BE or NOT to be blader when cap 90 come

[knubbka]

be what you wanna be, just have a fun with your char

I'm currently making cold/light/spear nuker, why? cuz I like it and its fun

[XCaosX]

Bladers are fun builds because you never die..... <333 its cool

They also look the coolest with 8d gear. <_<

they're the coolest with every deg xDD

[YangKang]

Don't be a blader. A sun +7 blade/shield can't kill anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7YEPSfsk4
@2:38 you can see a blader dancing around the guy but doesn't seem to stop him.

Err the guy had ice shield...the best thing he could do was trying to get them bleeding.. im a blader and im suprised how good a blader with new chains and a sun blade can do at this cap i mean when the enemy is bleeding its pretty easy to kill him and sun blade makes it even easier and IMO at 90 cap 1v1 is useless because you cant die anyways so if you cant kill why not be able to tankt like shit? Ill stay blader 4 life only build that fits me


Edit: Fly is also right with the pot system i mean you can see cleary in that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7YEPSfsk4 that the 1v1 of the glaivers will probaly never end.. if you lag just 1 second the enemy will have already potted his hp to 100% and thats KSRO where theres actually no lag compare that to our and we have a broken game

[Nyahgis]

80 cap: bow/spear nuker
90 cap: glavie/sword nuker
100 cap: blade/glavie. mostly blade tho.

thats how its gonna be im terms of the best builds. it all has to do with the pot system.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Although the pots did make a huge difference, it wasn't until the new skills defined hiearchies of well performing builds at the cap. Too explain: Before the new skill update, bows didn't rape at all... They could tank a lot, because of the XL pots, but because they had no way to fend for themselves they died. The only reason spear nukers did so well, was because they could survive hella longer. Without the new skills, glaivers didn't do much damage, and with the XL pots, spears nukers could pot it out easier.

We get the new skills, bows now have a 350% damage skill with 10 crit increase and stun, for sick damage and survivability, and knock back arrow, which severly reduces the pounding you'll get as you can keep your enemies off yourself. It's the only reason why bows are doing so amazing now. Spear nukers, don't do bad at all with their with their mana shields, and the high damage you can pull off with the sss/sse spamming combo, but they are still the first to fall in a job war, since glaivers can still tank the shit out them, and with the new skills deal out plenty of damage.

Next cap, we're still stuck with the XL pots, so what fly is suggesting is that now we can pot a smaller percent of our hp because our pool is much larger. [Like the 70 cap.] This would severly cut the tanking ability of a lot of builds. The ones to suffer most would be those with smaller hp pools, ie: ints, and in particular spear ints. Glaive will STILL do fine, like it has at every cap, and sword int will benefit a bit more because of their chains + now the kd's will have some effect. But at the same time, bows still have their knockback and high crit damage, spear ints still have their high damage, so a couple of stuns in their favor will drop plenty of builds, and bladers will still do fine with their tanking, and their kill ratio will increase in part of the shittier potting ratio on other builds. So, in all reality, the game play doesn't play out that much differently, we just die faster...

100cap we would have another size increase in pots, but with the new skills, you cannot know which comes out on top.

I'll read over this all later, I'm a bit high.

[Woohoo]

Yea blader suck, I hate it, they give u headaches and you cant kill anybody around your level unless they have NPC gears or that one rare moment with the high critical stab. I'm a level 74 blader with level 68 skill cap. Also I'm a dual weapon user with the sacrfice of ice. So yea i"m a blader/bow. I love bow, they KILL. Cant wait to get my bow to level 76 skill. So when somebody talk sh11 when I pvp them saying I cant kill them, I bust out my bow and kill that motherf.uker. haha

Anyways, yea blader suck but I'm sticking with them and bow even though I can max my force skill but who cares. The best of both world, long range and close range combat. Shoot them with my strong bow, antidevil, when they get close, KD that fu.ker with my blade, stab him and he's dead by now. lol

[m1]

To mosiac...
Dude u are funny. Ur words doesnt have sense and u telling me that my theory is wrong lol. Uhhhh if u are on babel server let me pvp with u lil rofl Than i will explain u all u need to know.
If u have something usable to say about bladers.... give us some good info... shoot, if u dont have pls dont post replays here anymore.
We dont like to discuss with ppl like u here coz its nonsensicaly...especially coz u didnt right. Thats all
Or u want me to tell like this : ok u are right, take a walk from this post.

