+5 or SoS

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:55 am

Which is better for weapons or equips?? +5 or SoS?? That includes the price... I added +3 incase you think +3 is worth better to buy than the others..

Elysium · Post by **Elysium** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:03 am

+5, cuz +5 is same as SoS but SoS cost much cuz of the name.

+5 has got same glow and is even strong. only SoM and SoSun are better.

kreator · Post by **kreator** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:04 am

In my opinion it depends, for example the char I'm developing needs more sp so I'm gonna farm at 42 with a sos+3 weapon to make it as easy as possible, previous to this I have used +3 weps. Obviously another factor would be money, would you go almost all out of gold for an SoS or spend consideraby less for a +3 which would allow you to equip yourself with better gear

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:19 am

everybody stop and think why buy a +5? can you +5 a already +5 wep NOO but can you +5 an sos wep or equip YESSS there for SoS/SoM & SoSun are better the + items all the time appart form price

whY-2G · Post by **whY-2G** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:24 am

sOx weapons/amour etc etc etc is always better then normal + weapons/amour etc etc etc...but it will just cost you more...and you can + sOx aswel =D =D =D

treefigners · Post by **treefigners** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:31 pm

Elysium wrote:+5, cuz +5 is same as SoS but SoS cost much cuz of the name.

+5 has got same glow and is even strong. only SoM and SoSun are better.

+5 does not have the same glow, it has a purple glow, no trail. SOS has a trail.

loskaos · Post by **loskaos** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:54 pm

lol , this again.
Why would someone compare sos to +5 its beyond mi imagination , i have seen tons of posts just like this with people saying "dont buy sos its the same as +5".
the thing is that in the first lvl of each degree if you buy sos +3 , then u will have an awesome weapon with the +5-7 of the sos and the +3 of the enchantement.
thats a +8 or +10, alot of advantage expecially in the lower leves of each degree , even better if you are planning to leave a gap and farm some sp.

my first sos weapon was a 24+2 crit 12 spear , worked like a charm untill level 29 , when i saw this 29+4 spear that had more physical and magical damage.
i dont know why ppl insist so much in saying that sos weapons are expensive since u will be able to sell them when your done with them so i really dont see where is the loss here.
+3+4+5 weapons are awesome and great for ppl on lower budgets but need to be replaced every 3 levels.

also when buying sos+3 ppl need to understand how the diference with non + items is worth to cover since u will not have to make alchemy and try your luck in something that is already plussed.

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:16 pm

Depending on the level, I'd most definately takea +5 over an SoS.

1. SoS weapons are only available at the first level of each weapon. EG 42. At this level, SoS is the better choice since you can +3 it relatively easily, and resell it for a considerable profit when you're done. However, +5s can be found at any level of weapon. A 45+5 is better than a 42+3 SoS since, although the damage is the same, the 45 will have a higher attack rating, meaning higher damage. The SoS only has its advantage for those first 3 levels out of 10 for each degree.

2. SoS weapons are overpriced. I've purchased +6/+7 weapons at SoS costs. The damage difference is almost 0, but you get a more unique looking weapon for the SAME price. And if the weapon is the 2nd or 3rd level of the degree, you have a better weapon in every possible way. Yes, you'll have to purchase more weapons, but you'll pay nothing in the long run after reselling your weapons anyway. If you have a good guild/union who can supply you with these weapons, there's no contest.

3. For STR, the most important weapon stat is crit. For INT, it's attack rating. SoS have no crit bonus, and generally lower AR than a comparable +'d weapon. It's only because the damage boost is so high that it makes a difference.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:31 am

Devotia wrote:A 45+5 is better than a 42+3 SoS since, although the damage is the same, the 45 will have a higher attack rating, meaning higher damage.

False. The SoS weapon will have higher reinforce which is an important factor in damage calculation. Actually, I'm not convinced on the attack rating either. I should do some research but I'll probably forget.

rad · Post by **rad** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:44 am

SOS -> best for upgrades

if you're into alchemy you will have less worries in upping an SOS item since if it fails it will just go back to it's basic SOS form (+5). if a +5 item fails there is a big chance that it will go back to being a normal item (+0).

:wink:

kuling110 · Post by **kuling110** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:56 am

rad wrote:SOS -> best for upgrades

if you're into alchemy you will have less worries in upping an SOS item since if it fails it will just go back to it's basic SOS form (+5). if a +5 item fails there is a big chance that it will go back to being a normal item (+0).

Really?!?! I didn't know that...

