Which Sword build to go? 80:80 5/1 or pure int?

[GermX]

1. Will a 80:80 do more dmg than a pure int/str with his sword/blade moves? if so if someone could calculate it all up that would help.

2. Will a 80:80 be able to support a snow shield 50%? 40%? remember block is involved here.

3. If 80:80 cant support snow shield could a 5int/1str build support it? and if so how much stronger would there melee attacks be compared to pure int/str.

4. if the sword moves arent even that much stronger and a pure int with 50% snow shield can tank really well ide rather just be pure int.

Pure int: 90 light 90 bich 90 ice 30 heuk or fire( for passives)
Hybrid: 90 light 90 bich 60 ice 60 fire(to increase my melee dmg)
I am a lvl 17 grinding archers at stronghold with pure int atm, 6500 sp , so i could choose any of these builds.
Edit: also to get 80:80 you need the gear for it, naked i think you just go for 70:70 (80:80 means 80 mag balance 80 phys balance.)

Thx for the input this will decide my build

[GermX]

bump ( i cant remember forum rules exactly but i think 1 bump is allowed?)

[Disconn3cted]

i've never seen a 70:70 sword dont even think they exist...try it, it sounds interesting

[_Scarlett_]

yes sounds interesting, but a 70:70 s/s would be extremly weak...nuke damage would be horrid, and physical damage wouldn't be up there either. With s/s hybrids a mag balance around 85%~90% is suggested. But by all means if you wanna try it out go for it, but you'll be weak until later levels (and probably then also =/)

Good Luck~ ^,^

[GermX]

1Here is why i think an 80:80 would be good and why it'd do more dmg than any other sword build(as far as melee attacks are concerned, im not even gonna nuke) well if you went pure int you'd get some where around 95:30 naked? i really have no clue but both those numbers add to 125 would be the same for str, but if you go 70:70 you get 140. thats more than 125 meaning you gotta get more dmg in there somewhere.(80:80 has been discussed a lot for bows i know, and they would do the most dmg out of all bows, im just not sure how they support snow shield, a shield will help keep up the snow shield which is why im curious about this build.)

2. With euros on the way if they get there hand on sealed lvl cap weapons they'll just 1 shot everyone. say a pure str glaivie has 20k hp, a rogue pricks him for 21k, you die, mr. 80:80 come over with 13k hp maybe and a 50% snow shield, does the same thing only he survives cause the dmg is cut in half! which is 10.5k. with 20k hp and it going fast, the % of health a pot will bring back in an alloted amount of time will be a TON less than the 80:80, the 80:80 wont die in 1 hit + he will recover his remaining hp MUCH faster, so even if a str does survive 1 hit, he wont recover it fast enough like a 80:80.

if 80:80 does more dmg for pacheon could a 80:80 for sword?

[_Scarlett_]

1Here is why i think an 80:80 would be good and why it'd do more dmg than any other sword build(as far as melee attacks are concerned, im not even gonna nuke) well if you went pure int you'd get some where around 95:30 naked? i really have no clue but both those numbers add to 125 would be the same for str, but if you go 70:70 you get 140. thats more than 125 meaning you gotta get more dmg in there somewhere.(80:80 has been discussed a lot for bows i know, and they would do the most dmg out of all bows, im just not sure how they support snow shield, a shield will help keep up the snow shield which is why im curious about this build.)

2. With euros on the way if they get there hand on sealed lvl cap weapons they'll just 1 shot everyone. say a pure str glaivie has 20k hp, a rogue pricks him for 21k, you die, mr. 80:80 come over with 13k hp maybe and a 50% snow shield, does the same thing only he survives cause the dmg is cut in half! which is 10.5k. with 20k hp and it going fast, the % of health a pot will bring back in an alloted amount of time will be a TON less than the 80:80, the 80:80 wont die in 1 hit + he will recover his remaining hp MUCH faster, so even if a str does survive 1 hit, he wont recover it fast enough like a 80:80.

if 80:80 does more dmg for pacheon could a 80:80 for sword?

