Why did Joymax make a 15 second pot delay for euro

SchlaueHure · Post by **SchlaueHure** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:42 am

its the mosy stupid idea ever becuase they cant tank, mabye a 5 second is better, you cant even tank a giant with a euro so rethink it and do something joymax

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:45 am

if you can't tank a giant then you suck,

don't whine about the counter balance to super powerfull attacks, they had to be fair

and tanking a giant isn't so hard with a warrior, a cleric can still do it, a rouge can too, wizzards and warlocks need to use hit and run but they still can kill it solo, now a bard doesn't have much chance to solo one on lvl, but deal with it, its just your lack of skill

SchlaueHure · Post by **SchlaueHure** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:47 am

hit and run is not worth it its a waste of time, have you ever had a level 6x euro before??? well there so hard to grind on party mobs becuase they hit big

Nihuja · Post by **Nihuja** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:57 am

jesus dont whine its your choice which race you want to play, QQ if theres a pot delay than its because of balancing out. Think about lvl 80 wizard with ultimate dmg and very low pot delay? would it be fair ?

phulshof · Post by **phulshof** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:00 am

SchlaueHure wrote:hit and run is not worth it its a waste of time, have you ever had a level 6x euro before??? well there so hard to grind on party mobs becuase they hit big

Non-sense. We are regularly joined by lvl 75+ Euro characters (scary, isn't it?), and they hold their own quite well against party niya generals. With all their buffs they take a lot less damage per hit than I do. Sure, without a cleric they have to pick their fights carefully (you won't see them fighting 3 of them at once as I often find myself doing), but if you add a cleric to the equation they are virtually unstoppable.

Woody93 · Post by **Woody93** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:02 am

Nihuja wrote:jesus dont whine its your choice which race you want to play, QQ if theres a pot delay than its because of balancing out. Think about lvl 80 wizard with ultimate dmg and very low pot delay? would it be fair ?

+1. Totaly true. If Wizard had a pot delay of 5 secs, you can't kill them anymore. They hit around 15k dmg, and the only thing you can do for beat them is get a good attack and HP. If they can block that attack with HP pots, all the other build are 'Game over'.

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:02 am

a warrior freind is always nice too, just get fence and pain quota on you thats 65% less damage taken

StacE · Post by **StacE** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:14 am

People with brains , it's a wonderful sight :*)

Pot delay is counter balance for their damage.

To solve the lack of potting , Joymax invented this wonderful system called an "Auto Share Party".

In an auto share party, euro's have a mixed group of classes, so that they can efficiently kill mobs! Crazy stuff.

As a lv67 cleric with 0str + 0int + 0elixers on my half NPC set, i can heal at Niya Generals dieing very little. (3.1k HP... Because of my gear , not my class >_>!!!)
Get a competant warrior (<3 Vapore) And i take like 700-1k dmg from party generals. 400/500 from normals.

I then heal without fear, because i take a stray hit from a general and my party immediatly takes the mod off me. (I can tank them though... with division.)

Euro require more thought than chinese. That is the reason why so many people are failing to play them in a manner that is deservant of their true acknowledgment. lol.

SchlaueHure · Post by **SchlaueHure** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:15 am

+1. Totaly true. If Wizard had a pot delay of 5 secs, you can't kill them anymore. They hit around 15k dmg, and the only thing you can do for beat them is get a good attack and HP. If they can block that attack with HP pots, all the other build are 'Game over'.

i agree with you there but for low levels a 15 sec is to long i strugle to tank 2 normal mobs so yeah

Hesseth · Post by **Hesseth** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:17 am

Funny you said that because I always wonder why China spell line had a healing set.. Othere then rezzing people. It takes long to cast a heal then it did for a pot to go off.

Woody93 · Post by **Woody93** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:20 am

SchlaueHure wrote:
+1. Totaly true. If Wizard had a pot delay of 5 secs, you can't kill them anymore. They hit around 15k dmg, and the only thing you can do for beat them is get a good attack and HP. If they can block that attack with HP pots, all the other build are 'Game over'.

i agree with you there but for low levels a 15 sec is to long i strugle to tank 2 normal mobs so yeah

True. I think you need to be lvl 40 before you can 1 Hit a mob of your own lvl. That's why the most Euro chars plvls i think.

