Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

[kevv]

wen ur L72+ PVP becomes very different to what it is at low lvl.

Ahhh I see............so it isn't standing outside the gates of DW wasting pots? ....oh please let me in on the secret don't make me wait another 30 levels......

I can see where jobbing, job wars, union/guild wars will be very different the higher your level but the basic stand outside city and hit each other till one dies is BORING and I can't see how much different it can be even at 72+ except you shouldn't die as much since there are few above you than below but even then......but that is simply my very own opinion.

Uhhh, it's very different. Everyone at level 77+ has fully pimped gear and weps with lots of blues, at low level not everyone has sox gear and such so it plays a bigger factor imo.

[Sethzor]

jadekiss would still be here if there wasnt some idiots who flamed him :/ so he could tell u all new things on this build ^^

[elnawawi]

[url]why am i going to handle more monsters when i will increase in level? they will increase in level too =p[/url]

Too easy .. you will have better buffs , better % snow shield , better +% on skills , new effects .. etc ..

with my crossbower i was killing monsters :

+4 lvl than me in lvl 2X
+7 lvl than me in lvl 3X
+14 lvl than me in lvl 40

And I think I can kill +18 lvl than me when I get degree 7 weapon ...

for a chinese bow you will have stun and KB after 73 and this will let you handle more monsters ... also you will have 350% in your berzerker arrow instead of 250% ... you will see it as you lvl up ..

[Doctor_MOS]

[url]why am i going to handle more monsters when i will increase in level? they will increase in level too =p[/url]

Too easy .. you will have better buffs , better % snow shield , better +% on skills , new effects .. etc ..

with my crossbower i was killing monsters :

+4 lvl than me in lvl 2X
+7 lvl than me in lvl 3X
+14 lvl than me in lvl 40

And I think I can kill +18 lvl than me when I get degree 7 weapon ...

for a chinese bow you will have stun and KB after 73 and this will let you handle more monsters ... also you will have 350% in your berzerker arrow instead of 250% ... you will see it as you lvl up ..

lol ur totally right =p

my badd

[Ice_Warrior]

wrath................ idiot............... wen ur L72+ a lot of ppl tend to have very very high blue clothes with +5 man blue or +7 max blue weapons and also ur only L47, glaives dnt even have the new SSS or SSE yet, and bows L72+ have stun and KB, bladers have bleed, do you have it at ur lvl NO! so dnt be cocky if u dnt kno, them skills makes a amssive difference in jobs and PVP then ur newbie stand outside, fight, die, bak in.

[WrathShielder]

wrath................ idiot............... wen ur L72+ a lot of ppl tend to have very very high blue clothes with +5 man blue or +7 max blue weapons and also ur only L47, glaives dnt even have the new SSS or SSE yet, and bows L72+ have stun and KB, bladers have bleed, do you have it at ur lvl NO! so dnt be cocky if u dnt kno, them skills makes a amssive difference in jobs and PVP then ur newbie stand outside, fight, die, bak in.

No not being cocky and having studied and read just about everything that comes out for SRO (I am married, old and have kids so I do this as my hobby) I am well aware of the skills (new and old). I have played across several servers with different builds and different levels in different unions and guilds. I just wanted to know how different it is going to be and I realize it won't be any different. Regardless of gear, pimping, blues, weps, skills.........pvping outside the city gates (not talking about jobbing, job wars, or guild/union wars) just the basic pvping .........it is still just standing around hitting each other until one dies or runs out of pots......i guess the difference lies in the fact that (at 7x+) if you happen to be pvping when there are no other pvpers your level you pretty much pwn everyone and once again...in my opinion that = boring. I am just stating my opinion on basic pvping (not jobbing/warring) I, me, myself find it boring at 3x,4x,5x and I assume it will be so (FOR ME) at 7x-8x.

But back to the topic at hand........I am back out grinding for levels and 70:70 is doing me very well in pve - 1 hit imbue with combo finish off on mobs 2-3 levels above (but like a lot of people - grinding legit - without a GT can be sloooowwwwww)

[Ice_Warrior]

well with ur opinion of just standing around and killing each other til one dies, u've justy basically sumamrised the WHOLE game, you can't do aynthing mre then stand around killnig things, if u find dat boring den u shudnt be playing this game.

[Doctor_MOS]

well with ur opinion of just standing around and killing each other til one dies, u've justy basically sumamrised the WHOLE game, you can't do aynthing mre then stand around killnig things, if u find dat boring den u shudnt be playing this game.

this isn't a flame war anymore,

i think you totally didn't understand him

[glavie]

Guys if you want to argue start a new thread.
This game is NOT JUST about pvp/killing the sooner people learn that the sooner they will stop AFK grinding.

