Bi-Polarism; Manic Depression

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:47 am

I come to you as a community, because I need some opionions.
I am both of the above, known it for years. Lately it has been getting a lot worse, but I can't afford medication. Does anyone else with either of these conditions know of any methods of dealing with the problems without medication? Not having control of myself is really bothering me.

Shadowman20818 · Post by **Shadowman20818** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:49 am

I thought the two were the same thing?

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:50 am

Not entirely, they go hand in hand.
Bi-polarism is uncontrollable mood swings; I can go from happy to sobbing to raging anger in seconds for no reason at all. Manic depression (for me) is just constant depression no matter what.

*edit* I was wrong, you're right. Bi-polar is just a new term for manic depression. I was 11-12 when it was explained to me, so I guess I can see where I got mixed up.

Shadowman20818 · Post by **Shadowman20818** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:57 am

I think you experience chronic depression although I forgot the medical term, webMD later XD

And sorry, don't know too much about the brain except the drugs.

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:27 am

There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Cant you get some form of financial medical assistance?

If you are forced to limit the meds, at least be on a mood stabilizer.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:28 am

Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:32 am

Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:33 am

Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:43 am

Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression

. You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

Reise · Post by **Reise** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:44 am

Since I'm a certified internet PhD in absolutely everything, I'm going to suggest you fondle women and blame it on your disorder. Their look of surprise and anger will quickly change to a look of sadness and sympathy.

Edit: And someone's been deleting my posts.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:45 am

Reise wrote:Since I'm a certified internet PhD in absolutely everything, I'm going to suggest you fondle women and blame it on your disorder. Their look of surprise and anger will quickly change to a look of sadness and sympathy.

LMFAO thanks <3
instant sig moment

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:45 am

Reise wrote:Since I'm a certified internet PhD in absolutely everything, I'm going to suggest you fondle women and blame it on your disorder. Their look of surprise and anger will quickly change to a look of sadness and sympathy.

S/he isnt insane you know -.-

its a mood disorder, not the same with psychosis

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:46 am

Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Sylhana wrote:
Reise wrote:Since I'm a certified internet PhD in absolutely everything, I'm going to suggest you fondle women and blame it on your disorder. Their look of surprise and anger will quickly change to a look of sadness and sympathy.

S/he isnt insane you know -.-

its a mood disorder, not the same with psychosis

I always understood BPD was a manifestation of psychosis

and I'm a he thanks <3

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:47 am

Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:49 am

Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

oh okay; I agree with that, but good luck geting my mom to admit she has problems too.
More stubborn than anyone I have ever met; nothing is ever wrong with her!

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:53 am

Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

oh okay; I agree with that, but good luck geting my mom to admit she has problems too.
More stubborn than anyone I have ever met; nothing is ever wrong with her!

I think its normal for your mom to act that way. I've seen family members act in a similar fashion, especially with bad experience from the past with another family member/friend. She's only thinking of whats best for you from her experience with your father. Your treating doctor should at least reassure your mom, and keep her in the loop with the management of your bipolar and depression.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:55 am

Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

oh okay; I agree with that, but good luck geting my mom to admit she has problems too.
More stubborn than anyone I have ever met; nothing is ever wrong with her!

I think its normal for your mom to act that way. I've seen family members act in a similar fashion, especially with bad experience from the past with another family member/friend. She's only thinking of whats best for you from her experience with your father. Your treating doctor should at least reassure your mom, and keep her in the loop with the management of your bipolar and depression.

I'm 14, there is no way I can get to a doctor without going through her. That is why there is such a problem here.

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:03 am

Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

oh okay; I agree with that, but good luck geting my mom to admit she has problems too.
More stubborn than anyone I have ever met; nothing is ever wrong with her!

I think its normal for your mom to act that way. I've seen family members act in a similar fashion, especially with bad experience from the past with another family member/friend. She's only thinking of whats best for you from her experience with your father. Your treating doctor should at least reassure your mom, and keep her in the loop with the management of your bipolar and depression.

I'm 14, there is no way I can get to a doctor without going through her. That is why there is such a problem here.

Talk to your mom, and try to find a compromise. After all, she's only trying to do whats best for you, but she doenst know whats most effective for you since you are the one experiencing it. Let her know, give her feedback. On the first sign that your mood starts to go down again, tell her you really need help, and what is working and what isnt.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:04 am

theres is a natural cure for anything trust me. I don't know exactly what the cure or treatment is but theres a plant or fruit or vegetable out there that will help nature can do amazing things. So go look up a more natural approach to feeling better instead of relying on the pills the pharmacy says you'll NEED....