Gokenzul · Post by **Gokenzul** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:25 am

The pot delays are in game for euros so they party with clerics and bards.

foudre · Post by **foudre** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:25 am

Hesseth wrote:Funny you said that because I always wonder why China spell line had a healing set.. Othere then rezzing people. It takes long to cast a heal then it did for a pot to go off.

completeness?
and it was good for a team play, healing saved you pots if you had some one else heal you, the theraopy was nice if you were theiving or trading, though now theives and hunters npc can attack you with noise i bet they can inside the ring, the vital points are good.

hmm low lvl euro, ya that was kind of annoying, maybe thats why they though before lvl 10 you need to be able to res yourself

IowU · Post by **IowU** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:26 am

heh why its weird for u that eu chars got 15sec delay?!

if they had potion delay like chinese game would be less balanced than its now... -.-"
imagine rogue with chinese pots (w/o desperate) with 20 crt daggers -.-
rogue at 80lvl has like 1.1k pdef and 18-19k hp -.-

i dont get it at all ppl here and on other forums says that they (most of them) grind solo <- thats not the point of euro chars, they are made for pt so basicly every1 miss all the fun of the game playing solo...

i had taxi till 72lvl but when we wanned to handgring a bit we made pt 2wiz/warlocks+2bards+cleric+warrior+me rogue (daggers+cb/cler)
it was pretty cool honestly we lvled much faster than on taxi...
i was puller wizzards were dpsers warrior was tanker and cler was supporter... seriously u miss all the fun of euro chars playing solo...

if u play solo its still same silk as it was 2yrs ago...

cin · Post by **cin** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:30 am

SchlaueHure wrote:
+1. Totaly true. If Wizard had a pot delay of 5 secs, you can't kill them anymore. They hit around 15k dmg, and the only thing you can do for beat them is get a good attack and HP. If they can block that attack with HP pots, all the other build are 'Game over'.

i agree with you there but for low levels a 15 sec is to long i strugle to tank 2 normal mobs so yeah

get a cleric

Driver · Post by **Driver** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:36 am

Was if the europeans weren't already incredible overpowered against chineses... more damage, LESS SPS.

Honestly, If you can do a char at least as good as a chinese blader, for example, without the fu!ck$#"ing 3xxk SPS to farm but something like only 30k, Why you should make a chinese blader over a european char?

Believe me, even with the pot delay, in my opinion they are still no advantage in create a new chinese char over a european char.

Website · Post by **satman83** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:58 am

Gokenzul wrote:The pot delays are in game for euros so they party with clerics and bards.

Well thats what it is....nothing to do with this balancing out bullshit that
some people have said here.
It was done so that people work together in a game where it already quite
and anit-social atmosphere...Hell even in euro its hard to get a party and
even when you do if you stop being a tank for a second people kick you.
Which is ironic considering that its an MMO, a game full of hundreds of
other players.

bahhh but am just ranting now.....long story short so that were forced to
play together...no other reason apart from making parties a must have
if you want to lvl fast and succesfully in an area with lots of monsters.

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:00 am

Vigors ftw! Hehe

But yeah, the real main reason why euro characters have a very long pot delay is to force them to focus on party grinding. Have you guys seen the insane Cleric Heals?

You can definitely solo but it's not as rewarding being in a shared pt. Heck, there are quite a lot of euro botters already actually...

roflcopter · Post by **roflcopter** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:03 am

SchlaueHure wrote:its the mosy stupid idea ever becuase they cant tank, mabye a 5 second is better, you cant even tank a giant with a euro so rethink it and do something joymax

are you being serious? do you not understand the dynamic of euro party play?

i suggest an SRO aptitude test for all new forum members and a mark out of 10 to show how much a a noob they are.

