Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

glavie · Post by **glavie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:01 pm

Doctor_MOS wrote:in the table above (from tomiator) i see 6% increase, not 7%

Remember I said I did the math wrong and I would be off by about 0.5%. Well it is actually 6.6% rounded to 7% within about 1% accuracy.

Ice_Warrior wrote:the phy dmg in fire doesnt do anything -.-, i nvr use to use the flame body extreme, but now that i have, there's no increase in my dmg.

I am sure there is a difference. Is the difference important to you?.....Perhaps not.

elnawawi wrote:And all other cold skill only for freeze/frost and have no other use : cold wave , imbue , nova ..

Frost nova is extremely useful. It has saved my life countless times. Imbue is also very nice for grinding and against non immune players.

A little story. I was out jobbing looking for thieves. One ran by on a horse. Since they were on the horse there buffs had run out. I killed the horse and then froze them.
Of course you cant count on everyone not being fully buffed but it does happen.

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:05 pm

glavie wrote:
Doctor_MOS wrote:in the table above (from tomiator) i see 6% increase, not 7%

Remember I said I did the math wrong and I would be off by about 0.5%. Well it is actually 6.6% rounded to 7% within about 1% accuracy.
ok ty, i understand
Ice_Warrior wrote:the phy dmg in fire doesnt do anything -.-, i nvr use to use the flame body extreme, but now that i have, there's no increase in my dmg.

I am sure there is a difference. Is the difference important to you?.....Perhaps not.
i do see a little increase in my damage, for me its just not worth to level it up towards 60+

elnawawi wrote:And all other cold skill only for freeze/frost and have no other use : cold wave , imbue , nova ..

Frost nova is extremely useful. It has saved my life countless times. Imbue is also very nice for grinding and against non immune players.

A little story. I was out jobbing looking for thieves. One ran by on a horse. Since they were on the horse there buffs had run out. I killed the horse and then froze them.
Of course you cant count on everyone not being fully buffed but it does happen.

no you can't count on everyone being full buffed ofcorse. But im always shocked buy how maney players arn't ice immumm :O (lol myself isn't immuum too lol )

Hasbin · Post by **Hasbin** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:46 pm

elnawawi wrote:
Cold lvl 60 have 42 phy def (passive) , 42 phy def (buff) total 84
Cold lvl 80 have 59 phy def (passive) , 81 phy def (buff) total 140 (loss 56 phy def .. will be more in 90)

Im sure the the lvl 80 passive is the same as the active buff since its the same on 60. And according to the skill table its 81

So its 81+81= 162 thus a loss of 78 phy def.

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:39 pm

[quote=Ice_Warrior]hybrid can use 50% snow shield, i am 70:70 bow L78 and i amusing it, it works fine against str and sum hybrid, but pure int and euro 40% max.[/quote]

This post prove my opinion .. INT builds are more dangerous against this build more than str .. and watch kaws vedio too ..

[quote=Doctor_MOS]Your idea would be good for 80 cap, i just don't think it will work better at 90 cap.
[/quote]

My idea For cap 80 is : 80 pacheon , 80 fire , 80 light , 60 cold
My idea for cap 90 is : 90 pacheon , 89 light , 61 fire , 60 cold .. you don't love it ..
Your idea for 90 is : 90 pacheon , 90 light , 90 cold , 30 fire .. I don't love it ..

For me :
+ phy damge , + mag def are better than + phy def

[quote=glavie]Frost nova is extremely useful. It has saved my life countless times. Imbue is also very nice for grinding and against non immune players. [/quote]
I love nova .. do well in PVE .. may be good in PVP too to freeze/forst ppl who will do close lethal attack .. but I love shadow walk at this situation and have my range .. this build is bow with range +20 m .. so why think about nova that mean close battle ?!
And for PVE .. my friends lvl 57 nuker and 58 glavier recorded a vedio killing lvl 79 Royal guard .. the nuker have his nova some lvls behind him and he still freeze/frost that royal guard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKEkciMWvM
So I think nova in 60 still safe your life , but speed line will do better ..

[quote=Hasbin]Im sure the the lvl 80 passive is the same as the active buff since its the same on 60. And according to the skill table its 81
So its 81+81= 162 thus a loss of 78 phy def[/quote].