[mosiac]

To mosiac...
Dude u are funny. Ur words doesnt have sense and u telling me that my theory is wrong lol. Uhhhh if u are on babel server let me pvp with u lil rofl Than i will explain u all u need to know.
If u have something usable to say about bladers.... give us some good info... shoot, if u dont have pls dont post replays here anymore.
We dont like to discuss with ppl like u here coz its nonsensicaly...especially coz u didnt right. Thats all
Or u want me to tell like this : ok u are right, take a walk from this post.

my words make perfect sense, unless you don't understand english. I've been saying from the first post, that bladers are made to tank. that's info that every future blader should know, because people shouldn't be making this build in thoughts that they will kill everything. that isn't what they are built for, and I know this because I have pvp'd many level80 fully farmed bladers, from +3 blades to sosun, and as i said before, only the sosun blades have killed me. me as in a pure int with a +5 set.
and sorry, i can't pvp you ; i'm on Aege.

[Rainigul]

On cSRO there is a some level 90 pure str bladers. They do weak damage...but there still cool looking.

Lol ^ ^

Csro is NOT where to get your info from though. Like 60% of their players are 1:1 hybrids.
The fact Csro has the best bot prevention make all their players suck ass, lol.

[MonstaH]

With the new chain and its status effects I could imagine a blader doing decent damage, at least enough to kill a few nukers. But since the blader's main aim is still to tank and not to kill (imo), it can just be a bit beneficial to your killing :>

[PrincessChei2x]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

[Yasakira]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

When people say blader they mean str characters..not int. Ints who use bicheon skills arent bladers, they are still nukers.

[Thunderbolt]

hi guys , i m new here n the forum
i have a small addittion for this topic :
1-a friend of mine sent me some screen shots of the new skills which have been added n the new cape n ksro ( lvl 100 ) so i saw i new series skill line has been added for the bicheon : this skill is a buff which decreases a specified amount of the shield's defense strength and decreases the blade's physical attack power for 2 minutes
book 1 : shield's defense 17% decrease - phy. attack 23 increase lvl 20
book 5 : shield's defense 83% decrease - phy attack 133 increase lvl 100
here the skill's pic:

for examlpe when u have a blade +7 it becomes +12 for 2 minutes , so if u used this skill and made a bleed + division status on ur enemy then kd and stabed him with book 3 and book 4 i think it will hurt like hell -- maybe i will lose amount of my shield's defense but atleast i still have the block's advantage
2- this game will depends on team work n other meaning n the future a 1 vs 1 pvp will not be interesting anymore cuz no one will kill the other whatever his build is it will be a team vs team ..... ima blader btw and that's my own openion nothing more

[Fly]

80 cap: bow/spear nuker
90 cap: glavie/sword nuker
100 cap: blade/glavie. mostly blade tho.

thats how its gonna be im terms of the best builds. it all has to do with the pot system.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Although the pots did make a huge difference, it wasn't until the new skills defined hiearchies of well performing builds at the cap. Too explain: Before the new skill update, bows didn't rape at all... They could tank a lot, because of the XL pots, but because they had no way to fend for themselves they died. The only reason spear nukers did so well, was because they could survive hella longer. Without the new skills, glaivers didn't do much damage, and with the XL pots, spears nukers could pot it out easier.

We get the new skills, bows now have a 350% damage skill with 10 crit increase and stun, for sick damage and survivability, and knock back arrow, which severly reduces the pounding you'll get as you can keep your enemies off yourself. It's the only reason why bows are doing so amazing now. Spear nukers, don't do bad at all with their with their mana shields, and the high damage you can pull off with the sss/sse spamming combo, but they are still the first to fall in a job war, since glaivers can still tank the shit out them, and with the new skills deal out plenty of damage.

