Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[dom]

Fred Hoyle isn't credible...and i guess his research is worthless....go read the book and stop whining if your that interested you'll it up for yourself instead of taking my word or it anyway....didn't you say you take information as a given and always research it yourself so stop being a twat and go do what you claim to do best....

Fred Hoyle = the entire scientific community.

I don't need to research it, you're the one stating the fact that the majority of the scientific community don't believe in the big bang, i've never heard of this and would like you to cite the place you heard this since I cannot find it.

[XemnasXD]

Majority was a...hyperbole what i should have said was the big bang theory isn't accepted by all scientists, physicist, astronomers, and cosmologist today because it has a large amount of flaw and pot holes.

you don't even read what i type do you...and the book i listed was my source...so...yeah are you done

[dom]

Majority was a...hyperbole what i should have said was the big bang theory isn't accepted by all scientists, physicist, astronomers, and cosmologist today because it has a large amount of flaw and pot holes.

you don't even read what i type do you...and the book i listed was my source...so...yeah are you done

Fred Hoyle = the entire scientific community.

[XemnasXD]

Majority was a...hyperbole what i should have said was the big bang theory isn't accepted by all scientists, physicist, astronomers, and cosmologist today because it has a large amount of flaw and pot holes.

you don't even read what i type do you...and the book i listed was my source...so...yeah are you done

Fred Hoyle = the entire scientific community.

don't see where your going with this....

[nicko9000]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

In the bible, it says you must love your enemies.

Jesus did that, and look what happened to him

[dom]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

In the bible, it says you must love your enemies.

Jesus did that, and look what happened to him

Salvation? Dying and spending eternity next to God in heaven. Also, having his story etched in the thoughts of billions, embedding them with christian values and ultimately bringing good to our world?

[Barotix]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

In the bible, it says you must love your enemies.

Jesus did that, and look what happened to him

Salvation? Dying and spending eternity next to God in heaven. Also, having his story etched in the thoughts of billions, embedding them with christian values and ultimately bringing good to our world?

well said

[Rainigul]

>> i feel like an idiot now arguing with a 13 year old.....i just assumed raingul was a dumb 17-19 year old....what waste of thread space i took up like 2 pages with that crap if a mod reads this plz delete it all im embarassed for myself

Do you feel like an idiot because you weren't doing too well?

I know I sound like an ass, but really, what does age have to matter?
If anything, it makes me better.

[Silver0]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

b/c if you read ur history as a career jesus was a tax collector when he was 18 something till 2x then he revolted against the romans
and revolt = death


thats why a peace fighter died

no different then any other person who tried revolting against his current goverment
punishment just happen 2 be crucifiction

no more then when someone looks back and says haha they used a weird device called a gun that shoot stuff at you really fast

[dom]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

b/c if you read ur history as a career jesus was a tax collector when he was 18 something till 2x then he revolted against the romans
and revolt = death

LOL, FAIL. You got your stories confused about the tax collector.

And he didn't revolt against the romans. The romans liked Jesus. It was the jews that killed Jesus; and that's why, for so long, most christians hated jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

[Luoma]

>> i feel like an idiot now arguing with a 13 year old.....i just assumed raingul was a dumb 17-19 year old....what waste of thread space i took up like 2 pages with that crap if a mod reads this plz delete it all im embarassed for myself

Do you feel like an idiot because you weren't doing too well?

I know I sound like an ass, but really, what does age have to matter?
If anything, it makes me better.

at XemnasXD, it's the way you act, its a forum. if he acts older and he can discuss what differents does it make?

how old do you believe me to be?

[dom]

how old do you believe me to be?

I like them young. Do you have a webcam? What's your msn?

[Luoma]

how old do you believe me to be?

I like them young. Do you have a webcam? What's your msn?

lol! you can get my msn from the msn button beneath, but be aware i am a
guy, i dont have a webcam and no i wont accept if you try to show me yours...

[dom]

i dont have a webcam and no i wont accept if you try to show me yours...

no thanks then,

bork bork bork

[redneck]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

b/c if you read ur history as a career jesus was a tax collector when he was 18 something till 2x then he revolted against the romans
and revolt = death

LOL, FAIL. You got your stories confused about the tax collector.

And he didn't revolt against the romans. The romans liked Jesus. It was the jews that killed Jesus; and that's why, for so long, most christians hated jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

so true....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RG7krcV66ok

[Silver0]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

b/c if you read ur history as a career jesus was a tax collector when he was 18 something till 2x then he revolted against the romans
and revolt = death

LOL, FAIL. You got your stories confused about the tax collector.

