Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

[Doctor_MOS]

ok thx

Quess i should have made my homework before posting

[elnawawi]

Jade Kiss ,

I wanna you give me permission to make new Full guide about this build to let people see what's this build and make it sticky instead of have to replay 1000 times on 70:70 topics ...

People find it's very hard to read all posts here in this topic ..

Can I ?

[Doctor_MOS]

Jade Kiss ,

I wanna you give me permission to make new Full guide about this build to let people see what's this build and make it sticky instead of have to replay 1000 times on 70:70 topics ...

People find it's very hard to read all posts here in this topic ..

Can I ?

I think it's a great idea

but you get just like inhere a large discussion about it

We both like a 70:70 build, but how to skill it we think both totally different

[elnawawi]

Jade Kiss ,

I wanna you give me permission to make new Full guide about this build to let people see what's this build and make it sticky instead of have to replay 1000 times on 70:70 topics ...

People find it's very hard to read all posts here in this topic ..

Can I ?

I think it's a great idea

but you get just like inhere a large discussion about it

We both like a 70:70 build, but how to skill it we think both totally different

No ,
I'm not mind closed .. in a guide I will show all possible choices and show what's pros & cons for each ..

I'm really think that I need to make also new quick build guide like this :
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=34322
as we don't have new one to the new skills and builds .. also cap 90 that will come soon .. but my problem is that I always love to make very detailed posts as you know so it will be so long to do ..

Any seggustions ?

[Doctor_MOS]

Jade Kiss ,

I wanna you give me permission to make new Full guide about this build to let people see what's this build and make it sticky instead of have to replay 1000 times on 70:70 topics ...

People find it's very hard to read all posts here in this topic ..

Can I ?

I think it's a great idea

but you get just like inhere a large discussion about it

We both like a 70:70 build, but how to skill it we think both totally different

No ,
I'm not mind closed .. in a guide I will show all possible choices and show what's pros & cons for each ..

I'm really think that I need to make also new quick build guide like this :
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=34322
as we don't have new one to the new skills and builds .. also cap 90 that will come soon .. but my problem is that I always love to make very detailed posts as you know so it will be so long to do ..

Any seggustions ?

If you have time for it, make it very detailed

I would it that way

[kate4231]

yes that is a very good idea maybe we should i could also help too as i have currenty got a lvl 53 full farmed 70;70 bow

[MrFudge]

so yea 55 pages worth of a;lskjd;alskda lol

anyone wanna tell me whats better about this 70:70 build than a pure str build, cuz this thread is sooo long i just want a definitive answer [prob wont get one if this topic is lke the bible]

ive watched undutchables 2 vids using both his lvl 80 bowman of those two builds, they used the same bow.

70 70 hit like 500-1k higher than a pure str non crit, and pure str hit 500-2k higher if it crit.

yet 70 70 has 7k less hp -.-

so whats the point?
i guess snow shield helps..

[Doctor_MOS]

so yea 55 pages worth of a;lskjd;alskda lol

anyone wanna tell me whats better about this 70:70 build than a pure str build, cuz this thread is sooo long i just want a definitive answer [prob wont get one if this topic is lke the bible]

ive watched undutchables 2 vids using both his lvl 80 bowman of those two builds, they used the same bow.

70 70 hit like 500-1k higher than a pure str non crit, and pure str hit 500-2k higher if it crit.

yet 70 70 has 7k less hp -.-

so whats the point?
i guess snow shield helps..

er from the vids:
Damge done by: 70:70 -----------------------------Pure STR
last strong bow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last strong bow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
2nd strong bow : 7k damge -------------------------5.5k damge
2nd strong bow : 10k crit damge -------------------11k crit damge
last devil arrow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last devil arrow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
last Anti-devil ::: 5.5k damge -----------------------5k damge
last anti-devil ::: 8k crit damge ---------------------10k crit damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 5 k damge ------------------------ 4k damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 7.5 crit damge---------------------8k crit damge
from undutchable...it's more like 1,5k (yeah elnawawi i copied and paste )
Critical can be around 500 with older books, towards 1,5-2k newer books

Elnawawi calculated in the ohter 70:70 or full str topic dat 70:70 does ALWAYS more damage, except if a full str got strong bow crit+anti devil crit.