Next cap, we're still stuck with the XL pots, so what fly is suggesting is that now we can pot a smaller percent of our hp because our pool is much larger. [Like the 70 cap.] This would severly cut the tanking ability of a lot of builds. The ones to suffer most would be those with smaller hp pools, ie: ints, and in particular spear ints. Glaive will STILL do fine, like it has at every cap, and sword int will benefit a bit more because of their chains + now the kd's will have some effect. But at the same time, bows still have their knockback and high crit damage, spear ints still have their high damage, so a couple of stuns in their favor will drop plenty of builds, and bladers will still do fine with their tanking, and their kill ratio will increase in part of the shittier potting ratio on other builds. So, in all reality, the game play doesn't play out that much differently, we just die faster...

100cap we would have another size increase in pots, but with the new skills, you cannot know which comes out on top.

I'll read over this all later, I'm a bit high.

bows owned before the new skills. they just own alot more now.

new pots are 110 cap.

joymax has a way of giving the build with the best pot advantage all there new skills at the same cap. 70 cap blades owned, they also got dubble stab. 80 cap bows owned, so they added more skills for them. 90 cap glavies will get new mars, and nukers will get new nukes. sword nukers will live long enough to need a 2nd nuke. 100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

joymax is really predicatable


and yes, the new 100 cap blade skill is awesome. switch out shield defence for the attack power of a glavier but keep your block. you end up doing great damage, blocking, and having you KDs and Stabs which outdamage a glaviers moves anyways.


edit: grrrr! you got to the new skills right before me!

[Haha07]

80 cap: bow/spear nuker
90 cap: glavie/sword nuker
100 cap: blade/glavie. mostly blade tho.

thats how its gonna be im terms of the best builds. it all has to do with the pot system.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one. Although the pots did make a huge difference, it wasn't until the new skills defined hiearchies of well performing builds at the cap. Too explain: Before the new skill update, bows didn't rape at all... They could tank a lot, because of the XL pots, but because they had no way to fend for themselves they died. The only reason spear nukers did so well, was because they could survive hella longer. Without the new skills, glaivers didn't do much damage, and with the XL pots, spears nukers could pot it out easier.

We get the new skills, bows now have a 350% damage skill with 10 crit increase and stun, for sick damage and survivability, and knock back arrow, which severly reduces the pounding you'll get as you can keep your enemies off yourself. It's the only reason why bows are doing so amazing now. Spear nukers, don't do bad at all with their with their mana shields, and the high damage you can pull off with the sss/sse spamming combo, but they are still the first to fall in a job war, since glaivers can still tank the shit out them, and with the new skills deal out plenty of damage.

Next cap, we're still stuck with the XL pots, so what fly is suggesting is that now we can pot a smaller percent of our hp because our pool is much larger. [Like the 70 cap.] This would severly cut the tanking ability of a lot of builds. The ones to suffer most would be those with smaller hp pools, ie: ints, and in particular spear ints. Glaive will STILL do fine, like it has at every cap, and sword int will benefit a bit more because of their chains + now the kd's will have some effect. But at the same time, bows still have their knockback and high crit damage, spear ints still have their high damage, so a couple of stuns in their favor will drop plenty of builds, and bladers will still do fine with their tanking, and their kill ratio will increase in part of the shittier potting ratio on other builds. So, in all reality, the game play doesn't play out that much differently, we just die faster...

100cap we would have another size increase in pots, but with the new skills, you cannot know which comes out on top.

I'll read over this all later, I'm a bit high.

bows owned before the new skills. they just own alot more now.

new pots are 110 cap.

joymax has a way of giving the build with the best pot advantage all there new skills at the same cap. 70 cap blades owned, they also got dubble stab. 80 cap bows owned, so they added more skills for them. 90 cap glavies will get new mars, and nukers will get new nukes. sword nukers will live long enough to need a 2nd nuke. 100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

joymax is really predicatable


and yes, the new 100 cap blade skill is awesome. switch out shield defence for the attack power of a glavier but keep your block. you end up doing great damage, blocking, and having you KDs and Stabs which outdamage a glaviers moves anyways.


edit: grrrr! you got to the new skills right before me!

damn im not even a blader and that sounds tight as hell! lol

[BuddahBless]

Don't be a blader. A sun +7 blade/shield can't kill anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7YEPSfsk4
@2:38 you can see a blader dancing around the guy but doesn't seem to stop him.

