Euro Warrior

Phenom · Post by **Phenom** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:46 pm

Hey guys/gals,

I've been searching through these forums for awhile and couldn't find a thread that covered the difference in damage that different warrior weapons inflicted. From the bits and pieces I could scrap together, I've come to this conclusion, however I believe it may be misleading since most warriors who posted were of the 2H variety.

2H = Highest damage dealing, good tank (real good tank if subbed cleric)
1H = A greater tank, but does significantly less dmg than 2H
Axes = I have no idea. I'd guess the damage output would be somewhere in between the other two, and would have the same tanking capabilities as a 2H (which would make this a useless build??).

Interested in hearing other opinions.
Cheers

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:52 pm

2h = High damage, decent tanker, and allots of cool skills, knockback, knockdown

1h = Good tanker, but if you want to be a 1h just scrap euro and make a blader

Dual = Massive amounts of damage, it's like a pure stream of non-stop crits and so on, ok tankers

Phenom · Post by **Phenom** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:56 pm

Thanks for the reply.
So dual does more damage than a 2H then, but with less tanking ability because no kd/kb? Not to mention the skills look pretty cool lol.

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:02 pm

Phenom wrote:Thanks for the reply.
So dual does more damage than a 2H then, but with less tanking ability because no kd/kb? Not to mention the skills look pretty cool lol.

I can't say for sure, but yeah, dual is deadly, like i said, it's a constant pure stream of damage, and all those crits, man, i'd like to see a dual warrior with a sosun with perfect crit, that would be SWEET

Zing · Post by **Zing** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:30 pm

Look into the guide section. There's a lot of information there on about Euro.

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=552270

TwelveEleven wrote:2.3 Dual Axes.
Doesn't deal as much dmg as the 2h sword build, but more than the 1h sword build. Also has some good support buffs. This is the tanker/puller of the party. Wears protector/armor

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:30 pm

warriors give nice damage, yes, but they're really slow as well, both in terms of moving speed and attack speed. their defensive buffs are decent at best, so they die easily. My euro character is dual-axe lvl 65 and he can still die at yetis if I get mobbed. granted, I don't have great gear either cuz I was getting powerlvled by my guildmates. no need to waste money on nice gear to use lvl up and not need it. I'm going heavy attack tho, and getting a rogue as my second mastery. xbow of course...great damage and crits...like the distance in attacks too. plus, I'll be able to wear light armor, which gives a bit better magic protection....warriors in heavy armor get blitzed by magic mobs.

PuppyPumper · Post by **PuppyPumper** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:25 am

Dingy, your gear must suck balls.

I am a 76 2 handed swordsman. I can tank a party giant lvl 80 general to my hearts content. While my party works it down. (in HP mode 21.1k hp and not taking breaks for iron skin to recharge)

Out of HP mode while regular grinding, I try to get as many generals on my as possilbe. I still die maybe once per week.

I wear heavy armor, and I can still take mages without much of a problem since I 1 hit them. They don't hit as hard as you think.

Also, chinese nukers only do about 10k damage to me unbuffed and I have 17k hp. I can take 3 hits before I die. Which gives me plenty of time to 1 shot them. Granted the full sun 80s are a bit tough as of right now until I get my lvl 80 maddening skill where they will once again be a 1-2 shot.

I have no intentions to switch to light armor as it makes a warrior look like a weiner. I am also full bard sub so I can wear garms if I choose. Though 8d garms remind me of the puffy shirt episode of Seinfeld. I also move quicker then most chinese with this bard sub mastery.

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:33 am

sirdingydang wrote:warriors give nice damage, yes, but they're really slow as well, both in terms of moving speed and attack speed. their defensive buffs are decent at best, so they die easily. My euro character is dual-axe lvl 65 and he can still die at yetis if I get mobbed. granted, I don't have great gear either cuz I was getting powerlvled by my guildmates. no need to waste money on nice gear to use lvl up and not need it. I'm going heavy attack tho, and getting a rogue as my second mastery. xbow of course...great damage and crits...like the distance in attacks too. plus, I'll be able to wear light armor, which gives a bit better magic protection....warriors in heavy armor get blitzed by magic mobs.

