Nostradamus

[Colb]

lol Like I said, vague statements that can be linked to a range of things.

A lot like your statements.

[JacksColon]

anyone that believes this crap is an idiot.

I like what Penn from Penn and Teller said on one of these shows regarding Nostradamus predicting the 9/11 attacks. If there were people that knew of his predictions and knew what would happen, they should brought to trial on murder charges as they could have prevented such an event. The shear idiocracy of this crap is unbelievable.

[dom]

lol Like I said, vague statements that can be linked to a range of things.

A lot like your statements.

When you make attacks like that, with no supporting arguments, you lose credibility and look like an idiot.

[Reise]

I should publish em then, so morons can shit their pants in 2000 years thinking the world is gonna end.

[Colb]

lol Like I said, vague statements that can be linked to a range of things.

A lot like your statements.

When you make attacks like that, with no supporting arguments, you lose credibility and look like an idiot.

Then I guess one could argue that in fact you are the one who looks like an "idiot", due to the fact that I've already backed up my claim with two predictions. And as I said in a previous post (If you even bothered to read it), that not all of his predictions were/are true, nor is it realistic to believe that he would get every single one right. In fact, that's what makes it so amazing is that he was able to at least get even ONE right. I've already backed up 2 of my claims, yet he continues to post that it was just all a stab in the dark type of prediction like most prophecies. Maybe he should try to backup his argument.


Sidenote:

And about the Penn & Teller bullshit (no pun intended), what in the hell do you think happened with Pearl Harbor? There was clear evidence that an attack was coming that specific week yet we did nothing to prepare for it. So you think that the government will actually believe some crazy old guy that lived 500 years ago when he says that the twin towers will fall? Why on Earth would they believe that if they can't even believe their own military intelligence? Has Silkroad fried your brains?

I should publish em then, so morons can shit their pants in 2000 years thinking the world is gonna end.

In order for that to happen, you'd actually have to write something worth reading. Intelligent debates aren't for you.

[Stormprobe]

Dam it why is there always flaming in my topics

[JacksColon]

lol Like I said, vague statements that can be linked to a range of things.

A lot like your statements.

When you make attacks like that, with no supporting arguments, you lose credibility and look like an idiot.

Then I guess one could argue that in fact you are the one who looks like an "idiot", due to the fact that I've already backed up my claim with two predictions. And as I said in a previous post (If you even bothered to read it), that not all of his predictions were/are true, nor is it realistic to believe that he would get every single one right. In fact, that's what makes it so amazing is that he was able to at least get even ONE right. I've already backed up 2 of my claims, yet he continues to post that it was just all a stab in the dark type of prediction like most prophecies. Maybe he should try to backup his argument.


Sidenote:

And about the Penn & Teller bullshit (no pun intended), what in the hell do you think happened with Pearl Harbor? There was clear evidence that an attack was coming that specific week yet we did nothing to prepare for it. So you think that the government will actually believe some crazy old guy that lived 500 years ago when he says that the twin towers will fall? Why on Earth would they believe that if they can't even believe their own military intelligence? Has Silkroad fried your brains?

Exactly where did he say the twin towers will fall? Because, as Penn and Teller make the point, he never says that...nor does he say anything about anything specific. The difference is, people reported to the military, and they CHOSE not to do anything about it. No one ever went and said "Hey, on September 11, 2001, according to Nostradamus, muslim terrorists are going to fly planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon! so we better do something" you know why they didn't say that? Because it is ONLY after the fact that you can piece together tidbits of half-cocked, generic and vague mumbo-jumbo and go..."see, see, he predicted it! he was sooo right!" c'mon man, you're not that dumb are you? Do you believe in the Bible too? I mean, afterall, there were burning bushes and people made out of ribs and a talking snake in a tree FFS...it was written, so it MUST be true!

[Colb]

lol Like I said, vague statements that can be linked to a range of things.

A lot like your statements.

When you make attacks like that, with no supporting arguments, you lose credibility and look like an idiot.

Then I guess one could argue that in fact you are the one who looks like an "idiot", due to the fact that I've already backed up my claim with two predictions. And as I said in a previous post (If you even bothered to read it), that not all of his predictions were/are true, nor is it realistic to believe that he would get every single one right. In fact, that's what makes it so amazing is that he was able to at least get even ONE right. I've already backed up 2 of my claims, yet he continues to post that it was just all a stab in the dark type of prediction like most prophecies. Maybe he should try to backup his argument.