TOloseGT · Post by **TOloseGT** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:18 am

surround urself wit funny people, and run away at the first sign of high school drama.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:16 pm

Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:
Xyzzzy wrote:
Sylhana wrote:There isnt an alternative form of medication other than mood stabilizers for your bipolar (which you should be on), and an antidepressant that has been proven to be effective. Can you get some form of financial medical assistance?

Its not that I couldn't find a way, its that my mom refuses to admit it, instead she prefers to shell out for counseling >_>

Counselling isnt the solution :/ Its partly organic what you are experiencing. Research has shown only medication offers the most help unfortunately

great for a dent in my pocket.

The reason she refuses is that my father had it so severely and it ruined her life, so now she won't admit to herself that I am the same way

Theres definitely a genetic component to it as you found out. But the severity varies. You just need close management, cause its different for each individuals. I could only imagine what your mother is going through having known two family members affected by BPAD/manic depression . You could go for counselling, but you cant go without your meds.

I understand it all except for the last sentence, could you restate?

Meds are the bare minimum, in your case the mood stabilizers. Counselling can help, but more so for your family members.

oh okay; I agree with that, but good luck geting my mom to admit she has problems too.
More stubborn than anyone I have ever met; nothing is ever wrong with her!

I think its normal for your mom to act that way. I've seen family members act in a similar fashion, especially with bad experience from the past with another family member/friend. She's only thinking of whats best for you from her experience with your father. Your treating doctor should at least reassure your mom, and keep her in the loop with the management of your bipolar and depression.

I'm 14, there is no way I can get to a doctor without going through her. That is why there is such a problem here.

Talk to your mom, and try to find a compromise. After all, she's only trying to do whats best for you, but she doenst know whats most effective for you since you are the one experiencing it. Let her know, give her feedback. On the first sign that your mood starts to go down again, tell her you really need help, and what is working and what isnt.

I'll try that, but going through her is very difficult =/

w00t · Post by **w00t** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:24 pm

I cant help you in anyway with your problem. But I have to say you got some balls to ask stuff like this in a big community like SRF. I think that deserves a nice piece of respect

Good luck

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:28 pm

w00t wrote:I cant help you in anyway with your problem. But I have to say you got some balls to ask stuff like this in a big community like SRF. I think that deserves a nice piece of respect

Good luck

lol thanks

Shadowman20818 · Post by **Shadowman20818** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:56 pm

w00t wrote:I cant help you in anyway with your problem. But I have to say you got some balls to ask stuff like this in a big community like SRF. I think that deserves a nice piece of respect

Good luck

No, he would have big giant balls if he posted this in GD, on OTL we're a couple lightyears ahead of them in terms of competency.

Xyzzzy · Post by **Xyzzzy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:57 pm

Shadowman20818 wrote:
w00t wrote:I cant help you in anyway with your problem. But I have to say you got some balls to ask stuff like this in a big community like SRF. I think that deserves a nice piece of respect

Good luck

No, he would have big giant balls if he posted this in GD, on OTL we're a couple lightyears ahead of them in terms of competency.

rofl how true that is

Luoma · Post by **Luoma** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:56 pm

nvm - >.>

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:41 pm

Well not sure about the bipolar but i did use to have that depression, your brave to actually come out and say it, most people are ignorant saying your depressed because you choose to be or some shit. But i had issues with depression that started in the 6th grade, til earlier this year i was on anti depressants which made me feel like shit honestly, medication isnt really the best thing but i think it kinda help balance a few things. Im off now and feel a lot better, have hope that with time it could fix itself. Hell my doctor said i would never get over it etc which pissed me off. The bi polar...idk though but have hope for it. Dont let it get the best of you.

FireJammerXR · Post by **FireJammerXR** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:46 pm

one big dose of Canadian health care and you'll be all better (if they ever take the time to get your medicine to you. It might take 30 years)

corkscrew · Post by **corkscrew** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:47 pm

i have a very little amount of bi-polarism, it doesnt happen often, once a week and its not crazy..but what i do is if i get mad, or sad or angry or upste i immediately go to my room and simply do something that i love, something that no one can take away from me, my guitar =) i justs it up there and it helps me a lot. Its a matter of you finding something that can take anger off of your mind, and while you do this activity, try to forget and make up for it =) works for me

Midori · Post by **Midori** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:12 pm

edit: nvm

anyways, besides medications, theres not much else you can do to supress it 24/7 (counsellings won't be anywhere close as effective as medications)

im bipolar too, the meds are working like a charm