Can someone confirm this one??

rad · Post by **rad** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:30 am

@kuling110,

which part?

e.g.
if have an SOS+3 item and i want to up it to +4. i do alchemy and if i fails it will be a basic SOS item again. if it succeeds then a SOS+4.

if i had a +5 item instead, and wanted to up it to +6. i do alchemy and if it fails then i get a regular item but if i succeeds then i get +6.

my point is that with an SOS you can always have that +5 property even though you fail alchemy. unless it breaks of course.

Bakemaster · Post by **Bakemaster** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:56 am

Well... you're right, but you're explaining it in a way that is confusing. SoS items are no easier to upgrade than other items. It's just that when you fail an upgrade, at least it's still SoS.

rad · Post by **rad** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:54 am

sorry to confuse you.

but that's the main reason why i like sos.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:37 am

Well iv always notice the Attck rating on an sos is higher i can +5 them to make them about equal to a say level 48+2/3 if i find a high level wep that is better i ca sell it

johnjohn · Post by **johnjohn** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:13 pm

I vote : SOS+5

... oh well nevermind...

initialbee · Post by **initialbee** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:22 am

if those i will buy sos,+5 =sos,but after u get a sos weapon n +1 or whatever ,its should be better than +5!!dun tell me even enhance to +1 oso failed

initialbee · Post by **initialbee** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:25 am

kuling110 wrote:
rad wrote:SOS -> best for upgrades

if you're into alchemy you will have less worries in upping an SOS item since if it fails it will just go back to it's basic SOS form (+5). if a +5 item fails there is a big chance that it will go back to being a normal item (+0).

Really?!?! I didn't know that...

Can someone confirm this one??

search Alchemy in forum option(above)

fant0m · Post by **fant0m** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:40 am

I voted +3 because sos is overpriced and quickly outgrown.

Luye · Post by **Luye** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:14 pm

a sos+3 is a decent wep if your just reaching a new set of weapons

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:37 am

Master_wong wrote:everybody stop and think why buy a +5? can you +5 a already +5 wep NOO but can you +5 an sos wep or equip YESSS there for SoS/SoM & SoSun are better the + items all the time appart form price

Because an SoS costs at least 7x as much? We're not made of gold.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:29 am

i save up for them

mrxtam · Post by **mrxtam** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:26 pm

i say bot dmg is same but for a +5 ifu try to use weapon elixers on it, theres a chance it wud all reset but sos cant be reseted.

Xanovaria · Post by **Xanovaria** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:32 am

I voted sos because it's looks like sex

rabbit · Post by **rabbit** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:17 am

dam, topic res like no other

element_45 · Post by **element_45** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:44 am

Devotia wrote:SoS have no crit bonus, and generally lower AR than a comparable +'d weapon. It's only because the damage boost is so high that it makes a difference.

Wrong. The BASE stats (the numbers before the %s in parentheses) are much higher on a weapon or armor than its counterpart. SoM and SoSun increase this base even further, for ALL white statistics on the item.

Say you have two level 16 shields.

One is +5, the other is SoS +0. They both have about 12 pdef and 18 Mdef. They both have base block rates. The +5 has a blockrate of 10 (0%). The SoS has a blockrate of 12 (0%).

Say you have 2 level 16 swords.

One is +5, one is SoS +0. They have about the same damage range. They both have critical of 4. The +5 reads 4 (9%) The SoS reads 4 (0%). The base critical rate on SoX items are somewhat improved. My SoM sword has a critical of 5 (0%) as base. It is at 8 (25%) right now, meaning theoretically, it could have a critical of 16-17, a value unattainable on a regular enchanted weapon.

Not that I'm saying that makes SoX WAY better, as alchemy sucks and luck of the drop can go either way, but I wanted to show you proof that the base statistics on an SoX item is slightly higher than a run-of-the-mill enchanted item.

Edit: Oops for adding to a necro'd thread. Oh well. Only 2 month necro.

Nyumetsu · Post by **Nyumetsu** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:27 am

SOS EQUALS +7

NOT +5

I can't believe this misconception is still going around like fact. They posted an official update about this a while ago and apparently nobody who had asked the question bothered to read it.

WindSlicer · Post by **WindSlicer** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:36 am

I would like to see screenies of a +5 or 7 when compared to +0 SoS. I don't think SoS is +7, b/c my +2 SoS shoulder is quite a bit lower than the 10 lvl higher white shoulder.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:30 am

you guys are crazy, its not easy to +5 a normal weapon, where as am guesing its easier to +3 a SOS

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