Sidenote:

And about the Penn & Teller bullshit (no pun intended), what in the hell do you think happened with Pearl Harbor? There was clear evidence that an attack was coming that specific week yet we did nothing to prepare for it. So you think that the government will actually believe some crazy old guy that lived 500 years ago when he says that the twin towers will fall? Why on Earth would they believe that if they can't even believe their own military intelligence? Has Silkroad fried your brains?

Exactly where did he say the twin towers will fall? Because, as Penn and Teller make the point, he never says that...nor does he say anything about anything specific. The difference is, people reported to the military, and they CHOSE not to do anything about it. No one ever went and said "Hey, on September 11, 2001, according to Nostradamus, muslim terrorists are going to fly planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon! so we better do something" you know why they didn't say that? Because it is ONLY after the fact that you can piece together tidbits of half-cocked, generic and vague mumbo-jumbo and go..."see, see, he predicted it! he was sooo right!" c'mon man, you're not that dumb are you? Do you believe in the Bible too? I mean, afterall, there were burning bushes and people made out of ribs and a talking snake in a tree FFS...it was written, so it MUST be true!

I think you've misinterpreted the point I was trying to make...

lol


But just so everyone knows, this is a debate. No hard feelings.

[Reise]

I should publish em then, so morons can shit their pants in 2000 years thinking the world is gonna end.

In order for that to happen, you'd actually have to write something worth reading. Intelligent debates aren't for you.

Who the f*ck are you? Seriously.

[Colb]

I should publish em then, so morons can shit their pants in 2000 years thinking the world is gonna end.

In order for that to happen, you'd actually have to write something worth reading. Intelligent debates aren't for you.

Who the f*ck are you? Seriously.

That guy on the internet that gets you all riled up over nothing.

[JacksColon]

No, no hard feelings, I just love arguing

September 11, 2001

After the terrorist skyjackings and attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001, a rumor was spread that Nostradamus had predicted it. The following quatrains were offered as proof:

In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city...

In the city of York there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
While the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
Third big war will begin when the big city is burning.

These quatrains are hoaxes. The first two lines seem to be an alteration of Centuries X, quatrain 72:

L'an mil neuf cent nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un grand Roi d'Angoumois.

Or in English,

The year 1999 seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.*

There is no reference in Nostradamus to "the new century and nine months."

The next two lines are from Centuries VI, quatrain 97.

Cinq et quarante degrés ciel brûlera,
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuve,
Or in English,

At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:

Some rumormongers speculated that 45 degrees refers to the latitude of New York, but the latitude in Central Park is 40° 47' N. Any but the dimmest bulb should be able to shoehorn "at 45 degrees the sky will burn" with some aspect of the terrorist attacks. The remainder of VI.97 is

Instant grand flamme éparse sautera,
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue,

Or in English,

In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.

The only thing in these lines that is even vaguely close to what happened is the mention of "a great scattered flame." Even the dimmest should be bright enough to find some way to connect "Normans" giving "proof" with what happened. ("In 911, a group of Scandinavian raiders under the leadership of Rollo sailed up the Seine and forced the French king to cede French territory." Coincidence?)

The only thing more detestable than these hoaxes are the psychics

[Colb]

Ok, fine. You win the 9/11 battle.



.... But you haven't won the WAR!

[JacksColon]

hahahaha

What about this:

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra grand Roy deffrayeur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angoumois.*
Avant après Mars régner par bonheur.

The year 1999 seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
To resuscitate the great king of the Mongols. Before and after Mars reigns by good luck. (X.72)*

Nobody, not even the most fanatical of Nostradamus's disciples, had a clue what this passage might have meant before July 1999. However, after John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife Carolyn Bessette and her sister Lauren Bessette, were killed in a plane crash on July 18, 1999, the retroprophets shoehorned the event to the "prophecy." Here is just one example culled from the Internet:

Could the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s airplane in July of 1999 fulfill the line "from the sky will come "the great King of Terror"? Could the human fear of death and bodily injury be the intended definition of "the great King of Terror"? It might be possible!*

"It might be possible"--now there is a precise bit of terminology. Other disciples were generous enough to think that Nostradamus was referring to a solar eclipse that would occur on August 11, 1999. Others feared a NASA space probe would come crashing down on earth.

Some claim that Nostradamus predicted the Challenger space shuttle disaster on January 28, 1986. Of course, they didn't recognize that he had predicted it until it was too late. Here is the passage:

D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part,
De jugement & conseil separés:
Leur sort sera divisé en départ,
Kappa, Thita, Lambda mors bannis égarés.

From the human flock nine will be sent away,
Separated from judgment and counsel:
Their fate will be sealed on departure
Kappa, Thita, Lambda the banished dead err (I.81).