And that's why you die at yetis. I see level 55-60 tanks there all the time having absolutely no trouble fighting without dying. If anyone else can survive at the yetis (and I could do pretty well as a wizard without using life control), then a warrior sure can, especially with the iron skin when you get mobbed....you just can't really play your char if you die often at mobs 5 levels lower...and wth are you doing at yetis anyway.

OT: Axes are hybrid tanker/melee dmger, they have a defense passive and their attacks are pretty good, but they are mostly combos so you never get that 1 shot kill. Their specialty is stuning, which is the best option for them as it lets them use those combos. It will be a little problematic against chinese because combos allow them to pot.

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:36 pm

My euro character is dual-axe lvl 65 and he can still die at yetis

Lol ... impossible ... if it's that so? Dual Axe sux xD
Dude I'm lv. 60 2H warrior with almost fully npc-ed armor ...
And I can tank 8 yetis (with iron skin).

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:12 pm

torinchibi wrote:
sirdingydang wrote:warriors give nice damage, yes, but they're really slow as well, both in terms of moving speed and attack speed. their defensive buffs are decent at best, so they die easily. My euro character is dual-axe lvl 65 and he can still die at yetis if I get mobbed. granted, I don't have great gear either cuz I was getting powerlvled by my guildmates. no need to waste money on nice gear to use lvl up and not need it. I'm going heavy attack tho, and getting a rogue as my second mastery. xbow of course...great damage and crits...like the distance in attacks too. plus, I'll be able to wear light armor, which gives a bit better magic protection....warriors in heavy armor get blitzed by magic mobs.

And that's why you die at yetis. I see level 55-60 tanks there all the time having absolutely no trouble fighting without dying. If anyone else can survive at the yetis (and I could do pretty well as a wizard without using life control), then a warrior sure can, especially with the iron skin when you get mobbed....you just can't really play your char if you die often at mobs 5 levels lower...and wth are you doing at yetis anyway.

OT: Axes are hybrid tanker/melee dmger, they have a defense passive and their attacks are pretty good, but they are mostly combos so you never get that 1 shot kill. Their specialty is stuning, which is the best option for them as it lets them use those combos. It will be a little problematic against chinese because combos allow them to pot.

Powerlvling, which you hinted at is the reason why, has nothing to do with it. Yetis is just one example, but even before I Plvled and was hand grinding at lower levels, the same things happened. I'd get mobbed and die in no time. For being defensive-heavy, they suck at defense. Plus, they're slow as hell. And spending tons of gold on drug of wind/typhoon is stupid.

I believe PuppyPumper is right. My NPC gear is pretty terrible, but now that I'm done pLvling, I can invest in some good gear for a change. I think the main problem with yetis in particular, was that there are so many aggro devil yetis, plus, pt mobs (and I was mainly grinding out of party cuz eveyrone out there was already IN a party!)...PLUS, my gear was low lvl 7. Now, that I have high lvl 7 and even some lvl 8, i fair much better.

Oh, and I grind on yetis, because they are green and I get good drops

RockerFellow · Post by **RockerFellow** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:38 pm

+1 for those who want to start as dual axe. Good advices =)

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:55 pm

I'd get mobbed and die in no time. For being defensive-heavy, they suck at defense. Plus, they're slow as hell. And spending tons of gold on drug of wind/typhoon is stupid.

What world you live in? O.o
Party mob yeti is dealing 300 dmg x 4-5 (if they do rapid)
and 1000 dmg when they hit once strong (I have 8k hp
so it takes a while for them to kill me )

... they hit slow ,
I have time to stun them / knockback / knockdown them
and normal mob dies in 2-3 hits , party mob takes a while
but I can tank it without iron skin ....

If you get mobbed (what shouldnt happen if you're careful)
Put Iron skin , dont waste it at some other time .

And with Iron skin they deal like 20-50 dmg all the time ....
I'm level 60 ... have no problems at all .... Can tank alot of em ....