Back on topic I am 63 with a 3 gap. I am stronger then ever. lvl60+4 crit 11 bow. With pimp protector set.

Now here is the important part. I have always had great gear and I always seemed to loose if i went against every other build with similar gear. PVP sucked.

Only recently (within the last 7 levels)I kill more than die. So all I can say is this build does get better with levels.

In pvp I have some new tactics. Open with strong bow> then strongbow lower book>light nuke>antidevil. then repeat.

If they aren't ice immune I follow up with a arrow combo + phantom.

Also try to phantom whenever they try to knock you down, hopefully it will screw up their stabs.

Generally pure int spear can kill me quickly, but I usually kill them first. Sometimes I need snow shield to tank a few nukes.

Pure int sword usually can't kill me very fast, I don't normally need snow shield. I still kill them pretty quick.

Glaviers I can usually tank without snow shield. And they die about as fast as pure int sword. The sword users have that block and knockdown that extends the fight.

Pure STR bladder is usually a pot war. With snow shield I can easily tank their ZERk.

Very hybrid int sword or spear seems to be able to kill me easily. I am not sure why. I will look farther into it.

If there are any pure STR, or STR hybrid bowers Farmed around my lvl on AEGE I would love to pvp. Cause honestly I have never met a bower that could kill me. Then again, there aren't many bowers period.


As pve goes just more of the same, not as fast as a nuker but close. Great build for killing NPC theives. Mindbow+lionshout+lightning nuke+arrow combo = better than nuker(more range with fast aggro attacks).

Currently I don't use bezerker arrow at all. If I am getting mobbed when grinding I use 2nd book lvl 1 ice nuke for the status effect, and it does about the same damage as a non crit bezerker arrow.

LOL
just figured I would tell you guys my experience.
If you are below lvl 40 and are thinking of giving up, don't. You get stronger as you level, and make sure you have snow shield.

[WrathShielder]

Guys if you want to argue start a new thread.
This game is NOT JUST about pvp/killing the sooner people learn that the sooner they will stop AFK grinding.

+1

Glad to here as I am coming up on a new level and as you say getting stronger each level (but then again I am not 0 gapped) so I need to catch my masteries/skills up to my level.

I too dropped beserk off the bar but with the new skills bar I sometimes add it back in if I find my self partying up with a group in aggro mobs that way if a tanker is getting mobbed by pt mobs I just pick the one in the middle and splash damage the bunch with beserk......problem is I didn't keep leveling it up so it has now become basically useless. I did the same with autumn dropping that back in my low 3x's.

Since I don't have the second book of strong yet, ...because I like your idea of second book, first book, ......... I sometimes will use second book, first book of anti on a giant (trying for a crit from one or the other)

Anyway, after playing a looooonggg time over on Troy with a glav, I can say I am hooked on my bow and since I switched servers and started reading all I could find in the forums on bow builds (this thread was in full swing).....the 70:70 build is the only bow build I have tried and I am not disappointed. ......although my Rogue keeps distracting me

[yamataka]

lol nice Gimpy......standing around outside city gates pvping and wasting pots is certainly a complete waste of time in my opinion

But, now consider jobbing and if you lump that in with pvp (which it certainly can be player versus player) then no that part of the game is not a waste, it is what sets SRO apart from other MMORPGs............and you need a decent build to compete in the Triangular Conflict.

Actually an INT bow works very nicely as a hunter with the Mind Bow series and multi arrow attacks plus Lion Shout ... basically you act as a nuker with a longer reach.

[Snappy]

Hahaha! Don't listen to Glavie Nub, he sux... not. Joking.

See that you finally took lion shout and works for you. It is definitely a fast skill that most players categorise it as rubbish, without looking at the speed of attack.

I am pretty sure that this build is for smacking INT based and in particular, STR glavie. STR or Hyb Str blader can still be a pain.

Strong bow is just for PvP and I am not sure if Anti follow up would have done the job better, rather than 2nd books of strong bow. Try Strong > Anti > Light Nuke > Shout repeat, if not ice immune, combo in between Strong/Anti, if you have the SP - try Autumn, its a Anti w/out crit AND fast.... a crit 11 bow is a biatch haha! *hint hint*

Also, I rotate imbues between fire and ice, you can do it with your light skills as well. Froze parry down can be fun.

