We need more congressmen like this

[Nuklear]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Sen._Bern ... _1109.html

[Reise]

"The time is long overdue," says Sanders, "for [Congress] begin to stand up and explain to this president, who thinks that he can veto virtually every piece of legislation we send him; that ignores the Constitution of this country -- I think it is time that we begin to stand up."

Right on.

It's good to know at least one person in Congress has his head screwed on right.

[Crumpets]

Hmm, I'm not that familiar with the American way of politics, mainly the congress. But I do know it's pretty biased.

Any-who good to see hes standing up, all tho you'd probably read in the papers in a month or two:

"Sanders suicided himself by hanging."

[Vindicator]

lol, the democrats came into congress with a majority thinking they are all hot stuff. Well guess what, you fark the president, he farks you back.

The president can veto any bill proposed, but the congress can also over ride that veto, but they are too weak and dumbshitted to do this. The congress has no power because they are a bunch of lilly livered pussies. They CANT pull troops out of Iraq, and they CANT stop bush from vetoing their bills. Cant will become can when they pull their heads out of their asses and wake up themselves.

[XemnasXD]

Actually congress has most of the power which is why ppl are getting so mad. If tomorrow Congress passed a bill telling bush to withdraw he would have to withdraw or face impeachment. With a democratic majority its about time they started overiding his vetos if they had done this earlier the Americans would probably be willing to support the democrats alot more in the coming elections, not a smart move for them. Unless they really don't want to pull troops out....

[Vindicator]

Actually congress has most of the power which is why ppl are getting so mad. If tomorrow Congress passed a bill telling bush to withdraw he would have to withdraw or face impeachment. With a democratic majority its about time they started overiding his vetos if they had done this earlier the Americans would probably be willing to support the democrats alot more in the coming elections, not a smart move for them. Unless they really don't want to pull troops out....

They WANT to pull out troops, and this is what would happen.

Choose your poision, the democrats can either cut funding for the war, or order a troop withdraw. Both take time, both are suicide.

The bill would be passed, vetoed, and assuming the veto is overrided, the troops would start leaving Iraq, or funding would be cut. What happens next most people can guess, and the democrats already know, which is why they havent done it yet.

If Troops are pulled out, we will "lose" the war, the democratic party will be painted in favor of terrorism, anti democratic, and anti American. The democratic party would not live long, and it would eventually be replaced by a new party.

The most effective way to remove troops would be to cut funding. No funding, no military action. However, this is also the most problematic. Every american death after such a bill is passed to cut funding, will be on the hands of the democrats. If the republicans can do one thing right, it make the democrats look bad. The democrats cut the funding, so the soldiers dont have the supplies they need, and they can not fulfil their duties. As a result american casualties are on the rise because withdrawl is not over night. The democratic party will have the murder of american soldiers on their hands. The party would be non exsistant before elections next year (assuming the bill is passed now.

Democrats and political analysts have known this for a long time, but the democrats knew they could win congress promising withdraw, only they cant provide it. Filling congress with democrats only allowed them to be there when it counted, and not even deal with the troops. They know its impossible to withdraw troops and not destroy the democratic party as of right now.

[XemnasXD]

thats bullshit when more than 70% of the US is in favor of troop withdrawl they won't be losing face. It'll all be determined on how they spin this because its areal easy for them to say "These is no terrorist activity in IraQ" which would be telling the truth. If the democrats wanted to pull troops out they'd suggestion a pullout time and a plan for slow withdraw which they've done b4 and they let it get vetoed....i can't think of one person i know who would be mad at the Dem's for bringing the troops home if anything it'll insure that the democrats are the REAL representatives of the the ppl and probably secure their political power for years to come...

[Reise]

The people can think what they want, the media will still drive that "anti American" image into their brains if it ever happened.

[Vindicator]

thats bullshit when more than 70% of the US is in favor of troop withdrawl they won't be losing face. It'll all be determined on how they spin this because its areal easy for them to say "These is no terrorist activity in IraQ" which would be telling the truth. If the democrats wanted to pull troops out they'd suggestion a pullout time and a plan for slow withdraw which they've done b4 and they let it get vetoed....i can't think of one person i know who would be mad at the Dem's for bringing the troops home if anything it'll insure that the democrats are the REAL representatives of the the ppl and probably secure their political power for years to come...

lol? tell some of the top political analyst they are bullshit then. People are in favor of troop withdrawl, but people are fickle, easy persuaded, and quite frankly stupid. They will turn on people and eat them alive for no reason what so ever, and being framed with the deaths of american troops and losing a war is more than enough reason for the rash amaricans to eat the congressmen alive.