Oh, and I grind on yetis, because they are green and I get good drops

They are green becouse your 4++ levels higher then them ...
and I doubt drop rate has anything to do with that

Phenom · Post by **Phenom** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:08 pm

As far as PVP goes, how do warriors fair against chinese classes and other euro classes. I know my high lvl chinese char (glave) got destroyed by a guildmates warrior that was 4-5 levels below me (both 7x), got rocked by a 18k crit (and no my gear isnt npc junk). They seem able to hold their own, atleast vs glavers lol.

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:13 pm

Phenom wrote:As far as PVP goes, how do warriors fair against chinese classes and other euro classes. I know my high lvl chinese char (glave) got destroyed by a guildmates warrior that was 4-5 levels below me (both 7x), got rocked by a 18k crit (and no my gear isnt npc junk). They seem able to hold their own, atleast vs glavers lol.

I've never PvPed a chinese yet. I've been meaning to try...perhaps tonight.

Mark

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:16 pm

Phenom wrote:Hey guys/gals,

I've been searching through these forums for awhile and couldn't find a thread that covered the difference in damage that different warrior weapons inflicted. From the bits and pieces I could scrap together, I've come to this conclusion, however I believe it may be misleading since most warriors who posted were of the 2H variety.

2H = Highest damage dealing, good tank (real good tank if subbed cleric)
1H = A greater tank, but does significantly less dmg than 2H
Axes = I have no idea. I'd guess the damage output would be somewhere in between the other two, and would have the same tanking capabilities as a 2H (which would make this a useless build??).

Interested in hearing other opinions.
Cheers

dual axe isnt useless build it has midium defence and offnce in between 1h/s and 2h.. it doesnt have a sheild but it have a def passive

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:16 pm

Nitrozz wrote:
I'd get mobbed and die in no time. For being defensive-heavy, they suck at defense. Plus, they're slow as hell. And spending tons of gold on drug of wind/typhoon is stupid.

What world you live in? O.o
Party mob yeti is dealing 300 dmg x 4-5 (if they do rapid)
and 1000 dmg when they hit once strong (I have 8k hp
so it takes a while for them to kill me )

... they hit slow ,
I have time to stun them / knockback / knockdown them
and normal mob dies in 2-3 hits , party mob takes a while
but I can tank it without iron skin ....

If you get mobbed (what shouldnt happen if you're careful)
Put Iron skin , dont waste it at some other time .

And with Iron skin they deal like 20-50 dmg all the time ....
I'm level 60 ... have no problems at all .... Can tank alot of em ....

Oh, and I grind on yetis, because they are green and I get good drops

They are green becouse your 4++ levels higher then them ...
and I doubt drop rate has anything to do with that

Drop rate has everything to do with it. Greens drops more than greys or oranges. Plus, I would get my butt kicked against those higher lvls.

And getting mobbed is easy when devil yetis spawn rapidly, which they do, and even if I'm grinding on a yeti area, and 3 devil yetis start attacking me, it can get tough. I'm not trying to bi*ch and moan here, I'm just saying that so far I don't like my euro. Rogue is my subclass, so I plan on getting that up higher and using it more frequently.

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:25 pm

sirdingydang wrote: Plus, I would get my butt kicked against those higher lvls.

get ur butt kicked against higher lvls? EURO are built on party play, find good party and you can easily rape mobs 11 lvls higher than you :twisted:

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:37 pm

Double_D wrote:
sirdingydang wrote: Plus, I would get my butt kicked against those higher lvls.

get ur butt kicked against higher lvls? EURO are built on party play, find good party and you can easily rape mobs 11 lvls higher than you

and lord knows I love raping

Yeah, with npc gear, and nothing but bot parties, it can be a pain. I guess I"ll have to find a legit party somewhere, or suck it up and just get into a party with bots....ugh..

Nitro · Post by **Nitro** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:53 pm

Yeah, with npc gear, and nothing but bot parties, it can be a pain. I guess I"ll have to find a legit party somewhere, or suck it up and just get into a party with bots....ugh..

Well... You dont have cash?
Buy maybe better gear? ... Well if you can grind at yetis...
shouldn't be problem ... and it isn't hard to find party ...

Go grind with your guildies / friends ...
or pay some one to powerlevel you
(not that I support powerleveling, but its an option too ....)