Funny you mentioned Hybrids get to kill you. Maybe its the extra HP that they have to tank you, which you need to live off your crits.

I am in the 40s and 9 gap farming till 51..... work, family..... soooooo damn slow. But I sure enjoy farming in a 6D area (Myeongs) from lvl39 and everyone is with a big wolf and I have a puppy!

[Doctor_MOS]

Hahaha! Don't listen to Glavie Nub, he sux... not. Joking.

See that you finally took lion shout and works for you. It is definitely a fast skill that most players categorise it as rubbish, without looking at the speed of attack.

I am pretty sure that this build is for smacking INT based and in particular, STR glavie. STR or Hyb Str blader can still be a pain.

Strong bow is just for PvP and I am not sure if Anti follow up would have done the job better, rather than 2nd books of strong bow. Try Strong > Anti > Light Nuke > Shout repeat, if not ice immune, combo in between Strong/Anti, if you have the SP - try Autumn, its a Anti w/out crit AND fast.... a crit 11 bow is a biatch haha! *hint hint*

Also, I rotate imbues between fire and ice, you can do it with your light skills as well. Froze parry down can be fun.

Funny you mentioned Hybrids get to kill you. Maybe its the extra HP that they have to tank you, which you need to live off your crits.

I am in the 40s and 9 gap farming till 51..... work, family..... soooooo damn slow. But I sure enjoy farming in a 6D area (Myeongs) from lvl39 and everyone is with a big wolf and I have a puppy!

my main attack in pve is strong bow lol.

[glavie]

I am pretty sure that this build is for smacking INT based and in particular, STR glavie. STR or Hyb Str blader can still be a pain.

Strong bow is just for PvP and I am not sure if Anti follow up would have done the job better, rather than 2nd books of strong bow. Try Strong > Anti > Light Nuke > Shout repeat, if not ice immune, combo in between Strong/Anti, if you have the SP - try Autumn, its a Anti w/out crit AND fast.... a crit 11 bow is a biatch haha! *hint hint*

Yeah I am at a odd, level. I mean At 63 I can kill just about anyone lvl 60-63. I can kill lvl 64-66 with crap gear, though I usually have to use snow shield if they have over a +3 weapon.

So once I hit 64 I will get a new neckless+glove+rings+weapon. I do not know If I will be able to tank a 64+ that is fully farmed with a good weapon, but at least I should have a chance to kill them.

I used to use Strongbow>antidevil>light nuke, but 2 strong bows in a row work better. I know you would think it wouldn't work, but it does.

I wish I had the sp for autumn wind, but I already have 3 books, of lion shout, and 3 books, of mind bow. I can't decide if I should level them any higher. I am running out of sp fast.

[Ice_Warrior]

you guys should rly try using ur builds at L80 pvp and see the difference because every1 at that lvl has amazing gear with amazing weaps.

[Doctor_MOS]

you guys should rly try using ur builds at L80 pvp and see the difference because every1 at that lvl has amazing gear with amazing weaps.

lol np man i will reach it next year with my grind hours a week lol

*proberly 2*

[tomiotar]

My build is 1:1 not 70:70 and Im really happy with my results on pvp. Depending on my opponent I use last strong bow+devil arrow+second strong+antidevil mixing arrow combo when is needed. Between second book of strong bow(lvl70 skill) and antidevil(lvl79) I choose depending on my opponent, if he use garment I prefer antidevil and if he use armor or prot I prefer second strong bow (crits or regular damage depending on the situation). With the snow shield on I was able to tank those 2 minute a full farmed glavier with sun+9, but I died almost inmeditaly after it was over .

I think that this build is better to kill str than int because with hybrids ints (both spear and ss) is when I have more problems and Im even considering change to garment. Against glaviers is tipically a pot war if he has ice, I can kill them without risking my life if they choose pacheon for attack rating and I get owned only if my oponent has better gear and weapon than me (on 1 vs 1 against glaviers, Ive loose only agaisnt a 72+8 and suns since I finish farming, and Ive killed several +5 +7 and one sun+7 with my 72+5 ^^). Against hybrids int is much more a matter of luck because we both hurt bad each other and very frequently the fight is determined for the snow shield that runout first (if someone cast it for a previuos fights and he start to fight again, he will have less snow shield time and he will die). Against pure str archer we both can make a pot fight, if you add the arrow combo always before the strong skills. Just 1 who has force kill me twice because he put me division status before I even notice that he was trying to fight me. But Im very proud about killing 2 suns+5 pure str archers that they try to kill me directly using their strong skills without using arrow combo to have time to pot. The fights against them were finish with a strong bow crit on first one (dual bow/glavie, so no ice) 12,5k and with a 12k on the second one (he has ice but he didnt use the snow shield but I use it both times) both in garments. Those crits arnt bad for a hybrid with 72+5 .