-Ice snow allows you to take more damage then pure str
12K+(12*0,40)=16 800hp (If im right on the hp of a 70:70 bow
But it isn't extra hp, it's absortion, your hp pots need to refill less hp then pure str would
If a nuke hits 10K on a pure str...Hp is lowerd 10K
If a nuke hits 10K on a 70:70...Hp is lowerd for 6k (40% abosrtion)
Pure str needs to fill up 10k, 70:70 needs to fill up 6k copy?
-way higher dps, critcals don't really seems to matter, 70:70 willl have a higher dps, unless str got 3 crits in a row (which is VERY unlikely)
-It's faster in pve
I think this are the main reasons for picking this build

[Jadekiss]

Jade Kiss ,

I wanna you give me permission to make new Full guide about this build to let people see what's this build and make it sticky instead of have to replay 1000 times on 70:70 topics ...

People find it's very hard to read all posts here in this topic ..

Can I ?

Oh sure mate feel free to do whatever you want.. I think that would be nice since I dont have much time to do it
But if there are some questions just feel free to ask me per Mail or sth like that

[Doctor_MOS]

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 075#840075

[tomiotar]

er from the vids:
Damge done by: 70:70 -----------------------------Pure STR
last strong bow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last strong bow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
2nd strong bow : 7k damge -------------------------5.5k damge
2nd strong bow : 10k crit damge -------------------11k crit damge
last devil arrow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last devil arrow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
last Anti-devil ::: 5.5k damge -----------------------5k damge
last anti-devil ::: 8k crit damge ---------------------10k crit damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 5 k damge ------------------------ 4k damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 7.5 crit damge---------------------8k crit damge
from undutchable...it's more like 1,5k (yeah elnawawi i copied and paste )
Critical can be around 500 with older books, towards 1,5-2k newer books

In my opinion it has no sense compare the damage if it is against different people or even same people a different day. The damage totaly depends on the gear so you cant compare the damage from the vids if he dont use first one char and inmediatly login with the other and fight him again. With a 72+5 I got many times crits over 12k on farmed glaviers/bowmens but on other people I cant never reach 10k. This game is a gear game so you cant compare any damage without showing your oponent stats.


For MrFudge:

You ask why choose the hybrid instead pure str comparing the damage from those vids. That you dont have to forget is that he is using on both chars a sun bow and using a sun bow doesnt matter your build, you will always do high damage. If you ask me to choose between pure str or hybrid with sun weapon I will choose pure str, but if you ask me to choose with 72+5 I will choose hybrid.

[tusjan]

I have read teh debate about full str bow and 80:80 hybrid bow
Bow is made for full str all teh buffs passive and stuff are made for strenghning crit,maybe hybrid can make big damage but i have 11k hp lvl 61
my phys ballnce is 108 so i dont thik that a lvl 61 70:70 bow hybrid can beat me..
1 thin is sure DONT U EVER MAKE A FULL INT BOWMAN that really sux

and we dont have to debate is the hybrid or full str bowman best
BOW rocks and we can kill enyone

[Hasbin]

er from the vids:
Damge done by: 70:70 -----------------------------Pure STR
last strong bow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last strong bow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
2nd strong bow : 7k damge -------------------------5.5k damge
2nd strong bow : 10k crit damge -------------------11k crit damge
last devil arrow : 8k damge -------------------------6.5k damge
last devil arrow : 11k crit damge -------------------13k crit damge
last Anti-devil ::: 5.5k damge -----------------------5k damge
last anti-devil ::: 8k crit damge ---------------------10k crit damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 5 k damge ------------------------ 4k damge
2nd anti-devil ::: 7.5 crit damge---------------------8k crit damge
from undutchable...it's more like 1,5k (yeah elnawawi i copied and paste )
Critical can be around 500 with older books, towards 1,5-2k newer books

In my opinion it has no sense compare the damage if it is against different people or even same people a different day. The damage totaly depends on the gear so you cant compare the damage from the vids if he dont use first one char and inmediatly login with the other and fight him again. With a 72+5 I got many times crits over 12k on farmed glaviers/bowmens but on other people I cant never reach 10k. This game is a gear game so you cant compare any damage without showing your oponent stats.

Yeah and 1 thing to be added:
The pure str was fully farmed and 80
The 70:70 was 79 and had fire on 70

[glavie]

Doctor_MOS Thanks for your phantom tip, I do hit 2 skills ahead. It is a hard habit to break. But I think that is a major part of my problem.

elnawawi Look forward to any guides you write, I updated my guide based on your post.