You sound like its end of the world ... enjoy the game ...
go pvp / jobbing ... take a little break if your bored of grinding....
Trust me after you come back you will love to grind ...

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:30 pm

Nitrozz wrote:
Yeah, with npc gear, and nothing but bot parties, it can be a pain. I guess I"ll have to find a legit party somewhere, or suck it up and just get into a party with bots....ugh..

Well... You dont have cash?
Buy maybe better gear? ... Well if you can grind at yetis...
shouldn't be problem ... and it isn't hard to find party ...

Go grind with your guildies / friends ...
or pay some one to powerlevel you
(not that I support powerleveling, but its an option too ....)

You sound like its end of the world ... enjoy the game ...
go pvp / jobbing ... take a little break if your bored of grinding....
Trust me after you come back you will love to grind ...

Nah mate, not the end of the world. Just warrior probably wasn't the best choice for me, but I'm not one to give up easily lol.

Yeah, when I can, I get my guildies to help out, which is nice, but they're mostly all high lvls. I have gold, and will buy nice gear and pimp out what I have that isn't already nice. But, I'm not able to fully where 8d yet, so, I am going to wait until I get full 8d before spending too much gold (as I don't have THAT much) and pimping.

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:31 pm

wth

they have a whole party made of bots each one doing his job? healing tanking etc

wow this is getting suckier by the moment

RockerFellow · Post by **RockerFellow** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:46 pm

That's the "Powerlevel" with the capital P :]

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:02 pm

I'm not sure that everyone is doing their "job" out there, but all the parties out there are full, can't get in..AND it's easy to tell they are bots..they do not speak, they run around like mad and just kill everything in site (obviously their KS is on). whatev

Double_D · Post by **Double_D** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:20 pm

sirdingydang wrote:I'm not sure that everyone is doing their "job" out there, but all the parties out there are full, can't get in..AND it's easy to tell they are bots..they do not speak, they run around like mad and just kill everything in site (obviously their KS is on). whatev

this sounds like me when i am in grinding mode with friends
.. but i dont bot

Vegetaz · Post by **Vegetaz** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:57 pm

from my experience: 2hand: normal damage, cant level up solo... 1hand: lower dmg, CAN level up so... , havent tried the 2hand axe but i think it should be smth simular to 2hand sword.. but if u want 1 hand i suggest u make a blader, if u want 2hand, make a nuker or smth, coz hes still gona die from monsters... mayby not from 1 or 2, but ur still gona die alot ...

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:20 pm

I already have a chinese blader, that's why I wanted a strong Euro character

pequenoleao · Post by **pequenoleao** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

My opnion: A Warrior is not just a 2H or S/S or 2-Axe ...

The warrior tree is the smallest... and not because someone @ joymax hates warriors!
They presume you will use more than just one of these weapons!

I had a 2H-S and ok.. great crits... nice damage... but every giant or party @ same lvl or 2 lvl above was hard to kill...
Then I read a guide here and it everything became better...

I get the S/S tree also and now I kill everything with 2H-S and when a giant or party appears I put S/S ... no more pot-wasting... and higher def and blocking chance gives extra time to help with pot delay.

And when in party, i also use S/S, cause knockback prevent wizards and others to kill monsters faster.

For me... a good warrior use one of the 2 handed weapon style and S/S.

Pure Str with cleric sub just to ress friends, minor healing, bless and recoverys.

this is the guide: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=60811

Dian Jie · Post by **Dian Jie** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:12 am

Well, pequenoleao just posted exactly what I think and do too.

I have 2H and 1H masteries, and cleric as sub. If I'm soloing I use the 2H. I can 2hit mobs 2lvls higher than me atm.

I've also heard a good tactic with the 2h is to taunt a ton of green mobs onto ya, then use aoe skills on them. Yet to try it myself, but will once I get blessed recovery @lvl 40. Can't wait!

JacksColon · Post by **JacksColon** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:28 pm

Hmmm I never thought of doing this.....makes perfect sense though. No, the problem is....I have lvld up Rogue over 40....grrrr....and only lvld up my dual-axe skills...should I start over with a new character? or continue with this one? dlvl the skills? or keep doing what i'm doing? advice?

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