Well, you have somewhat of a point there, but you have to take into account that swords are more magical based damage than physical based damage. You need a higher mag. balance if you want to be good with a s/s hybrid without having to have the absolute top gear to win. And if you're not even going to nuke why not make a blader? A spear 80:80 has been proven to do good in pvp.

Also, with a pure int to lvl 80, you'll have balances around 52% physical and 96% magical naked.

With Bows, they do the most damage closest to both physical and magical damage, why 80:80 works pretty well with that build. But they only do higher average damage than other bow builds, not absolute higher damage. An 80:80 hybrid bow will always have a lower crit than a pure str bow. I don't know too much on the 80:80 hybrid, but hopefully someone else can help elaborate more on a possible 80:80 s/s build.

Good Luck~

[doomas]

Well about the 80:80. 80:80 bow does more dmg than pure str, but less than pure int (w/o crits)
By the way all their crits don't differ that much. Here's an example:
Pure str - regural dmg 1000. Crit almost 2000.
80:80 regural ~1500. Crit almost 2000
Int - regular 1800. Crit almost 2000
Of course this is entirely an example, the values are made up, and pure str would do slightly more with cr
The same is with s/s. I'd say if you want 80:80 take bow or spear. S/S would be better pure int or 30-50str at most.
But then again, i've seen a video with some hybrid s/s (~1:2 or maybe even more str) and he was pretty awesome. He was fighting against str bow. Both had sun weps and neither of them could kill each other for couple of minutes... S/S won eventually

[Doctor_MOS]

Well about the 80:80. 80:80 bow does more dmg than pure str, but less than pure int (w/o crits)
By the way all their crits don't differ that much. Here's an example:
Pure str - regural dmg 1000. Crit almost 2000.
80:80 regural ~1500. Crit almost 2000
Int - regular 1800. Crit almost 2000
Of course this is entirely an example, the values are made up, and pure str would do slightly more with cr
The same is with s/s. I'd say if you want 80:80 take bow or spear. S/S would be better pure int or 30-50str at most.
But then again, i've seen a video with some hybrid s/s (~1:2 or maybe even more str) and he was pretty awesome. He was fighting against str bow. Both had sun weps and neither of them could kill each other for couple of minutes... S/S won eventually

Search this vid i would like to see it

I also saw a 1:2 int hybrid sword in action...Both terribly nuking, and not winning pvp fights (that was actually before euro)

[OlHybrid]

2. With euros on the way if they get there hand on sealed lvl cap weapons they'll just 1 shot everyone. say a pure str glaivie has 20k hp, a rogue pricks him for 21k, you die, mr. 80:80 come over with 13k hp maybe and a 50% snow shield, does the same thing only he survives cause the dmg is cut in half! which is 10.5k. with 20k hp and it going fast, the % of health a pot will bring back in an alloted amount of time will be a TON less than the 80:80, the 80:80 wont die in 1 hit + he will recover his remaining hp MUCH faster, so even if a str does survive 1 hit, he wont recover it fast enough like a 80:80.

I think your example is a bit too situational and the logic behind it somehow flawed. Let me explain.
First, since you can't have snow shield up constantly, you would have to know a rogue is around AND about to strike you. Otherwise the rogue will probably wait stealthed till the shield runs out and your chances of survival aren't better than the next guy.
So how do you know a rogue is going to stab you? Either you have a Descry, the equivalent Fire buff, or drink a potion at the right time. When you see the rogue, do you wait till he/she gets in range and time it so snow shield absorbs the first strike? Sounds risky/unreliable to me. It would be much safe to pop the rogue with a ranged, instant skill e.g. Lion's Shout. That turns out stealth and negates the damage bonus from the Dagger line. If they happen to have Dagger Desperate on, they will take some nice damage too. Again, no snow shield involved.
Finally, if it's a crossbow user, the above mentioned buffs won't help you because of their limited range compared to crossbow.

[GermX]

That its a rogue doesnt matter, i was just showing how maybe a 80:80 could tank more than a pure str, thats all, was just useing a rogues damage as an example.

[Ell]

80:80 is too hybrid for sword. You become a pure str blader who can't tank.