Its ok if you think its bullshit, but political suicide is always possible, and its why the dems dont dare mess with troop withdraw right now, or any time soon.

[XemnasXD]

political analyst are like weathermen and we all know how wrong they can be...don't give me the weak minded ppl speech cause i already know all that crap and taking all that into account i have no doubt that the american ppl would love to see the troops brought home and i don't think theres anything the republicans could do to convince the american ppl otherwise, they haven't been able to so far....

[Vindicator]

political analyst are like weathermen and we all know how wrong they can be...don't give me the weak minded ppl speech cause i already know all that crap and taking all that into account i have no doubt that the american ppl would love to see the troops brought home and i don't think theres anything the republicans could do to convince the american ppl otherwise, they haven't been able to so far....

everyone has their own opinion, so to each his own.

[Nuklear]

The people can think what they want, the media will still drive that "anti American" image into their brains if it ever happened.

Right on. Why am I any less patriotic if I want the troops home, where they should be, and for this illegal war to end?
The founding fathers were unpatriotic because they wanted a better life for themselves? Palease.

[JacksColon]

[quote="Vindicator"]lol, the democrats came into congress with a majority thinking they are all hot stuff. Well guess what, you fark the president, he farks you back. quote]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Reality is, both sides are becoming indistinguishable from one another. Ron Paul is a libertarian in Republican clothing. But, he's also a pro-life libertarian, so whatever. The man with the best ideas on the Democratic side is Mike Gravel, but he never gets air time. The U.S. political system is dominated by money, corporate and political allegiances, and greed (both in terms of money and the want to stay in power). George Bush is an idiot. Cheney is evil, as is Condi. Hilary Clinton is unfit to be president, and don't give me that "we need a woman president" crap. We need the RIGHT president for the U.S. One that won't lead us into an unwinnable war, but one that will also not flip-flop on every issue. We need someone who is not tied to political/corporate interests. So, basically what I'm saying is, until we can get more media attention to the independent candidates and those that are not as "popular", we're screwed.

[Reise]

They WANT to pull out troops, and this is what would happen.

Choose your poision, the democrats can either cut funding for the war, or order a troop withdraw. Both take time, both are suicide.

The bill would be passed, vetoed, and assuming the veto is overrided, the troops would start leaving Iraq, or funding would be cut. What happens next most people can guess, and the democrats already know, which is why they havent done it yet.

If Troops are pulled out, we will "lose" the war, the democratic party will be painted in favor of terrorism, anti democratic, and anti American. The democratic party would not live long, and it would eventually be replaced by a new party.

The most effective way to remove troops would be to cut funding. No funding, no military action. However, this is also the most problematic. Every american death after such a bill is passed to cut funding, will be on the hands of the democrats. If the republicans can do one thing right, it make the democrats look bad. The democrats cut the funding, so the soldiers dont have the supplies they need, and they can not fulfil their duties. As a result american casualties are on the rise because withdrawl is not over night. The democratic party will have the murder of american soldiers on their hands. The party would be non exsistant before elections next year (assuming the bill is passed now.

Democrats and political analysts have known this for a long time, but the democrats knew they could win congress promising withdraw, only they cant provide it. Filling congress with democrats only allowed them to be there when it counted, and not even deal with the troops. They know its impossible to withdraw troops and not destroy the democratic party as of right now.

Eh, yesterday I heard the Democrats are shooting for troop withdrawal and the President isn't allowing it. So, I guess the Democrats don't really care about any of that and are listening to the people.

[ThiefzV2]

Actually congress has most of the power which is why ppl are getting so mad. If tomorrow Congress passed a bill telling bush to withdraw he would have to withdraw or face impeachment. With a democratic majority its about time they started overiding his vetos if they had done this earlier the Americans would probably be willing to support the democrats alot more in the coming elections, not a smart move for them. Unless they really don't want to pull troops out....

They WANT to pull out troops, and this is what would happen.

Choose your poision, the democrats can either cut funding for the war, or order a troop withdraw. Both take time, both are suicide.

The bill would be passed, vetoed, and assuming the veto is overrided, the troops would start leaving Iraq, or funding would be cut. What happens next most people can guess, and the democrats already know, which is why they havent done it yet.