My information come from this topic :
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=49380
If there is a wrong number so it's not my wrong ...

Ice_Warrior · Post by **Ice_Warrior** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:51 pm

pacheon - 90
Ice - 90
Light - 90
Fire - 30

glavie · Post by **glavie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:00 pm

elnawawi wrote:My idea For cap 80 is : 80 pacheon , 80 fire , 80 light , 60 cold
My idea for cap 90 is : 90 pacheon , 89 light , 61 fire , 60 cold .. you don't love it ..
Your idea for 90 is : 90 pacheon , 90 light , 90 cold , 30 fire .. I don't love it ..

Actually I really like your 90cap idea. Stronger hitting build with slightly better magic defense. You will still be able to run 40% snow shield which is mandatory IMO.
The only thing you really loose is ice imbue. Personally I really like ice imbue and I would take it over the increase in damage at this time. If at higher level I find myself using lightning imbue more then I will follow your example.

I am happy to say I have a glavier friend who will be 64(my lvl) in a few weeks with the same gap as me and almost identical stats on weapons.
My gear is a little better but I will do my best to even up the fight. I will let you guys know how it turns out.

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:48 pm

@ elnawawi (sorry not quoting seems it isn't working and kinda getting mess in that post)

Im using phantom walk (yellow flash light thingy) alot in pvp, in combination with frost nova. It seems to do pritty wel to use my 2 books of frost nova and then flash away (you get 2 times in a row 50% of freezing them) this way you got range and they won't be able to be on your *ss within 2 sec

Ok, for me it's 90/90/90 pacheon ice/lightning. What i would like to know (100% correct) is that defence buffs are growing lineair or expentional? If they are growing expentional wouldn't you bennefit more of taking 1 fire/ice maxed *just thoughts not flaming any builds*

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:37 pm

Just an idea didn't thought before ..

If you have problem with phy def in my build just wear 1~3 items of armor instead of protector .. this will solve the problem with your phy def (and the fire buff will do the job with the loss of mag def with armor) and you still have your 7% phy attack .. that's good choice ..

And if you wanna use the nova before you phantom walk just use it .. all you lose is that you will not freeze/frost him long time ..

As glavie said : The only thing you really loose is ice imbue ...
thx glavie for supporting my idea ..

And an plz when you pvp this glavier make sure you play some rounds without the cold def buff to see if you can tank him till his death or not and use lower lvls of the buff to test too .. and at last test your snow shield .. this will give us good results to make sure that we say right things not dreamy things

jacov · Post by **jacov** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:51 am

Im also a 70:70 bowman just finished farming and i tought of an idea and id like to know what you guys think.

What if you go for:
90 Pacheon
87Fire* Well you can basicly get everything its not big difference if its not 90 and it can be your imbue so its good damage.
69Ice * that way you can still get Snow Shield Freeze Lvl 4
54Lighting * that way you can max out Speed Piercing Force LvL3
^
This way you have awesome defense + a good attack.

Let me know what youthink of this idea because thats what im thinking of making but i wouldnt wana make it if its no good

Hitman144 · Post by **Hitman144** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:45 am

hybrid bow will die easy and wont be able to kill at 90 cap,

while pure str on the other hand will dominate

Noob4Life · Post by **Noob4Life** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:57 pm

Btw ths Jadekiss...for giving me your bow char (lvl 45)

Im really glad to met you !!!
Thx a lot mate

jacov · Post by **jacov** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:29 pm

what do you think of what i posted earlier?

90 Pacheon
87Fire* Well you can basicly get everything its not big difference if its not 90 and it can be your imbue so its good damage.
69Ice * that way you can still get Snow Shield Freeze Lvl 4
54Lighting * that way you can max out Speed Piercing Force LvL3
^
This way you have awesome defense + a good attack.

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:35 pm

jacov wrote:what do you think of what i posted earlier?