Thiokol made the defective O-ring that is blamed for the disaster. The name has a 'k', 'th' and an 'l'. Never mind that there were seven who died, not nine. The rest is vague enough to retrofit many different scenarios.

True believers, such as Erika Cheetham (The Final Prophecies of Nostradamus, 1989), believe that Nostradamus foresaw the invention of bombs, rockets, submarines, and airplanes. He predicted the Great Fire of London (1666) and the rise of Adolph Hitler and many other events.

Skeptics cast doubt upon the interpretation of Nostradamus's quatrains (Randi 1993). Here is how James Randi and Cheetham read one of the more famous quatrains, allegedly predicting the rise of Adolph Hitler to power in Germany:

Bêtes farouches de faim fleuves tranner;
Plus part du champ encore Hister sera,
En caige de fer le grand sera treisner,
Quand rien enfant de Germain observa. (II.24)

Cheetham's version:

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battle will be against Hitler.
He will cause great men to be dragged in a cage of iron,
When the son of Germany obeys no law.

Randi's version:

Beasts mad with hunger will swim across rivers,
Most of the army will be against the Lower Danube.
The great one shall be dragged in an iron cage
When the child brother will observe nothing.

Neither translation seems to make much sense, but at least Randi's recognizes that "Hister" refers to a geographical region, not a person. So does "Germania," by the way; it refers to an ancient region of Europe, north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. It may also refer to a part of the Roman Empire, corresponding to present-day northeastern France and part of Belgium and the Netherlands. (Because Hister is an ancient name for the Danube region near Hitler's childhood home, some think the reference is clearly to him.)

[Stormprobe]

hahahaha

What about this:

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra grand Roy deffrayeur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angoumois.*
Avant après Mars régner par bonheur.

The year 1999 seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
To resuscitate the great king of the Mongols. Before and after Mars reigns by good luck. (X.72)*

Nobody, not even the most fanatical of Nostradamus's disciples, had a clue what this passage might have meant before July 1999. However, after John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife Carolyn Bessette and her sister Lauren Bessette, were killed in a plane crash on July 18, 1999, the retroprophets shoehorned the event to the "prophecy." Here is just one example culled from the Internet:

Could the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s airplane in July of 1999 fulfill the line "from the sky will come "the great King of Terror"? Could the human fear of death and bodily injury be the intended definition of "the great King of Terror"? It might be possible!*

"It might be possible"--now there is a precise bit of terminology. Other disciples were generous enough to think that Nostradamus was referring to a solar eclipse that would occur on August 11, 1999. Others feared a NASA space probe would come crashing down on earth.

Some claim that Nostradamus predicted the Challenger space shuttle disaster on January 28, 1986. Of course, they didn't recognize that he had predicted it until it was too late. Here is the passage:

D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part,
De jugement & conseil separés:
Leur sort sera divisé en départ,
Kappa, Thita, Lambda mors bannis égarés.

From the human flock nine will be sent away,
Separated from judgment and counsel:
Their fate will be sealed on departure
Kappa, Thita, Lambda the banished dead err (I.81).

Thiokol made the defective O-ring that is blamed for the disaster. The name has a 'k', 'th' and an 'l'. Never mind that there were seven who died, not nine. The rest is vague enough to retrofit many different scenarios.

True believers, such as Erika Cheetham (The Final Prophecies of Nostradamus, 1989), believe that Nostradamus foresaw the invention of bombs, rockets, submarines, and airplanes. He predicted the Great Fire of London (1666) and the rise of Adolph Hitler and many other events.

Skeptics cast doubt upon the interpretation of Nostradamus's quatrains (Randi 1993). Here is how James Randi and Cheetham read one of the more famous quatrains, allegedly predicting the rise of Adolph Hitler to power in Germany:

Bêtes farouches de faim fleuves tranner;
Plus part du champ encore Hister sera,
En caige de fer le grand sera treisner,
Quand rien enfant de Germain observa. (II.24)

Cheetham's version:

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battle will be against Hitler.
He will cause great men to be dragged in a cage of iron,
When the son of Germany obeys no law.

Randi's version:

Beasts mad with hunger will swim across rivers,
Most of the army will be against the Lower Danube.
The great one shall be dragged in an iron cage
When the child brother will observe nothing.

Neither translation seems to make much sense, but at least Randi's recognizes that "Hister" refers to a geographical region, not a person. So does "Germania," by the way; it refers to an ancient region of Europe, north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. It may also refer to a part of the Roman Empire, corresponding to present-day northeastern France and part of Belgium and the Netherlands. (Because Hister is an ancient name for the Danube region near Hitler's childhood home, some think the reference is clearly to him.)

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[FX]

i prefer negrodamus