If Troops are pulled out, we will "lose" the war, the democratic party will be painted in favor of terrorism, anti democratic, and anti American. The democratic party would not live long, and it would eventually be replaced by a new party.

The most effective way to remove troops would be to cut funding. No funding, no military action. However, this is also the most problematic. Every american death after such a bill is passed to cut funding, will be on the hands of the democrats. If the republicans can do one thing right, it make the democrats look bad. The democrats cut the funding, so the soldiers dont have the supplies they need, and they can not fulfil their duties. As a result american casualties are on the rise because withdrawl is not over night. The democratic party will have the murder of american soldiers on their hands. The party would be non exsistant before elections next year (assuming the bill is passed now.

Democrats and political analysts have known this for a long time, but the democrats knew they could win congress promising withdraw, only they cant provide it. Filling congress with democrats only allowed them to be there when it counted, and not even deal with the troops. They know its impossible to withdraw troops and not destroy the democratic party as of right now.

+1

some1 with a brain

[Silver0]

this is capitalist learn your government system before thinking you have freedom

[Jstar1]

the iraq war was just like vietnam, america should have learned their mistake in vietnam. We can't just roll through other countries and expect to make them do what we want. The viet cong in vietnam were easy shit, we blew the hell out of them with bombers. Its the people support that they had, thats why we lost vietnam

Iraq is just like vietnam, they have the support of their people. Thats why they never run out of suicide bombers. Bush should have stayed in afganistan, not go into iraq. Osama is what we're looking for, not "weapons of mass destructions" (which we never even found).

[LadyOphelia]

Any-who good to see hes standing up, all tho you'd probably read in the papers in a month or two:

"Sanders suicided himself by hanging."

No... Bush will send him on a hunting trip... ROFL

[Casey613]

Well at least one of them knows where he stands..

[StuckUP]

Any-who good to see hes standing up, all tho you'd probably read in the papers in a month or two:

"Sanders suicided himself by hanging."

No... Bush will send him on a hunting trip... ROFL

lol

And yes we need more people like Sanders, and Obama, some1 who isn't 2 ignorant to tell the president he is wrong. The U.S is just like a bully, he always expects people to do what he says. Like when Venuzuelian president Hugo Chaves gave America a reality check, well some1 needs to give America another reality check.

BTW LadyOphelia u like yaoi?

[LadyOphelia]

BTW LadyOphelia u like yaoi?

what is that? lol... lemme google, i get back to u on that one.

EDIT - omgnowai! Thats a guy and a girl in my sig... at least I thought it was! lol.. Back to photoshop I go

[StuckUP]

BTW LadyOphelia u like yaoi?

what is that? lol... lemme google, i get back to u on that one.

EDIT - omgnowai! Thats a guy and a girl in my sig... at least I thought it was! lol.. Back to photoshop I go

rofl

[TOloseGT]

bush isn't too bad, he's a big fluffy teddy bear needing a hug.

[Casey613]

He's just a puppet..

[Locketart]

Bush vetoed a bill recently for universal healthcare. His argument was that it might cover those who could already afford it.

[TOloseGT]

really now, do we really need unversal healthcare? we're doing awesome without it.

[[AoW]ForLife]

I think we could use universal healthcare personally... not everyone is doing awesome. As StuckUP said, we need some more foreign criticism.
@ Vindicator and Xemnas
Yeah, there are indirect problems with pulling out of Iraq, which is why it is a problem particularly when the public say they support pulling out the troops. But that's one of the things Congress is there for: to create innovative ways to solve political problems. Otherwise we better make sure they're all kicked out of their jobs.

[†erminal]

Some people say the war has cost 8bil, and some say 1.6tril, we better be kicking ass and chewing bubble gum over there.
A war on terrorism is a noble cause but its starting to tear the nation apart with all the pro/anti-war beliefs, war is war, it has its pluses and cons.
While the media loves to report all the cons (money, deaths, crazy ass islamic people), we are definitely helping many people over there, and hopefully keeping people who wish do do serious harm to civilians at bay.
Soldiers are just doing there job, and if you look at the numbers, they do it damn well.

[[AoW]ForLife]

Soldiers are just doing there job, and if you look at the numbers, they do it damn well.

If you don't mind me asking, what numbers are we talking about?

[†erminal]

I was in a speechy mood.