to do enough damage to be higher than their division and 15 second pot delays while o you can pot away damage

[phulshof]

The thing you are forgetting is that euros can easily combine 2 things. You can be a wizard/bard or warrior/cleric. You can be a damage class and still have the advantage of a totally different class.

Chinese at the cap all have to get weapon skill and the basic light fire ice combinations to hold themselves in pvp. The fact that chinese chars can allready use up their 300 mastery should mean that they'd have to be the ones that are overpowered. If at some point the lvl will rise Joymax will need to adjust the chinese skills for 2 masteries.

Imagine a fullskilled warrior lv 80 with all +4 gear and no subskill vs a lv 80 glavier fullskilled with +4 gear. He could probably give the glavier a run for his money with only 1 skill tree. Then add cleric sub to the equasion.

You once again focus on 1vs1 play here. If that's your focus, then by all means: play a Euro character! In party play however, this is not important.

Who cares if a warrior has recovery division as a skill? It won't nearly heal as much as a real cleric doing the work. The man has bless? Now see how much damage he takes and deals with a couple of bards in your party or after a warlock's done with him. What's important here is how to balance your party for optimal party battles. Have you noticed how bard buffs only affect party members, and how clerical party spells are a lot more powerful than non-party spells? This game is turning party based, plain and simple, and again: if you want 1vs1 pvp, play the character you think is most powerful in that regard.

When you look at it from a party perspective it comes down to higher damage vs faster potting. A cleric in a Euro party will be very busy healing people. A cleric in a Chinese party will be using damage spells. A bard in a Euro party will be busy keeping the spellcaster's MP up to speed. A bard in a Chinese party will be firing off his attack spells (which actually aren't all that weak, especially if you add the dance power).

[Carnophage]

Yes my focus is on 1v1. Cause if you take a euro party at this time vs a chinese party say bye to the chinese.

If euros were intended to be strong in party play that would mean that in 1v1 they would be weaker. But they are not. So that brings us to the question is the euro civ. overpowered at this time?

You would expect the 2 races to be balanced to each other. But they aren't. Euro dominates. Either you have a euro party or a chinese party with euro buffers.

What would you need a chinese nuker or glavier in a party for if you can keep a 2h swordsman or a wizard alive just as long with your cleric?

[borat2]

Yes my focus is on 1v1. Cause if you take a euro party at this time vs a chinese party say bye to the chinese.

If euros were intended to be strong in party play that would mean that in 1v1 they would be weaker. But they are not. So that brings us to the question is the euro civ. overpowered at this time?

You would expect the 2 races to be balanced to each other. But they aren't. Euro dominates. Either you have a euro party or a chinese party with euro buffers.

What would you need a chinese nuker or glavier in a party for if you can keep a 2h swordsman or a wizard alive just as long with your cleric?

disagree with you. try to do a job alone as euro you will die many times while you can survive it as china.
euros are meant to be assist class to china never was made to be alone either assist china or work as a group Euro together.

people moan too much about euro being overpowered while they totally arent, yes you might get 1 crit by a rogue or 1 nuked by a wizard but there are ways to protect yourself against them use them

you cant always grind in groups or do job in groups i am the type of player that does like to do whatever i want whenever i want it i don`t think i would be able to do that as an euro build.

[punch]

what's funny is you guys are saying chinese should party with euro to fight euro. that's like euros gimping themselves since a party of euros >>>> a party of euros + chinese. Think about it, a 2h warrior + cleric can be soo much more compared to a glaiver + cleric. it's just only too common now to see glaive bots pulling their botted cleric slaves around that's why people start to think euros should work with chinese when actually euros can do fine playing among themselves.

basically euros make chinese seem insignificant now.

the game wouldn't die at all if either race was removed, but atm there's a vastly superior race and a "leech" race.

[borat2]

what's funny is you guys are saying chinese should party with euro to fight euro. that's like euros gimping themselves since a party of euros >>>> a party of euros + chinese. Think about it, a 2h warrior + cleric can be soo much more compared to a glaiver + cleric. it's just only too common now to see glaive bots pulling their botted cleric slaves around.

basically euros make chinese seem insignificant now.

the game wouldn't die at all if either race was removed, but atm there's a vastly superior race and a "leech" race.

the game is not about what race you take. its about combining different aspects to make a good working group.
what do you consider the leeching race? all the euros that get power levelled by china chars? or the euros that help china chars in pvp? basically none is leeching this is supposed to be a multi player game you help me i help you kinda mentality, i prefer to be able to solo from time to time a thing that is really hard with an euro char can be done but its hard