World War 3

SugaSweet · Post by **SugaSweet** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:07 am

Lol i am actually experiencing the WW3 .. >.<
Massive Entertainment, Sierra ---> World in Conflict...

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:31 am

Vindicator wrote:well, lets see. When the soviet union became powerful and rivaled the US< we just started an arms war. The soviet union with its communist government could keep up with the US, and we plunged them into dept until their country crashed. I assume we can do the same with china, and with europe in a hopefully healthy state, it will be easier for capitalism to rise over communism once again. Communism will never work, it just CANT work. Maybe on a paper world its a utopia, but in reality, the human factor will **** everything up as usual.

Ill admit, the US is on a serious decline atm, but thats to be expected. Our military budget is far superior to anything any other country can or would put out. In the FiscalYear(FY) 2005, the U.S. military expenditures were just below 50% of the entire world, and in FY 2008, it is projected to exceed 50% of the global military expenditures. This is not to say that the military expenditure are all wise, productive, and successful.

Some of our greatest achievements include the USS Nmitz Class supercarrier (CVN_68), the tomahawk missile, and atomic powered submarines. There are so many more to add to the list as well.

The US also has some amazing blunders with our military budget. The National Missile Defense Program remains one of the more problematic and unjustifiable defense programs. Since concept development in 1983, close to $100 billion dollars has been spent, with limited success in tests. The system has failed in five out of 11 tests since 2004. Despite this poor record, 12 additional ground-based interceptor missiles are scheduled for deployment in 2007 and the program is forecasted to receive $10.4 billion in funding, a $1.7 billion increase over 2006.

The Raptor aircraft is an expensive weapon in search of operational relevance. Originally started in 1986 to contend with an adversary of comparable air power to the United States at a project cost of $149 million per aircraft, the Raptor has been repeatedly re-invented at escalating costs. The end result, costing $339 million per aircraft, is an aircraft too heavy for improved maneuverability, too large to be considered stealth, and only capable of carrying half the payload of the F-117 bomber. Although the Air Force currently owns 63 Raptors and has received authorization for another 40, they have yet to prove their capability in combat.

The Virginia Class Submarine was designed to ensure U.S. military undersea supremacy against an “advanced naval adversary”. The 2006 QDR suggests that China presents such a threat; but is doubtful that China would assert that power. Although the SSN-774 has been configured to fulfill multiple roles of current combat requirements, such as covert insertion and extraction of special operations personnel, tactical strike via Tomahawk Missiles, the same functions can be conducted in a more fiscally sane manner. The Navy has recently transformed four Trident submarines to conduct a similar role at a price half that of the $2.4 billion required to purchase one SSN-774. Additionally, since conversion requires the disposal of the nuclear weapons housed within, it is a step in the right direction toward downsizing obsolete elements of the U.S.’ nuclear arsenal.

For the upcoming fiscal year, the Bush administration proposes to spend nearly $17 billion on operating, maintaining, and modernizing its strategic and tactical nuclear forces. About $11 billion a year will go to operating, maintaining and modernizing the bombers, submarines, and missiles that carry the 6,000 operational nuclear weapons in the American arsenal, with the remaining $6 billion going towards maintaining the warheads. During the Cold War, the United States spent less than $4 billion a year on average on these nuclear weapons activities. It is estimated that reducing the weapons activities budget to its Cold War level by shifting to a deployed arsenal of 600 warheads with another 400 in reserve would generate $13 billion in savings.

Holy mother of god i put too much int his post.....(These excerpts are taken from a paper i wrote last year on the US military budget.) The whole point of what i put above is to show that the US IS the worlds super power, but at this rate, it is hard to say if at all it will remain in such a place at the head of the world. I can only hope we change our act quick so we are better prepared for the inevitable WW3 and maybe we can even prolong it if we can not eliminate it.

No matter how divided we may be on some issues like the Iraq war, i believe the great democracies of the world will always stand together against a common enemy, especially Communism.

Yeah, I agree America needs to start realizing that we aren't the rulers of the world anymore. We've slackened off too much. While Japanese business people work from 6:00am to 10:00pm, our workers are like 8:00am to 6:00 pm. No wonder they are smacking our butts with automobiles.