90 Pacheon
87Fire* Well you can basicly get everything its not big difference if its not 90 and it can be your imbue so its good damage.
69Ice * that way you can still get Snow Shield Freeze Lvl 4
54Lighting * that way you can max out Speed Piercing Force LvL3
^
This way you have awesome defense + a good attack.

you will lack ALOT of damage from having such a low lightning, since this is an int build the ligtning buff helps it great

lightning and pacheon should ALWAYS be your main three's with this build

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:02 am

jacov wrote:what do you think of what i posted earlier?

90 Pacheon
87Fire* Well you can basicly get everything its not big difference if its not 90 and it can be your imbue so its good damage.
69Ice * that way you can still get Snow Shield Freeze Lvl 4
54Lighting * that way you can max out Speed Piercing Force LvL3
^
This way you have awesome defense + a good attack.

check my replay at your topic :
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=63845&highlight=

imp3r10 · Post by **imp3r10** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:37 am

how is a 70:70 bow different than an 80:80 bow

wouldn't theoretically 80:80 be better as both phy & mag balance is higher?

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:21 am

imp3r10 wrote:how is a 70:70 bow different than an 80:80 bow

wouldn't theoretically 80:80 be better as both phy & mag balance is higher?

70:70 is the naked stats, 80:80 is with pimped gear

jacov · Post by **jacov** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:33 pm

hey im not sure if this has to do with the topic but um this is where all the good bowmans respond so ill ask here.

Im currently lvl 42 70:70 bowman and i realy enjoy this build its realy fun, but somehow i've noticed that euro chars and the other chinesse chars are so much stronger at pvp. I dont understand why dont they put other moves and buffs on pacheon so they can equal the strenght at pvp to all the chinesse/euro chars. A friend of mine is crossbow lvl 50 and he does 3.9k damage to lvl 57 and he is pure str so he has more hp then i do + his not using sos. Thats unbelievable and i realize i could only do something like that if i had sosun.

I've read some forums and from what i've seen, it says that chinesse bowman doesnt stand a chance vs Crossbow and at 90cap the will be one of the weakest builds.
*Is this all true i realy wouldnt want to start on a new char i realy enjoy playing with this one, are they ever going to put buffs on pacheon or better moves to the point where they can be very deadly like the other chars?

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:11 pm

jacov wrote:hey im not sure if this has to do with the topic but um this is where all the good bowmans respond so ill ask here.

Im currently lvl 42 70:70 bowman and i realy enjoy this build its realy fun, but somehow i've noticed that euro chars and the other chinesse chars are so much stronger at pvp. I dont understand why dont they put other moves and buffs on pacheon so they can equal the strenght at pvp to all the chinesse/euro chars. A friend of mine is crossbow lvl 50 and he does 3.9k damage to lvl 57 and he is pure str so he has more hp then i do + his not using sos. Thats unbelievable and i realize i could only do something like that if i had sosun.

I've read some forums and from what i've seen, it says that chinesse bowman doesnt stand a chance vs Crossbow and at 90cap the will be one of the weakest builds.
*Is this all true i realy wouldnt want to start on a new char i realy enjoy playing with this one, are they ever going to put buffs on pacheon or better moves to the point where they can be very deadly like the other chars?

Hehe well euro chars are overpowered... and in pvp they can also 1-2 hit every build (no sosun lol) but they have potdelay... so they wont be able to pvp in group if they dont have a healer...
since the new update... sro became more and more a group battle like guild wars etc.
Crossbow are really strong no doubt.. but i think i prefer a strong chince bow with no pot delay then a crossbow who cant even tank a giant proberly... feel free to critisize

hehe

jacov · Post by **jacov** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:39 am

alright thanks for the reply i just kinda hoped they would make chinsee bowman stronger.

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:08 am

jacov wrote:alright thanks for the reply i just kinda hoped they would make chinsee bowman stronger.

i noticed at lv 42 i didn't stand a chance for example against glavie's

however (really, don't ask me why) im now level 50 and p*wning the sh1t out most of them

(most arn't full farmed tho, but i pvpt some with full sos set etc)

*edit* pacheon is becomming alot better at level 47+49, since your getting your new bezeker arrow and anti devil arrow (which damage is alot higher) maybe it's becease of this

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:22 pm

jacov wrote:hey im not sure if this has to do with the topic but um this is where all the good bowmans respond so ill ask here.