That I have to said about crits is that this builds has a lot of dispersion on values, because on a same fight Ive crit with same skill 9k (awfull crit ) and later 12k (nice shot ). I think that compared against pure str they are much more regular on their shots, but I didnt find anyone who crit harder on me that I crit on them with 72+5/+7 bows (thats why I want good pure str bows test their crits with 72+5 to make a good comparison).

[elnawawi]

That I have to said about crits is that this builds has a lot of dispersion on values, because on a same fight Ive crit with same skill 9k (awfull crit ) and later 12k (nice shot ). I think that compared against pure str they are much more regular on their shots, but I didnt find anyone who crit harder on me that I crit on them with 72+5/+7 bows (thats why I want good pure str bows test their crits with 72+5 to make a good comparison).

Man .. even sun +11 bow can't crit that hard enough on you ( if he have no force) .. you wear protector and still have 85% phy balance .. you phy def is much better than him .. and it's easy to know .. just ask them about his phy def and comapre with yours .. you have cold mastery too (what lvl of it ? ) , it give better phy def ..

Your problem is INT builds .. pure int may kill you too fast but you will kill him faster and faster .. so hybirds can easily own you .. they have good HP or shield and they hit you hard too ..

Your problem with INT come from 1:1 build for bow .. 1:1 give you more phy balance you will hit less than 80:85 and your crit still not the great you imagine .. your mag def is lower than 80:80 ..

And about snow shield .. tell me what % snow shield you use ? is that 35% ?

[Doctor_MOS]

That I have to said about crits is that this builds has a lot of dispersion on values, because on a same fight Ive crit with same skill 9k (awfull crit ) and later 12k (nice shot ). I think that compared against pure str they are much more regular on their shots, but I didnt find anyone who crit harder on me that I crit on them with 72+5/+7 bows (thats why I want good pure str bows test their crits with 72+5 to make a good comparison).

Man .. even sun +11 bow can't crit that hard enough on you ( if he have no force) .. you wear protector and still have 85% phy balance .. you phy def is much better than him .. and it's easy to know .. just ask them about his phy def and comapre with yours .. you have cold mastery too (what lvl of it ? ) , it give better phy def ..

Your problem is INT builds .. pure int may kill you too fast but you will kill him faster and faster .. so hybirds can easily own you .. they have good HP or shield and they hit you hard too ..

Your problem with INT come from 1:1 build for bow .. 1:1 give you more phy balance you will hit less than 80:85 and your crit still not the great you imagine .. your mag def is lower than 80:80 ..

And about snow shield .. tell me what % snow shield you use ? is that 35% ?

err, your working too on a 1:1 build, wouldn't you have the same problems lol..........

[elnawawi]

err, your working too on a 1:1 build, wouldn't you have the same problems lol..........

Yeah I work on 1:1 glavier/spear .. not bow ...

1- Hueksal have more 2 K HP than bow in 80 ..

2- Hueksal Have an emergancy super mag def skill for 15 sec .. bow haven't

3-Hueksal skills that can stop other charecter in pvp more than a bow and early before him .. I get my stun at lvl 14 , my KB in lvl 41 , and when bow have his stun/KB I will have dull !!!!

Dull is my elite weapon against all builds .. I can make them play with slow motion for 20 sec and they can't cure with normal universal pills ..

Don't forget that my stun chance with soul spear empror is better than strong bow .. And my Ghost spear KB move is a MAIN attack that do heavy damge not a secondray attack like bow combo ..

My only problem is the range a nuker have against me but light 90 will not let him go far and nuke me ..

And against 1:2 hybrid spear using spear skills I still don't know who is better ... I have more HP and he have more damge ..

And after all .. even my build have some problems against Hybrid INT , what's the problem every build have it's advantages and disadvantages .. tell me about a build don't have problem against another build ?!

I can accept die against hybrids for being 1:1 to let me tank and lure all monsters around me and kill them together .. that my build .. i need more HP and phy def to do that .. but what's the point of bower to have more STR with 1:1 ?? hybrid bow is a sniper and he want to be 80:85 phy:mag to do the best damge and kill so fast and he can survive too with large % snow shield .. but why make the bow 85:79 phy:mag ??!!!! what's the advantages he have with this balance ? ..

look at this :

With the snow shield on I was able to tank those 2 minute a full farmed glavier with sun+9, but I died almost inmeditaly after it was over .

