Nukers vs Pure str (can Nukers ever win)

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:46 pm

Hey guys, i really need help. Im building a light/fire nuker on Greece. I want to do lots of damage but at the same to win against pure str in pvp. I want to know what magical balance and what skills i need to last long enough to beat a pure str in pvp. Plz help me.

pureHATE · Post by **pureHATE** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:53 pm

whats ur lvl at the moment...?

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:43 pm

lvl16 sp farming 30k

ginebra · Post by **ginebra** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:44 am

dont go pure int nuker coz if u do u will never have a chance against pure str in pvp unless they are 10 levels below u

i suggest u go int based hybrid 2:1. ur nukes will still pack a punch plus u get the extra hp to survive 1 crit from a fire glaive. btw, when i say 2:1 int hybrid.. it doesnt mean u add 2 to int and 1 to str every level. i am talking about the stat ratio. try to keep ur str half as high as your int. u will probably get 85% magic so ur nuke's damage will be weaker by as much as 20-25% but u will have 40-50% more hp

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:01 am

Im will start off pure int till lvl 40+ so that i can lvl quickly, and then at lvl 40 add points into str till i have 2:1 hybrid. What skills are needed to help a nuker survive. does a Nuker need the force heal skills. plz write bak

Brutish1 · Post by **Brutish1** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:50 pm

Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall. :shock:

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:00 pm

Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:32 pm

XMoshe wrote:
Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid

how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.

It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.

Prowess_II · Post by **Prowess_II** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:38 pm

Apache wrote:Hey guys, i really need help. Im building a light/fire nuker on Greece. I want to do lots of damage but at the same to win against pure str in pvp. I want to know what magical balance and what skills i need to last long enough to beat a pure str in pvp. Plz help me.

If you are talking about 1v1, nukers will not win. Nukers are not meant to win against 1v1, they are meant for group pvp. IMO, reasons of nukers being good at group pvp is that a few nukes and pure str are gone. You might have a chance against STR bladers or bows(not quite sure), but glaves, if they crit you, your basically dead.

Hybrid is ok I guess, but your going to do less damage, and higher damage is important for nukers. You will last longer in a fight against a pure str because of more hp, but it'll even take longer for you to kill them.

Misaklo · Post by **Misaklo** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:30 pm

not a bow. they crit almost as hard a glaive with anti-devil not to mention huge crit increase. and a strongbow crit can surpass nukes..... but it still suks in PvP

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:41 pm

Devotia wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid

how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.

It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.

OR, the Pure Str will step out of your range and wait for you to lower ur Crystal Wall.

The key to Pure Int PvP is to attack the Pure Str from behind, and before they can react. Nuke fast, hard, and discreetly.

Misaklo · Post by **Misaklo** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:46 pm

how exactly is a fireball or bolt of lighting discreet? lol

BlueFeather · Post by **BlueFeather** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:07 am

Crystal Wall/Fire Tower ----> really is quite useless

The ONLY practical use for these skills would be a nuker against another nuker of equivalent level (ie: able to one nuke each other). And it also matters on different situations and its up to the player to know how to use it. If you are neither a nuker or practical thinker, dont get these skills.

They are pointless for a str user due to the combos that will demolish the wall, and then you.

I have tested these out. The only practicaly use is---> if you expect an oppenent will try to nuke you, then (if you are fast enough) cast the wall to negate their first attack ---> which leads them open for an attack.

But. this then comes out as situation based only. There are many factors that can pretty much end up your death for a nuker who uses these 'walls'. They are useless when you are running around looking to smack someone in the head --(the speed that you cast is just too slow IMO). Useless against a nuker you cannont 1 hit (someone of a higher level) who would just second nuke you once the wall is down.

Pretty much, the fact that it has all these factors makes it non-practical.

Monition · Post by **Monition** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:30 am

blue ur such a hater

im going firewall whether u like it or not! muahaha

specialedd · Post by **specialedd** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:39 am

I have heard that reinforement increases your damage.(i heard dont flame me).
Armor dosnt help you THAT much in a fight with me(full str fire glavie) because i still 2 shot them usualy, BUT if you go garment and have a good sheild you should do about 1000 to 2000 more dmg on a nuke (reinforcement of garment i realy high in magic) meaning if u block one time the first nuke drops them below half by the time they get to u and u block even just one of the souls spear soul hits then take a ghost spear u should be able to get off your second nuke killing them.

(dont start an argument over the reinforcements, i have been hit by 63 nukers in armor for 4k and a 61 nuker for 6k, just my observations.)

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:46 am

ShizKnight wrote:OR, the Pure Str will step out of your range and wait for you to lower ur Crystal Wall.

If the person fighting you runs away, and refuses to fight you, I count that as a win.