Im currently lvl 42 70:70 bowman and i realy enjoy this build its realy fun, but somehow i've noticed that euro chars and the other chinesse chars are so much stronger at pvp. I dont understand why dont they put other moves and buffs on pacheon so they can equal the strenght at pvp to all the chinesse/euro chars. A friend of mine is crossbow lvl 50 and he does 3.9k damage to lvl 57 and he is pure str so he has more hp then i do + his not using sos. Thats unbelievable and i realize i could only do something like that if i had sosun.

I've read some forums and from what i've seen, it says that chinesse bowman doesnt stand a chance vs Crossbow and at 90cap the will be one of the weakest builds.
*Is this all true i realy wouldnt want to start on a new char i realy enjoy playing with this one, are they ever going to put buffs on pacheon or better moves to the point where they can be very deadly like the other chars?

lol you don't know what are euro characters ....
lvl 80 rogue can crit +21 k damge on glaviers .. this number kill all possible builds at 80 fully farmed with maxed blue .. but when he is at this mode he have - 50% HP and - 40% phy def as crossbow and for dagger he loss 75% both mag and phy def ... so you can 1 hit him even your weakest skill (but don't use combo with him as it give him a chance to heal and he will 1 hit you with no crit if your snow shield isn't on ) ..

also he is so slow in moving if his sub class isn't bard .. so you should use speed and phantom walk to avoid/attack him ..

If he have no cleric mastery and holy word on you can try freeze/frost him and you will own ..

And you should take care of the stealth mode they can go on so be carful and detect them using that fire skill before they start the attack ...

And as hybrid you have less HP and the attack of rogue can shatter you into pieces so you need your snow shield to tank few hits before killing him

Anyway all bow characters can't feel the ultimate power of the bow before +70 lvl as they still have not the elite skills of the bow .. but they can still enjoy the nice range and damge 70:70 bow do ..

Bowder · Post by **Bowder** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:35 am

hi im now currently lvl 41 n im a pure int bower. now tat i see tis forum i wanna change to hybrid. issit possible to change now? my stats are 70 str n 192 int. n my magical balance is 95% n 55% when naked. can someone please advice if its too late to change to hybrid now? thanks.

Jadekiss · Post by **Jadekiss** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:54 am

Bowder wrote:hi im now currently lvl 41 n im a pure int bower. now tat i see tis forum i wanna change to hybrid. issit possible to change now? my stats are 70 str n 192 int. n my magical balance is 95% n 55% when naked. can someone please advice if its too late to change to hybrid now? thanks.

Hehe you dont have to post here and write me a pm mate

Well i answered you already !

For the others.. its not to late... all points on str till lvl 67 -> 70:69

Flowerpot · Post by **Flowerpot** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:10 am

why 70%:70% ratio is good? why 70:70 ??? why can't it be 50:70 would that deal more damage due to int base bow? why 70:70???

why can't it be 60:70?? why need 70:70?? :banghead:

20:70 is good. GOD DAMGE :roll:

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:11 am

Flowerpot wrote:why 70%:70% ratio is good? why 70:70 ??? why can't it be 50:70 would that deal more damage due to int base bow? why 70:70???

why can't it be 60:70?? why need 70:70??

20:70 is good. GOD DAMGE

look at your thread

marckillz91 · Post by **marckillz91** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:09 am

Porpoise wrote:In my opinion, this build isn't all that great. They may have good damage with the bow, but it is completely pointless because the nukes will do even more damage , and one of the only things that makes a bow good is that if you crit as a pure str, it is almost an instant kill. If you are a hybrid, you do much less damage when you crit, and you dont have any of the useful skills that Bicheon and the Glavie masteries have, such as knockdown and stun. This means that you are pretty much helpless if anybody knocks you down or stuns you. This build would probably work out with either spear or sword, but from my experience, it won't be too good for a bow

On the other hand, it probably will do well against bows, if that is what you are going to go against most often.

Btw, just so you know, sword and spear nukers are the most common builds in SRO, with pure str Glavie coming very close.

u know, bow has the strongest attack from whole chinees thats strong bow. u do like 30% more damage when ur 70 70. anti devil and berseker arrow does do some lesser damage then lightning nuke. strong bow anti devil and lightning nuke is a way to do the most damage.