But I doubt a WW3 will happen, only in the extreme circumstances. Because everyone knows that WW3 will be fought with nuclear bombs, nobody will be quick to start something. Unless Iran or China makes a direct attack on US, I doubt that a world war will start, because a WW3 will be the end of mankind.

You know hiroshima and the atomic bomb in WWII? They say atomic bombs today can clear 100x what they did to hiroshima. Basically, about 10 atomic bombs could screw a country in 1 min. I doubt WW3 will happen because of the consequences people will face (even the winners). Yeah, half the world's population will be gone. Not to mention the radiation that will warp your brains

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:50 am

Jstar1 wrote:
Yeah, I agree America needs to start realizing that we aren't the rulers of the world anymore. We've slackened off too much. While Japanese business people work from 6:00am to 10:00pm, our workers are like 8:00am to 6:00 pm. No wonder they are smacking our butts with automobiles.

But I doubt a WW3 will happen, only in the extreme circumstances. Because everyone knows that WW3 will be fought with nuclear bombs, nobody will be quick to start something. Unless Iran or China makes a direct attack on US, I doubt that a world war will start, because a WW3 will be the end of mankind.

You know hiroshima and the atomic bomb in WWII? They say atomic bombs today can clear 100x what they did to hiroshima. Basically, about 10 atomic bombs could screw a country in 1 min. I doubt WW3 will happen because of the consequences people will face (even the winners). Yeah, half the world's population will be gone. Not to mention the radiation that will warp your brains

Nah, WW3 wouldn't be fought with atomic bombs. People are stupid, but not THAT stupid. Only an extremely desperate man would commit suicide and take the whole world with them, which, all jokes aside, i don't think anyone has the balls to do.

In fact, WW3 could be a war of virtually no casualties. It very well could be a cyber war where the target isnt the people itself, but rather the establishment. Dismantle the opponents government and economic system and they are screwed. Much cleaner. An EMP bombed dropped on the U.S. and we would be farked like no other. Our economy would be whipped out in an instant, we would have no defense. We would be propelled back to the stone age in a split second, except with big metal sticks now. While the prospect of an attack on the US like that is par zero, the idea is sound. We're at the point where invasions are near pointless. As seen in Iraq, an occupation will never be successful without the support of the people. Never has been, and never will be. The US has escaped any invasion on its soil, and is very doubtful it will be subject to such an invasion imo.

Going completely opposite of what i said above, WW3 could be the most devastating of all to the human populace. Blowing up an entire country is folly when a virus can whipe out the entire populace and leave the structure, economy, and wealth of the nation virtually in tact. Easy expansion and growth, although again, another problem, of the human resource needed to run the new economy, especially one of the US' size.

LittleTom · Post by **LittleTom** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:13 am

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:23 am

I don't think WW3 will happen, right now there doesn't seem like much profit in it. Companies are making billions selling weapons into the middle east and raising gas prices in the US. if the US conquers Iran+Iraq they'll have access to tons of oil so the ppl will demand lower prices also they'll lose alot of money because they'd have killed of most of their buyers in the middle eats also they'd have no reason to keep stock piling Israel with weapons....

most of that is speculation but it think the US is waiting for something else to happen b4 it starts WW3

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:52 am

dom wrote:
hemagoku wrote:my country is in that list

My country doesn't have a military.

Pourquoi dabbord les gars d'valcartier son chez aladdin entrian de tirer sur des turban?

@ven woot first time I see you in otl lol. Well dont bother guy Harry Potter will save us all.

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:24 am

war's not really in the best interest of neone. the world's interconnected. u start a war, productions on material goods will stop.

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:52 am

XemnasXD wrote:I don't think WW3 will happen, right now there doesn't seem like much profit in it. Companies are making billions selling weapons into the middle east and raising gas prices in the US. if the US conquers Iran+Iraq they'll have access to tons of oil so the ppl will demand lower prices also they'll lose alot of money because they'd have killed of most of their buyers in the middle eats also they'd have no reason to keep stock piling Israel with weapons....

most of that is speculation but it think the US is waiting for something else to happen b4 it starts WW3

Nah, everything that is going on basically is screaming WAR.

There will be a war soon, and of course the men that start it won't notice it at all. It's all about the big $$. Sure the USA are 8+ Trillion dollars in debt. But George W. Bush is a billionaire. If theres a way to make money, god forbid you're in the way.