Oh and I just switched to garment (was protector), so In a few weeks I will let you know how I am doing with that.

[muyo]

glaive..post ur result ur when ur done testing...

i really want to know whether this build should go

fire+protector with light support OR light+garment with ice def buff support

which offer more magical defense?int build will get this build into trouble...not to say str build is easy,but int hybrid build idea is too stand against those str char.

[Hasbin]

You think that I just throw words I don't know ?!
I calculated it :

Base phy def = phy def(item) + [STR * phy reinforce(item)]

it's easy to calculate every clothes item by this formula and know the excat def to compare ..

lvl 80 Pure str bow with full NPC garment set degree 7 Maxed with 55 STR blue (391 Total STR) have :
452.6 phy def
lvl 80 70:70 bow with full NPC protector set degree 7 Maxed with 55 STR blue (249 Total STR) have :
410.5 phy def

And now applied to 3rd tier npc gear+0 (took it from sro official site)

70:70 in protectors: 480.8+249x99.2%=727.8
full str in garments: 432.8+391x89.1%=781.1

~54def difference at lvl 80. Doesnt matter if you + it, cause the reinforce stays the same
But if you upgrade the chest to +1 in both garment and prot does it gain the same phy def??? Or does prot gain more in phy def and the garment more mag def per upgrade???
Cause if the prot gains more phy def each upgrade, the phy def difference will be smaller, or 70:70 prot will pass the pure str garments at a +5 set.
Any1 know how it works with upgrading?

[moenchone]

1337 GET \o/

[elnawawi]

70:70 in protectors: 480.8+249x99.2%=727.8
full str in garments: 432.8+391x89.1%=781.1

OMG .. it's 7% only not 10% ... nice

Any1 know how it works with upgrading?

both mag and phy def go with the same ratio ..
So if we said that garment have : (mag def = 1.9 phy def) and protector (mag = 1.6 phy def ) at +0 it will stay 1.9 , 1.6 ratio in +5 but with larger numbers ... so if you are true about that phy reinforce still the same at +++ so 70:70 in protector will have better phy def than pure str in +++ (the more + 70:70 get in clothes , the closer phy def he become to pure str) .. but i think that reinforce go up too at +++

[marckillz91]

Hii all,

watch my video,

enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxZJScgZ2Ak

[glavie]

LoL Doctor_Mos already posted the link, but yeah nice video. I remember the good ol days when no 1 was immune.

Anyone have a quick recommendation for a video recorder and editor, free of course

It would be interesting to see everyone playing their characters. I bet we have pretty varying styles.

[Doctor_MOS]

LoL Doctor_Mos already posted the link, but yeah nice video. I remember the good ol days when no 1 was immune.

Anyone have a quick recommendation for a video recorder and editor, free of course

It would be interesting to see everyone playing their characters. I bet we have pretty varying styles.

im using a free version of fraps (not the 30 sec version, but a older one) it doens't record sound but in a movie you let that mostly away

Just windows movie maker for editing

[muyo]

ill continue my 80:80 bow...ill stay fire but switch to garment...

my 80:80 level 73 with no kb yet

[Makaveli]

MMM What about A 3:1 char bow

EDIT: STR <<<

Some people that plays ksro says that is very nice build

[Braka]

MMM What about A 3:1 char bow

Some people that plays ksro says that is very nice build

STR or INT u should say

[elnawawi]

MMM What about A 3:1 char bow

Some people that plays ksro says that is very nice build

STR or INT u should say

STR off course , it's lequidsmoth build and he proved it work well too

[Braka]

MMM What about A 3:1 char bow

Some people that plays ksro says that is very nice build

STR or INT u should say

STR off course , it's lequidsmoth build and he proved it work well too

but didnt he have a sun bow? every build works with sun weapon lol

[elnawawi]

MMM What about A 3:1 char bow

Some people that plays ksro says that is very nice build

STR or INT u should say

STR off course , it's lequidsmoth build and he proved it work well too

but didnt he have a sun bow? every build works with sun weapon lol

At all cases 1:3 hbrid will be better than pure str build for bow ..

[Serjtankian27]

Very simple and good one. Clears everything out what u need to know

But still it isnt for the TOTAL DummieS

[kate4231]

lol this topic is still going about how pure str is better then 70:70 god when are peopel jus gonna shut up and wait too see the results xD

[Braka]

well its taken to long to prove the results lol, i still cant deside if i want a 70:70 or a pure str