fire not good?

dcninja · Post by **dcninja** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:27 pm

i was reading somewhere on the forums that fire sucks now? why is this? was this just that person's opinion?

Hasbin · Post by **Hasbin** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:32 pm

You'd better believe him. Ice FTW :twisted:

Glavie's Girl · Post by **Glavie's Girl** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:46 pm

Fire is great for all builds, it lets you become immune to ice and other effects needed for grinding like zombie! And sense ints are using ice more ice imbue will show up, being immune will be important.

Fire gives you a slightly stronger imbue.

Fire lets you see those pesky wizard/rogue's who go invisable while jobbing/pvping.

Fire also gives nukers strong nukes.

The fire passive adds %'s onto your phy damage.

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Ice gives pure ints the abitlity to tank strs

Ice gives phy defense againts strs

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So fire sucks how?

Peety · Post by **Peety** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:53 pm

fire is very good at the 80 cap, but at the 90 cap, fire nukes are dead while the ice nukes become your primary nukes with the lightning...

if you get fire at 90 cap, youll have 30 ice (useless), really weak nukes, and no mana shield.

ice > fire 90 cap =)

(this is for nukers only)

Glavie's Girl · Post by **Glavie's Girl** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:57 pm

But we are still at 80 cap. :cry:

So from 80 to 90 fire nuke does no damage? Ints dont still get an str point per lvl? adding blues to equips will give lvl 90 pure ints will give ints like 13k hp.

Mana sheild at lvl 30 gives you like what 30%, that is enough to take the bite out of any str crit.

WhiteFalcon · Post by **WhiteFalcon** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:07 pm

its an opinion. Fire hasn't changed.

Peety · Post by **Peety** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:15 pm

Im guessing the things about fire hes been hearing are from speculators at the 90 cap...

ChrisTheHun · Post by **ChrisTheHun** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:19 pm

I don't think fire sucks, i heard that lvl 83 fire nuke is as stong as lvl 90 ice nuke :!:

Glavie's Girl · Post by **Glavie's Girl** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:27 pm

Since we only have 80 cap, arent you being a speculator?

Its hard to judge what are good skills unless you can see numbers. Doing the whole she said, he said thing gets us no where.

What would be logical is to ask capped unionmates to pvp each other and see the damages each are dealing. Ideal would be someone with maxed nukes in all three magics and hit an str a few times. But it will be hard to find someone with all three trees maxed.

Timujin · Post by **Timujin** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:54 pm

I use fire with my nuker and its good for the imbues and the elemental adds the burnt thing and adds massive damage too, but thats my opinion...

Embodiment · Post by **Embodiment** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:04 pm

everyone..always flames on fire for some reason...o_0 fire is important...ice is important *now*, the only useless one is lighting...never heard anyone flame on light lol I guess everyone likes to run away.

destructionmama · Post by **destructionmama** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:34 pm

LOL Embodiment

you always make me feel like I make the right choice using fire LOL

elnawawi · Post by **elnawawi** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:56 am

dcninja wrote:i was reading somewhere on the forums that fire sucks now? why is this? was this just that person's opinion?

None of all masteries sux at all .. that's just how to make a good build mixing them together ...

People now speak about lvl 90 cap ...
see how lvl 90 fire will not help a lot ..

A pure INT nuker , what's the masteries he should have at 90 ?

is that 90 fire , 90 light , 90 wepon , 30 cold ?
that's sux .. 30 cold will not do anything for him .. no def .. no good mana shield .. can't slow enemies .. even bladers will kill him ..

So people now say go 90 light , 90 cold , 90 wepon , 30 fire ..
90 cold will give you perfect phy def and mana shield and you can slow people and freze them .. you will stay alive enough time to kill with your light .. light have less damge but not weak .. you are pure int already and deal huge damge with even cold ..
you can say that cold 90 is for euro charecters at main .. what's the best thing you can do against a rouge/wizard/cleric ? they will 1~2 hit you even you are s/s with sun gear and shield while you loading your nuke .. 90 fire will not let you survive .. it have more phy damge .. more mag def .. you don't need the first and have tons of the second ... the best thing is to cold and slow down then kill euro ..

But IMO a nuker might have 90 fire easily .. just go 90 cold , 90 light, 90 fire, 30 weapon ..
90 cold will give phy def better than 90 spear passive HP
90 fire will give mag def better than 90 spear passive HP

you don't need your stun and KB to stop the enemy as you can tank like crazy with 90 cold .. you will stop the enemies with cold too ..
it need you to think well and find that 90 fire don't sux if you know what to do ..

For a pure str build .. 90 fire is the most important .. he need mag def and fire have mag def .. he need phy attack and fire have phy attack .. a pure str glavier have too low MP to use snow shield or his mana will drop down and he stop act as there is no MP .. his max shield he can use will be 20% .. 20 mana shield is lvl 30 cold .. and he don't need more than this .. that's the point ..

Hybidi will have bigger trouble in lvl 90 cap .. they always need a lot of masteries and skills .. you can't say : don't use weapon for a spear hybrid .. also 80:80 bow can't have all masteries maxed and he should think deeper about what he should have ..
I think that hybird will go better if :
90 light, 90 wepon , 60 cold , 60 fire (or 61 fire , 89 light) ..

Fire is important and light is important .. but maxing light will give you more damge (from the mag attack buff) will cover the few back steps light damge (imbue and nuke) have ..

hope that helps you

darkmaster21 · Post by **darkmaster21** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:05 am

Well my guild leader is level 90 fully farmed and he has Ice, Lightening, Fire all at lvl 90 (he has soul fire force at level 13!! which is maxed) so thats the best build. Then when the 100 cap comes (soon to cSRO) he will probably keep them the exact same for 100, 100, 100 = 300 mastery

muyo · Post by **muyo** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:27 am

mmm..he has it at level 90!!! u mean now the cap is 90?

Logik · Post by **Logik** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:59 am

but when would isro get lvl 90 cap?

i dont think we will get it this year cuz we just got euro and if they release 90cap there wont be alot of euros most NORMAL people that play euros are like lvl 30-50 by now with no powerlvl and yes theres already lvl 80 euros but those might have powerlvl so to the normal player wont even play to lvl80...

they will get way behind of the china race so i think they'll wait for 5-6 months more till they release 90 cap i think :oops:

and i just hit lvl79 and im thinking on farming i just need like 90ksp till im max and if we still have time till 90 comes ill prob end up with

80bicheon 80ice 60light 80 fire

so i hope they dont release 90 cap soon cuz then i will have to delvl masteries again...

(dam long post lol )

Yasha · Post by **Yasha** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:58 am

Best thing to do is to farm 1mil+ sp to get all what you need...

... but how? :banghead:

dakocemenih · Post by **dakocemenih** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:55 am

fire is good because it's additional damage, and its DoT is nothing when pvp, since pill can take it down less then a minute...

ice is not good in additional damage, but it's effect frozen and frost bite is awesome (stop talking about ice immune, not everyone has ice immune, believe me) yeahahahahahahah!!!

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someone said combustion(fire skill) is good while jobbing.... o rly??? 10m is nothing since rogue can take u down from far away, and u should know, wizard's trap is not easy to detect.... :banghead:

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