Also as you said, USA taking oil stock's in Iran / Iraq. Well as I said before; Russia / China have quite alot of Oil stocks there, and I highly doubt they will let the USA once again raid it.

And again, as I said: Takes 1 guy to topple a domino to make it all start.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:14 am

Crumpets wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:I don't think WW3 will happen, right now there doesn't seem like much profit in it. Companies are making billions selling weapons into the middle east and raising gas prices in the US. if the US conquers Iran+Iraq they'll have access to tons of oil so the ppl will demand lower prices also they'll lose alot of money because they'd have killed of most of their buyers in the middle eats also they'd have no reason to keep stock piling Israel with weapons....

most of that is speculation but it think the US is waiting for something else to happen b4 it starts WW3

Nah, everything that is going on basically is screaming WAR.

There will be a war soon, and of course the men that start it won't notice it at all. It's all about the big $$. Sure the USA are 8+ Trillion dollars in debt. But George W. Bush is a billionaire. If theres a way to make money, god forbid you're in the way.

Also as you said, USA taking oil stock's in Iran / Iraq. Well as I said before; Russia / China have quite alot of Oil stocks there, and I highly doubt they will let the USA once again raid it.

And again, as I said: Takes 1 guy to topple a domino to make it all start.

nothing takes 1 guy every major history changing event has been the collaboration of a group of ppl who all wanted to watch something happen. If you think it only takes 1 person then history has taught you nothing and the ppl behind the scenes have done a great job in making you think "one man can make a difference" it always takes a united front to do something. Russia has its own oil supply and wasn't on the best of terms with Iran or Iraq they could probably get a better deal of the US through "negotiations" or "diplomacy" or whatever you want to call it.

Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:49 am

XemnasXD wrote:
nothing takes 1 guy every major history changing event has been the collaboration of a group of ppl who all wanted to watch something happen. If you think it only takes 1 person then history has taught you nothing and the ppl behind the scenes have done a great job in making you think "one man can make a difference" it always takes a united front to do something. Russia has its own oil supply and wasn't on the best of terms with Iran or Iraq they could probably get a better deal of the US through "negotiations" or "diplomacy" or whatever you want to call it.

Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

HIstory means fuck all in this day and age lol. Also, if by saying 'George W. Bush' you think I only mean him then forgive me, I mean his administration.

Russia, sure they have a shit load of oil. But they have oil invested in other countries too. And do you seriously think Russia would ever negotiate with the USA ?

And no I did not forget about SA, I am fully aware of the cababilities cuba and co have. But their efforts won't mean anything. As much as it pains me saying I have to say the USA have a verocious military might. If cuba were to even lay foot on US soil, they wound be pounded with every type of bomb imaginable. As or others .... Russia can defend themselves, specially with thiern ew vacuum bombs. China .. well quantity isn't always quality, but they do have nukes : >

Iran / Iraq / Saudi's / Libya etc etc will also form one, probably all going to wipe out Israel.

You can try and play me down Xemnas, but this is a subject that I actually give a shit about. Therefor I have myself well informed : >

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:06 pm

Crumpets wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:I don't think WW3 will happen, right now there doesn't seem like much profit in it. Companies are making billions selling weapons into the middle east and raising gas prices in the US. if the US conquers Iran+Iraq they'll have access to tons of oil so the ppl will demand lower prices also they'll lose alot of money because they'd have killed of most of their buyers in the middle eats also they'd have no reason to keep stock piling Israel with weapons....

most of that is speculation but it think the US is waiting for something else to happen b4 it starts WW3

Nah, everything that is going on basically is screaming WAR.

There will be a war soon, and of course the men that start it won't notice it at all. It's all about the big $$. Sure the USA are 8+ Trillion dollars in debt. But George W. Bush is a billionaire. If theres a way to make money, god forbid you're in the way.

Also as you said, USA taking oil stock's in Iran / Iraq. Well as I said before; Russia / China have quite alot of Oil stocks there, and I highly doubt they will let the USA once again raid it.

And again, as I said: Takes 1 guy to topple a domino to make it all start.

Our $9.117 Trillion debt could be just the reason for war. Our military is superior to anyone else. No one dares stand up to the US at this point in time, because our fully employed military is unstoppable. And a fully employed war economy is one option of reliving that national debt. WW2 brought us out of the great depression, and despite what everyone is saying now, the Iraq war has stimulated the economy. Granted, oil is through the roof in prices, but thats because of greedy white fat rich corporate assholes who want more money and use the Iraq war as an excuse. Oil does not need to be that expensive for any reason, and stpid tree hugging pot smoking hippies protest any drilling in Alaska for the US to tap into our own resources.

Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

SA has way too much shit to worry about than attacking the US. We will just invade Venezuaila and take their oil.

Luoma · Post by **Luoma** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:11 pm

0l3n wrote:Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt

yea me too ^_^ sweden is just a small country with no aggresivness

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:51 pm

Vindicator wrote:
Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

SA has way too much shit to worry about than attacking the US. We will just invade Venezuaila and take their oil.

Ahh of course, but the Saudi's can supply quite the amount of funds : >

.//curb · Post by **.//curb** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:25 pm

Crumpets wrote:
Vindicator wrote:
Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

SA has way too much shit to worry about than attacking the US. We will just invade Venezuaila and take their oil.

Ahh of course, but the Saudi's can supply quite the amount of funds : >

What's going on here?

I just glanced through this thread, and mentioned the country that I currently living in mentioned.

(I'm not Saudi, I'm an expat)

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:35 pm

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... frica.html

That's a good start : >

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:51 pm

Crumpets wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
nothing takes 1 guy every major history changing event has been the collaboration of a group of ppl who all wanted to watch something happen. If you think it only takes 1 person then history has taught you nothing and the ppl behind the scenes have done a great job in making you think "one man can make a difference" it always takes a united front to do something. Russia has its own oil supply and wasn't on the best of terms with Iran or Iraq they could probably get a better deal of the US through "negotiations" or "diplomacy" or whatever you want to call it.

Also you completely forgot about South America as far as US targets go. If the US starts a world war they'll have to fight enemies coming from way to many directions at once. B4 you see a world war start you going to start seeing ALOT more Saddam Hussein incidents where the US forcefully invades another in the name of GREAT JUSTICE and over throws its ruler. Until then like i said i don't think we have to worry about WW3 just yet....

HIstory means fuck all in this day and age lol. Also, if by saying 'George W. Bush' you think I only mean him then forgive me, I mean his administration.

Russia, sure they have a shit load of oil. But they have oil invested in other countries too. And do you seriously think Russia would ever negotiate with the USA ?

And no I did not forget about SA, I am fully aware of the cababilities cuba and co have. But their efforts won't mean anything. As much as it pains me saying I have to say the USA have a verocious military might. If cuba were to even lay foot on US soil, they wound be pounded with every type of bomb imaginable. As or others .... Russia can defend themselves, specially with thiern ew vacuum bombs. China .. well quantity isn't always quality, but they do have nukes : >

Iran / Iraq / Saudi's / Libya etc etc will also form one, probably all going to wipe out Israel.

You can try and play me down Xemnas, but this is a subject that I actually give a shit about. Therefor I have myself well informed : >

not trying to play you down but in this modern age if Russia wanted to it could easily supply Cuba and any SA country willing to fight the US with nuclear weapons, China would probably chip in too. Thats what i meant by enemies in every direction, even if they aren't strong other countries can MAKE them strong ie what what the US did you Israel. Picture SA with that much fire power Per country that has beef with the US (basically all of them) Like i said the US is not at a point where it has enough troops or support to launch a world wide invasion which is what it would have to be to start and win WW3

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:53 am

Behold, the start.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/novemb ... _chief.htm

mike2007 · Post by **mike2007** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:17 am

its all just MADD, so everybody sing "its the end of the world as we know it" by REM and take a lesson from the first halo at the end where seargent johnson and the elite finally reliaze they're gonna die and hug each other.

but seriously its gonna take somethin of that kind of proportions to get every1 to finally get along with eachother.

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:23 am

mike2005 wrote:
but seriously its gonna take somethin of that kind of proportions to get every1 to finally get along with eachother.

Sad isn't it =/

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:27 am

I really hope some psycho gets a nuke or two and finally does something. There's too much political shit going on. Get on with the bombs already.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:44 am

Crumpets wrote:
heroo wrote:World War III will be the Middle-East against the West

Uhmm what do you base this on?

At the moment the biggest thing that will probably lead to WW3 is the new pearl harbor.