But I bet he's keepin that nuker annoyed with the constant kds. :p

[Thunderbolt]

joymax has a way of giving the build with the best pot advantage all there new skills at the same cap. 70 cap blades owned, they also got dubble stab. 80 cap bows owned, so they added more skills for them. 90 cap glavies will get new mars, and nukers will get new nukes. sword nukers will live long enough to need a 2nd nuke. 100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

joymax is really predicatable

i agree with that

edit: grrrr! you got to the new skills right before me!

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=62757

[peex]

Im gonna stay blader.. No matter what

[Nyte]

100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

If a bladers damage is going to be that incredable, wouldn't a PURE INT S/S's damage own like uber shit ?? ( while using that skill that is) and with Mana shield u can still tank quiet abit.

[reyboy]

i don't care what they talk shit about blader...
i love blader bcoz they are the coolest... blader are more realistic skills, i love it..

[Fly]

100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

If a bladers damage is going to be that incredable, wouldn't a PURE INT S/S's damage own like uber shit ?? ( while using that skill that is) and with Mana shield u can still tank quiet abit.

it only increases phy. damage. for a str that will make a huge difference. for a sword int that will turn his 4k knockdowns into 4.1k knockdowns while taking away his shields defence.

[Vindicator]

interesting theories fly...very interesting

[Nyte]

100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

If a bladers damage is going to be that incredable, wouldn't a PURE INT S/S's damage own like uber shit ?? ( while using that skill that is) and with Mana shield u can still tank quiet abit.

it only increases phy. damage. for a str that will make a huge difference. for a sword int that will turn his 4k knockdowns into 4.1k knockdowns while taking away his shields defence.

I c .. any idea if a glaiver can chuck on a shield then use it ?? lol guessing not but wouldn't hurt asking for some confirmation


I guess this skill would balance out Mana shield. For ints they got 2mins of mana shield for tanking and for strs u get 2mins of uber killing .. but yea .. overall it would benefit the pure str's more.

[PrincessChei2x]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

When people say blader they mean str characters..not int. Ints who use bicheon skills arent bladers, they are still nukers.

a nuker has fire on its build and not a bicheon user but spear type! besides, what do you call a bicheon skill user? the common term? is it Blader? I havent heard anyone called a pure int Bicheon as "sworder". Where is your common sense?

[[AoW]ForLife]

100 cap the pots will be at there limit, the build that lives the longest is also the strongest. the low damage of a blader does not matter anymore because even that low damage is able to drain hp faster then can be potted. --------> bladers will also get there new skill in the 100 cap. the one that swiches shield defence out for extra attack power. <-------- bladers will own the 100 cap. glaviers in full sos will come in 2nd. then comes the 110 cap and bows/spear nukers are back on top.

If a bladers damage is going to be that incredable, wouldn't a PURE INT S/S's damage own like uber shit ?? ( while using that skill that is) and with Mana shield u can still tank quiet abit.

it only increases phy. damage. for a str that will make a huge difference. for a sword int that will turn his 4k knockdowns into 4.1k knockdowns while taking away his shields defence.

Well looks to me like it's increasing dmg without a %, so wouldn't it add to either the wep's stats or the character's stats, making so (for example) and int's phys dmg would go from 500 to 633 while a str's would go from 1000 to 1133 (not counting the balances though, whatever they do). Hm, it would be a good test to find an absolute dmg formula.

[PrincessChei2x]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

When people say blader they mean str characters..not int. Ints who use bicheon skills arent bladers, they are still nukers.

a nuker has fire on its build and not a bicheon user but spear type! besides, what do you call a bicheon skill user? the common term? is it Blader? I havent heard anyone called a pure int Bicheon as "sworder". Where is your common sense?