80:85 build should kill the glavier within these 2 minutes .. you still tank these 2 minutes as you have better snow shield if you have more MP ..
If 1:1 BOW can't survive without snow shield why he reduce mag attack he need to kill faster ??

The man who started this Hybrid bow and tested a lot of balances found that 70:70 later (80:85) is best balance for bow .. and it's more logical ..

Tell me if you found any wrong thing in my post ..

[MrFudge]

what kinda noob pvps only when they have mana shield on?

grow some balls.

[Ice_Warrior]

i do.............. and i got sum big ass balls

[tomiotar]

what kinda noob pvps only when they have mana shield on?

grow some balls.

If I have it ready no doubts that I will use it at right moment. I dont use it always and many times I wait until the other cast it first and tank a bit more, so I can finish the fight with shield on menwhile the other is relax thinking that Im doing low damage due his snow shield. Snow shield is one of best skill of the game and can be use for every build and people that dont use it are the first on die. You will never see me on pvp running to safe zone if my snow shield is off, IMO thats is cheat because the cooldwon time is a part of the skill that you have to accept it. If Im jobbing I run to safe zone until i can use it again, if I see that Im getting banged, but I stay fighting if it is 1vs1.

[fadent]

This build is very interesting to me..

70:70 will be good but its gonan take money
upgrading ur armor and weapons.. for low levels

Id say this build you have created is good but im not sure.
80:80 is still the best build..

This is a good build in my opinion but i dont think many ppl will use it

[kevv]

This build is very interesting to me..

70:70 will be good but its gonan take money
80:80 is still the best build..

Isn't 70:70 and 80:80 the same thing? 70:70 is the naked balance and with blues you get 80:80.

[TerenceChill]

i'm very happy with this build, i have a lvl70 now with 79/84 and he is doing very well. the damage output is awesome and with the mana shield i can tank a lot. i win almost every pvp against people in my level and i cant wait to get my 72 bow and the new skills. some people didnt even believed my lvl after pvp, so i had to join their party

[glavie]

The man who started this Hybrid bow and tested a lot of balances found that 70:70 later (80:85) is best balance for bow .. and it's more logical ..

Tell me if you found any wrong thing in my post ..

The creator of this thread did not test anything before he came up with 70:70. In fact he doesn't even have close to a high level bower.

All he really did was realize that bow can be a good hybrid weapon and that Wind (a 80:80 bow) on my server was a god at unique killing. Who didn't suck at pvp.


Mr FUDGE
Can any build survive a fully farmed sosun opponent without a matching sun set? or Snow shield?

I tanked a sosun+11 52 blade in the hands of TheNutter. We went at it for 2 min. Then he crit me on a stab for 6k. I am dam proud i survived 2min. I don't think many people on my server can say the same.

So are you saying I have no balls, by not dying sooner? I shouldn't have used the skills silkroad gave me??

[Jadekiss]

jadekiss would still be here if there wasnt some idiots who flamed him :/ so he could tell u all new things on this build ^^

Oh well im still here at SRF but im not playing SRO recently right now !
SO what do you want to know ?

BTW im impressed that this thread is still going arround o.O

[torinchibi]

....I had no patience to read all the pages, so I read first and last. Since I don't know if anyone said this, I am saying it. As a hybrid build, any pure str with protectors will probably win, simply because you are dividing the damages in 2 and if a person has good defense for both types, they will be taking on less damage. If 70:70 becomes a popular bow build more smart people will simply switch over to protectors if they don't think they can take the damage, so in the end a pure STR will end up winning, and pure int may also win by switching. Just as you don't see too many int vs int fights because of the whole 1-2 hit death issue since they both wear armor, the same way wearing armor against an int hybrd, which if you actually noticed stat distribution is what 70:70 is, will get you killed faster.

And in the end, armor, or not, you will be dead if you PvP any Euro with equal equips and gap when fully farmed.

[Sethzor]

jadekiss would still be here if there wasnt some idiots who flamed him :/ so he could tell u all new things on this build ^^

Oh well im still here at SRF but im not playing SRO recently right now !
SO what do you want to know ?

BTW im impressed that this thread is still going arround o.O

same with me :p

i dont want to know anything ^^ i dont have time to make this build lol :p