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:00 am

i call that a stalemate.

you could easily turn it around and call the nuker a pansy for hiding behind ice.

Monition wrote:blue ur such a hater

im going firewall whether u like it or not! muahaha

lol testing it out was fun.

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:09 am

This is great information people. So it sounds like i am better going pure int and using nukes to finish players off. I have not seen many group pvp other than some korean videos. The highest level i have reached is 25. Are there alot more pvp at higher levels? For example guild wars? Also i was wondering, if the heusukal tree giving you the hp passive and if i used the cold imbue and frost nova wind. Would this slow the enemy down enough for me to get all of my nukes and lion shouts to kill a pure str or a heavy str build. What i am trying to do here is find a NEW build that can beat a pure str.

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:30 am

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2966812927208668521&q=silkroad+online

Ice/Light nukers
Str blader vs Lightning nuke and Lion shout
Complete stalemate until the nuker gets gangbanged

RaiKiRii · Post by **RaiKiRii** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:04 am

Apache wrote:video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2966812927208668521&q=silkroad+online

Ice/Light nukers
Str blader vs Lightning nuke and Lion shout
Complete stalemate until the nuker gets gangbanged

yea if i was attacked by chains it'd be the same way

thats a str blader that doesn't know how to pvp though. if he used knockdown successfully, it would be over.

in order for the nuker to win, the shield has to miss block 2x in a roll.

FireStorm · Post by **FireStorm** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:50 pm

Nukers lvl faster. Have more money and stuff like that.
Lets see a str blader 5 lvls below me with crappy weapon kill my Nuker with SOS Spear

Nuker int spear - constant dmg - constant defense
Nuker int sword + shield - constant dmg - lucky def (block)
Str glaive - lucky dmg (crit) - constant defense
Str blader - lucky dmg (crit) - lucky def (block)

so the blader is a matter of luck - you have to block and make a crit to kill effectively :-)

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:06 pm

I agree, i dont have anythng against pure str, but i dont like following what most people do, i like to have my own original build. A nuker is a common build but im making it a pvp nuker. ANOTHER really important thing is, after clicking alchemy, along the top of the box there is 4 options to choose from. I was wondering if there was a more efficient way to upgrade a weapon. I have also seen a screenshot of a player with elixers and money on the floor, with a red box around it. i wonder if this is a special way to plus a weapon by sacrificing some gold and other items. Plz keep writing.

FireStorm · Post by **FireStorm** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:14 pm

Apache don't go off topic.
The only 2 ways to enhance alchemy are:
Lucky powder.
Lucky items.

Apache · Post by **Apache** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:30 pm

Ok well i wasnt sure. So as the majority of the vote tells me that Nukers get owned on 1vs1 pvp. Then there is no point trying to make the nuker in any way defensive as it will be best used in group pvp. Fire nuke will make it powerful against mobs without getting all of them after me. And lightning will give me the lion shouts and teleport to move away from the front lines of combat fast. Using a spear will make the nukes hit harder and the hp passive is a must. Maybe using the force skill could make my nukes do even more damage as it has the mp passive and could the force heal be used in combat? I would still like to know if there is many group pvp on our servers or is this a korean thing?

FireStorm · Post by **FireStorm** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:36 pm

You should have lightning and fire at max. Maybe some force. This is the best option for Nuker.

woutR · Post by **woutR** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:48 pm

Devotia wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
Brutish1 wrote:Or go light/ice and nuke from inside the christal wall.

sorry but that is just stupid

how so? It gives you a HUGE chunk of HP, and completely negates the first hit against you. All your attacks are ranged, so the only thing that will give you trouble is a bower. And even with all of this you can tele away if your shield goes down, and recast. Not to mention it'll save a LOT of trouble PvE.

It might not be as damaging as a light/fire, but it's quite a bit more resilient. Just because it's different doesn't mean its stupid.

this so called huge chunk of hp doesn't have any defense and therefor will go down in 1-2 hits , useless

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:22 pm

I can hit 6k on your 'crystal wall' without zerk or crit.

Enjoi · Post by **Enjoi** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:04 am

If you wish to be a nuke, Dont go str!

microcosm · Post by **microcosm** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:12 am

Enjoi wrote:If you wish to be a nuke, Dont go str!

LOL that was random..
anyway yea nukers are for group pvp,
do: light nuke, shout, spear throw, soul spear and if you're not dead then you might actually win..or not..lol
a sorta off topic question: are ice light nukers better than fire light nukers?
in terms of damage, pvp, sp needed, etc.

Ice771x · Post by **Ice771x** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:47 am

im a 16 and i would like to know if that whole 2:1 int hybrid thing is too late for me to do.

and im also interested in the ice light vs fire light nukers

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