A nuker that uses bicheon.. Is called a S/S nuker <33

S/s is int
Blader is str

how can you be called a nuker with out fire and Ice nukes??????

[sulfurio]

im a lvl 80 full str glavier with 7 gap ... no blader can kill me , end of story ( bladers cant kill ).
So if you like to tank , be blader . If you like to kill choose another build.
Anyway bladers in war : if they KD the guild cant hit the target and all is screwed..... well you can say these bladers are noob couse they dont know how to fight in group . Yes they are, but believe me there are too much noobs in this games so experienced bladers that know how to play and know their limits are too few.
You can see in this thread a lot of bladers scream : "bladers is the best!" "i can kill !" lol yea .... ALL NOOBS . bleah

P.S. my theory on why noob ppl like bladers : they got the shield and can tank more so they feel invincible , lot of times a blader pvp me and i couldnt kill him , he said " you see im stronger than you " and he even take my hp down the half ... ROFLL noob enough ???

[PrincessChei2x]

im a lvl 80 full str glavier with 7 gap ... no blader can kill me , end of story ( bladers cant kill ).
So if you like to tank , be blader . If you like to kill choose another build.
Anyway bladers in war : if they KD the guild cant hit the target and all is screwed..... well you can say these bladers are noob couse they dont know how to fight in group . Yes they are, but believe me there are too much noobs in this games so experienced bladers that know how to play and know their limits are too few.
You can see in this thread a lot of bladers scream : "bladers is the best!" "i can kill !" lol yea .... ALL NOOBS . bleah

P.S. my theory on why noob ppl like bladers : they got the shield and can tank more so they feel invincible , lot of times a blader pvp me and i couldnt kill him , he said " you see im stronger than you " and he even take my hp down the half ... ROFLL noob enough ???

Wait when 90 cap arrives. ull see the diffrence

[Yasakira]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

When people say blader they mean str characters..not int. Ints who use bicheon skills arent bladers, they are still nukers.

a nuker has fire on its build and not a bicheon user but spear type! besides, what do you call a bicheon skill user? the common term? is it Blader? I havent heard anyone called a pure int Bicheon as "sworder". Where is your common sense?

A nuker that uses bicheon.. Is called a S/S nuker <33

S/s is int
Blader is str

how can you be called a nuker with out fire and Ice nukes??????

My commen sense is right where it should be, in my head. Apparently yours is missing cause you have no idea what youre talking about. Ints=nukers. No matter what force trees they get they will have at least 1 nuke. Bladers are strength. They use BLADES. Nukers dont use blades. Get it?

[PrincessChei2x]

a blader can pawn anyone (except for europe coz I havent tested it with them yet) given the exact proper items vs an enemies exact perfect wepons... ^^

ill give you all a situation,

PURE INT, BICHEON (shield BR 23) +Ice shield , Light and Fire FULL SO/SUN Vs ( any build with SO/SUN items)

Can anyone picture it out? out of 5 attacks 3 would be blocked >_< not to mention the new skills @ cap 90(tripple/quad stabb >_< and status ailments)

When people say blader they mean str characters..not int. Ints who use bicheon skills arent bladers, they are still nukers.

a nuker has fire on its build and not a bicheon user but spear type! besides, what do you call a bicheon skill user? the common term? is it Blader? I havent heard anyone called a pure int Bicheon as "sworder". Where is your common sense?

A nuker that uses bicheon.. Is called a S/S nuker <33

S/s is int
Blader is str

how can you be called a nuker with out fire and Ice nukes??????

My commen sense is right where it should be, in my head. Apparently yours is missing cause you have no idea what youre talking about. Ints=nukers. No matter what force trees they get they will have at least 1 nuke. Bladers are strength. They use BLADES. Nukers dont use blades. Get it?

so what do you call a pure int in the 150 lvl gap? with only bicheon 140, lighning 100 and ice 60?

[Yasakira]

..a nuker. Light has nukes doesnt it? Think about it.