MonstaH · Post by **MonstaH** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:27 am

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LOL @ your name

Anal · Post by **Anal** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:05 pm

so there is a reason to have a healer

ltrbojevic · Post by **ltrbojevic** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:07 pm

It's there because euros are not meant for solo play, have you ever heard of a CLERIC?
First nobody knows how to play euros
Party system isn't used right, now people complain about pot delay?
Have you ever tried fighting a euro your lvl? They are hard enough to kill, but imagine them without pot delay, chinese would mean nothing

Again i say, PARTY PLAY >_<

aerial51 · Post by **aerial51** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:17 pm

SchlaueHure wrote:its the mosy stupid idea ever becuase they cant tank, mabye a 5 second is better, you cant even tank a giant with a euro so rethink it and do something joymax

Party play.

That's usually the POINT of mmorpgs.

But not Silkroad

donkyle · Post by **donkyle** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:41 pm

well i have a lvl 20 warlock and i can take down a party mob 1 lvl below me
cos they have a move that heals them plus they have stun and sleep
sleep is gud when an higher lvl is killing you in pvp cos they cant pot it off, they have to be hit to get it off

Oden · Post by **Oden** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:51 pm

At 68 (Wizard) I have been soloing for about 10-15 levels. I can 1-hit reg mobs up to 4 levels above me. I find it that I get more XP and faster XP when I solo on mobs I can 1 hit. Plus, being on a PT, the shared parties seem to slow down my XP.
But if you dont like the 15 sec delay, then you really need to not play a Euro char. If we had a 5 sec delay it would be so unbalanced. I can 1 hit lvl 70-75 chinese players as it is now. You need to make it a little fair now.

Post by **Ryoko** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:55 pm

You might think a 15s pot delay is lame

But maybe the chinese style of grinding and PVP is lame?

Pot till you win ? Like every couple seconds

I remember that. Spam your pot key with one finger while you click your skills.

You can fight anything. Just have pots -.-

hemagoku · Post by **hemagoku** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:56 pm

Oden wrote:At 68 (Wizard) I have been soloing for about 10-15 levels. I can 1-hit reg mobs up to 4 levels above me. I find it that I get more XP and faster XP when I solo on mobs I can 1 hit. Plus, being on a PT, the shared parties seem to slow down my XP.
But if you dont like the 15 sec delay, then you really need to not play a Euro char. If we had a 5 sec delay it would be so unbalanced. I can 1 hit lvl 70-75 chinese players as it is now. You need to make it a little fair now.

u have a sox or something ? ,cuz i can't one hit mobs my lvl

Oden · Post by **Oden** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:04 pm

hemagoku wrote:
Oden wrote:At 68 (Wizard) I have been soloing for about 10-15 levels. I can 1-hit reg mobs up to 4 levels above me. I find it that I get more XP and faster XP when I solo on mobs I can 1 hit. Plus, being on a PT, the shared parties seem to slow down my XP.
But if you dont like the 15 sec delay, then you really need to not play a Euro char. If we had a 5 sec delay it would be so unbalanced. I can 1 hit lvl 70-75 chinese players as it is now. You need to make it a little fair now.

u have a sox or something ? ,cuz i can't one hit mobs my lvl

Nope. Not one SoX Item. I even have pants lvl 52 on! I am a Wizard remember (pure int) and almost every piece has int 4 or 5 on it. I average 12k dmg to those devil eyes in Taklamakan.

hemagoku · Post by **hemagoku** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:13 pm

Oden wrote:
hemagoku wrote:
Oden wrote:At 68 (Wizard) I have been soloing for about 10-15 levels. I can 1-hit reg mobs up to 4 levels above me. I find it that I get more XP and faster XP when I solo on mobs I can 1 hit. Plus, being on a PT, the shared parties seem to slow down my XP.
But if you dont like the 15 sec delay, then you really need to not play a Euro char. If we had a 5 sec delay it would be so unbalanced. I can 1 hit lvl 70-75 chinese players as it is now. You need to make it a little fair now.

u have a sox or something ? ,cuz i can't one hit mobs my lvl

Nope. Not one SoX Item. I even have pants lvl 52 on! I am a Wizard remember (pure int) and almost every piece has int 4 or 5 on it. I average 12k dmg to those devil eyes in Taklamakan.

am 53 with with staff +2 and i can't 1 hit pennons ,but well i don't have int +s except 1 or 2 on one piece

123noob · Post by **123noob** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:31 pm

How long has Euro came out? and now you just started asking this question? lol

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