Doctor_MOS · Post by **Doctor_MOS** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:08 pm

marckillz91 wrote:
Porpoise wrote:In my opinion, this build isn't all that great. They may have good damage with the bow, but it is completely pointless because the nukes will do even more damage , and one of the only things that makes a bow good is that if you crit as a pure str, it is almost an instant kill. If you are a hybrid, you do much less damage when you crit, and you dont have any of the useful skills that Bicheon and the Glavie masteries have, such as knockdown and stun. This means that you are pretty much helpless if anybody knocks you down or stuns you. This build would probably work out with either spear or sword, but from my experience, it won't be too good for a bow

On the other hand, it probably will do well against bows, if that is what you are going to go against most often.

Btw, just so you know, sword and spear nukers are the most common builds in SRO, with pure str Glavie coming very close.

u know, bow has the strongest attack from whole chinees thats strong bow. u do like 30% more damage when ur 70 70. anti devil and berseker arrow does do some lesser damage then lightning nuke. strong bow anti devil and lightning nuke is a way to do the most damage.

wth whats even the point of this BS???

That's been writen around, 1 year ago or something (Too lazy to search for the data) Don't make yourself foolish, 70:70 has greatly improved with the euro update. Without the fast strong bow and on the 70es KB and stun, i wouldn't have much fate into it lol

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:52 pm

You remember our discussion about the crit
I will tell you gooddata about the crit ...

First of all we already know that crit is an attack based on phy ...
To be accurate it's 2X phy damge you do with no crit ...
Just pick an str or hybrid or int build and go use weapon skills (without imbue) till you have crit and you will see that the damge go for 2 X at all cases ...

The point that make people say that hybrid do damge less than pure str that the phy base damge (which will be double when crit) is a lot higher if you are str build ... BUT they forget that 70:70 build have high mag attack that will add damge to the attack ..

Some of people already know that .. and know that the question is :
Is the mag damge from imbue is high enough to full the gap in phy*2 come from crit ?

No one has answered this question before .. But I will help you

Pure str bow when use auto attack + imbue in PVE (against monsters) his damge will be (65% from phy , 35% from mag) [Don't be shocked that's from real number for a naked pure str character lvl 32(94%:32% balance] ..
When he crit his damge will be (0.65*2 + 0.35) = 1.65 from his non-crit attack ...

70:70 hybrid when use auto attack + imbue in PVE his damge is (30% from phy , 70% from mag )
When he crit he will (0.30*2 + 0.70) = 1.3 from his non-crit damge ...

And to compare of these 2 values we need to know what's te multipile number in damge that 70:70 do higher than pure str (naked, and in the same lvl, with npc weapon ) ..

Say that pure STR do (X) damge , 70:70 do (Y) damge
And when crit it will be :
Cx = (0.65*2 + 0.35) X = 1.65 X
Cy = (0.30*2 + 0.70) Y = 1.30 Y

So if we said that crit from pure str and 70:70 will be the same (for example) ..
We should say that :
Cx = Cy
1.65 X = 1.30 Y
Y = 1.65/1.3 X = 1.27 X ..

That mean if 70:70 bow do 27% more damge than pure str bow in normal attack+imbue , they will both do the same damge when they crit ...

That's a result we can say for normal attack + imbue ... but when we use weapon skills the part of phy damge in overall damge will increase and part of mag damge will decrease .. and the formula will not be Cx= 1.65 X & Cy= 1.3 Y ... it may be Cx= 1.8 X , and Cy = 1.4 Y .. (I'm not sure I need to test this in the game) so we will need to calculate again ..
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kwfreedom · Post by **kwfreedom** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:48 am

<< EDITED >>

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silverion · Post by **silverion** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:46 am

can someone answer my 3doubts ?

for a 70:70 build, i know that anti devil and combo series is our bread and butter in pvp and pve.. strongbow series is another good skill i like. what other bow skills do you guys actually recommend to max ?

does 70:70 bower max their light/fire nuke as well or do they rely solely on pacheon weapon skills during fights ?

thks a million