In the Pursian Gulf the Americans have thier '5th fleet' based. Now, USA are trying to ridicule IRAN and hope they start to bomb the 5th fleet, who are getting closer and closer to them. If that does not work, big-brother USA will probably get ISRAEL to bomb IRAN in some sort of way, which in turn will lead to the 5th fleet being farked.

What happened when Pearl Harbor got bombed? Oh yeah USA participated in WW2. If the 5th Fleet gets bombed, this will mean an all out attack on IRAN.

Which in turn will bring RUSSIA into the frame seeing as they have close OIL ties with IRAN, and would not like to see ther stocks being raided by USA. Now, for the tricky bit...

CHINA ... they have quite allot of oil in IRAN so you would think they might defend. Hmm might be, but they also have a shitload of money invested in US stocks. And would only be screwed if they went down in value.

Don't believe it? --> http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/oped ... ative_.htm

Oh and as for what the OP requested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7089008.stm

President George W Bush and visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel say they will continue to seek a diplomatic solution to Iran's nuclear programme.

On Saturday, Mr Bush said the US would continue to pursue the diplomatic route to press Iran to change course.

"What the Iranian regime must understand is that we will continue to work together to solve this problem diplomatically, which means they will continue to be isolated," he told reporters at the ranch in Crawford.

As unlikely as it seems, something will happen. China is getting ready, seeing as one of thier subs popped up during a US naval show. ( Quite hilarious tbh ) and the Russians have suspended thier arms treaty. Making it easier for them to deploy people all over thier borders.

Oh and yes, I amn well informed. So before you call all of what I wrote above 'bullshit' please inform yourself.

Ahh right, but do you really think the islam-world will just sit still and watch how 2 non-islam countries ( including ISRAEL, and believe me, the whole islam-world wants to see ISRAEL to get whiped away ) attacking a islam-country.

You are right, it will probably begin with he US/ISRAEL vs. IRAN, but it will end up with the whole west against the middleeast/other countries in Asia.

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:05 pm

heroo wrote:
Ahh right, but do you really think the islam-world will just sit still and watch how 2 non-islam countries ( including ISRAEL, and believe me, the whole islam-world wants to see ISRAEL to get whiped away ) attacking a islam-country.

You are right, it will probably begin with he US/ISRAEL vs. IRAN, but it will end up with the whole west against the middleeast/other countries in Asia.

Oh I am in no doubt that when ISRAEL/US launch their attacks, probably the whole middle east will retalliate.

And I doubt the reason will not be 'To protect 'IRAN'' it will probably be cause everyone is bloody fed up with US's big-brother attitude. It's a shame the US have to sacrifice ISRAEL just to fulfill their needs.

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:58 pm

Crumpets wrote:
Oh I am in no doubt that when ISRAEL/US launch their attacks, probably the whole middle east will retalliate.

And I doubt the reason will not be 'To protect 'IRAN'' it will probably be cause everyone is bloody fed up with US's big-brother attitude. It's a shame the US have to sacrifice ISRAEL just to fulfill their needs.

Yup, i also didn't meant they want to protect Iran, but they just want to whipe ISRAEL out and get the U.S out of there. It's their excuse.

hemagoku · Post by **hemagoku** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:06 pm

hey mods plz close this topic its getting me more scared post after post

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:25 pm

hemagoku wrote:hey mods plz close this topic its getting me more scared post after post

: >

It's time to do a Tom Cruise and build yourself a self-maintaining bunker : )

heroo · Post by **heroo** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:15 pm

hemagoku wrote:hey mods plz close this topic its getting me more scared post after post

the truth is scary

^owned^ · Post by **^owned^** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:27 pm

If thers ever gonna be a WW3 they better leave Finland alone

we're just a small country with a president with red hair(she owns)

Jstar1 · Post by **Jstar1** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:32 pm

history repeats itself

ww3 will end up becoming a west vs. middle east fight

just like the crusades. The terrorists are already considering their fight a holy war

Silver0 · Post by **Silver0** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:43 pm

China is going 2 win it all there industrial revolution didnt even get there so they skipped straight 2 eco items that save natural resources + enviromental friendly + money saying
within 20yrs china will have more money then usa and spain combine + thell beat us at space travel
while the other countries still investing in industrial
we now dont want 2 go 2 a ecosystem industry type thing b/c we would lose money and our economy would collapse

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:50 pm

You guys might like to read this: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... home-world