[X20AFreedom]

well i think this build is good. has better damage than pure str fire. if int. and has quite decent amount of hp.Snow shield, and the shield
but when fightning glavie u might be able to kill pure str glavie since u r ice and ur damage with immue is higher than normal pure str blade. snowshield + that mountain shield or something will tank pure str glavie damage for a while only

[marvinsss2005]

1. Will a 80:80 do more dmg than a pure int/str with his sword/blade moves? if so if someone could calculate it all up that would help.

2. Will a 80:80 be able to support a snow shield 50%? 40%? remember block is involved here.

3. If 80:80 cant support snow shield could a 5int/1str build support it? and if so how much stronger would there melee attacks be compared to pure int/str.

4. if the sword moves arent even that much stronger and a pure int with 50% snow shield can tank really well ide rather just be pure int.

Pure int: 90 light 90 bich 90 ice 30 heuk or fire( for passives)
Hybrid: 90 light 90 bich 60 ice 60 fire(to increase my melee dmg)
I am a lvl 17 grinding archers at stronghold with pure int atm, 6500 sp , so i could choose any of these builds.
Edit: also to get 80:80 you need the gear for it, naked i think you just go for 70:70 (80:80 means 80 mag balance 80 phys balance.)

Thx for the input this will decide my build

I think this is a nice build compared to blader pure str...
You will do more damage than blader but you must forget your nukes about this...

You will focus more on melee attacks...
I also want to try this build, i am always thinking of it...

Tell me if it's a good build and make pvp videos cause i am still lvl 42 and farming...

[GermX]

After realizing pure int will do MORE dmg with a sword than a hybrid, im going pure int, thank you all very much for your input .

[marvinsss2005]

After realizing pure int will do MORE dmg with a sword than a hybrid, im going pure int, thank you all very much for your input .

Your very wrong, pure build will not do damage than a hybrid, look at kaWs pvp videos pure str glavie vs kaWs hybrid build which is 80:80 basically his build is 80:85, glavie hit him dmg like 2k+ and kaws hit like double the damage of the glavie with same items...

Pure int may do more damage in nukes but you will not own in nukes...
And besides Euro noobs are entering the game even your pure int and with snow shield activated i hope they will not 1 hit K.O. you...

But its your decision anyway...
Gudluck...

[glavie]

After realizing pure int will do MORE dmg with a sword than a hybrid, im going pure int, thank you all very much for your input .

Sigh I was really hoping you would try this build, if i had the sp an over a 300 mastery cap I would try it myself.

You will be able to run 40% snow shield, not 50%. You will be able to tank like a pure str, maybe better. ( well better against int builds since you are more int).

pure int does max damage with nukes, good damage with weapon skills.

Pure str only has weapon skills and depends on crit to win.

80:80 hybrid will depend on mostly weapon skills but you will still need a nuke. For 2 min you will tank like a bladder doing much more damage, and for 1 min you will just have to be careful.

Don't forget even bladders can kill now that they inflict bleed. So you definitely can get a kill.

If you like short fights pick pure int, if you like long fights pick bladder. If you want in between pick hybrid sword.

[-.-]

with the rogue example hitting 21k though...

you said you would be able to tank that with 13k hp and 50% shield...

thats nice except that 50% of the damage would go to your mp lol, you'll loose more mp than hp so you'll be out of mp and low on hp, you're shield at this point will stop due to lack of mp... when you pot back up the rogue will already be on next attack

also if rogue does 13k on pure str, it does more on 80:80 hybrid... (lack of str for phy def)

also pure ints doesnt do a lot MORE damage... they do do more, just no one is sure how much more not sure since havent read any guilds with this build so no damage to compare with

[GermX]

The 300 Mastery cap is why i didnt want it also, not that ill keep playing till 150, i hope to, but at 150, 150 bicheon and 150 lightning is all a pure int will need and any other build ( if they keep the 300 mastery cap ) will lack the lightning buffs. Of course this is all pure speculation and i personelly think they'll somehow drastically change the game by then, i dunno how anyone could survive without the teleport or speed buff.
(my pure int wont be PURE i want him probably 90% mag naked just to get some health for pvp, cause pvp is what im about baby, and if i ever feel the need i could bring him down to 85%, just some thought, neways)

I appreciate all your input again guys, very nice indeed.