And he didn't revolt against the romans. The romans liked Jesus. It was the jews that killed Jesus; and that's why, for so long, most christians hated jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

first wikipedia is unreliable and 2nd there is like 500 stories about jesus going around and 3rd i dont specialize in jesus so w/e nd iam not taking a test iam writing what i heard

also failed what, coming from you sounds liek your putting a black and white over it

[XemnasXD]

>> i feel like an idiot now arguing with a 13 year old.....i just assumed raingul was a dumb 17-19 year old....what waste of thread space i took up like 2 pages with that crap if a mod reads this plz delete it all im embarassed for myself

Do you feel like an idiot because you weren't doing too well?

I know I sound like an ass, but really, what does age have to matter?
If anything, it makes me better.

age = experience

I wouldn't mind it if you were 13 years old and full of experience but its a shame that you've lived in so many different places and have had contact with so many cultures still your just an ignorant child. Your arguments were baseless. Your points were incorrect. Looking back on that argument you pulling everything you said out of your ass. Africa had no great civilization what aload of bull. Experience>Age but you have neither that way i feel like an idiot because i was arguing with you assuming you had both....how wrong i was.....

[dom]

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

b/c if you read ur history as a career jesus was a tax collector when he was 18 something till 2x then he revolted against the romans
and revolt = death

LOL, FAIL. You got your stories confused about the tax collector.

And he didn't revolt against the romans. The romans liked Jesus. It was the jews that killed Jesus; and that's why, for so long, most christians hated jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

first wikipedia is unreliable and 2nd there is like 500 stories about jesus going around and 3rd i dont specialize in jesus so w/e nd iam not taking a test iam writing what i heard

also failed what, coming from you sounds liek your putting a black and white over it

Except no.

Wikipedia is a source that is not reliable for academic purposes, because the people that add information are not experts in their fields. However, something like this, something of common knowledge, is accurate.

Secondly, there aren't 500 stories about the life of Jesus. They are common conventions; in general, both christians and no christians agree on these; and theories/speculation.

Christian or not, unless you're ignorant of facts, you must believe that Jesus existed. The Romans, champions of state and infrastructure, recorded both the birth, and the death, of Jesus. The story of Barabbas is a documented story recorded by the Romans.

Writing what you heard is also not a good thing to do. Write what you know, not what you think other people know.

Back on topic, as I started explaining, Jesus was a person that existed. You can argue that he was not the son of God, and did not perform miracles. That's left to faith. The one thing no one can argue about is the effect he has had on humanity. Whether he walked on water or not, it does not matter; what matters are the billions of people who have lived their lives by Christian morals and values. In the dark ages, the interpretation of Jesus' message was bent to conform to the church's interests. It wasn't until humanism that we have had the ability to interpret his words as we see fit, and truly become one loving community united under God. True Christians are companionate, generous, caring, and respectful of all people, regardless of their religious views. Unless you don't believe in goodness, Jesus had a positive impact on humanity. Some have chosen to live their lives by the same values and morals that he demonstrated in the stories told in the Bible, they call themselves Christians.

[Itonami]

I also thought i'd add that I would never in my right mind worship a self-absorbed racist, sexist being who condemns people to an eternity of sunburn for not agreeing and conforming to his beliefs.
Ever. >_>
God isn't real, but IMO.. if your beliefs make you a better person then keep on thinking what you want to think.. if it makes you prejudice, makes you feel superior to someone else, or makes you outright hate and harass someoen who doesn't follow your beliefs.. you dont need to be reading that book.
Maybe i'm just a simple person but I don't ever think about where things started, because I don't need an answer to continue my life happily. I don't think we were created because there can't be someone with omega powers popping out of nowhere.. he can't have come from heaven since he created it.. he cant have come from the solar system, the sky, the ocen.. and there's no way in hell you can die and come back to life. Witchcraft, anyone?

[dom]

I also thought i'd add that I would never in my right mind worship a self-absorbed racist, sexist being who condemns people to an eternity of sunburn for not agreeing and conforming to his beliefs.
Ever. >_>
God isn't real, but IMO.. if your beliefs make you a better person then keep on thinking what you want to think.. if it makes you prejudice, makes you feel superior to someone else, or makes you outright hate and harass someoen who doesn't follow your beliefs.. you dont need to be reading that book.

It's not the book that makes people feel superior, prejudice, hate, or harass other people. It's the interpretation that they have, usually influenced by family and friends. They are the extremists of Christianity, similar to the people that blow themselves up for Allah.

A true Christian is understanding of your views, he simply engages you in conversation to help you understand where he is coming from.

The more "active" sects, like Jehovah's Witnesses, although very pressing, are simply doing what they believe is right. You might find them annoying for knocking on your door early in the morning, but remember: they wake up early and walk all day because they want you to be saved, they care about your salvation.

[Itonami]

I also thought i'd add that I would never in my right mind worship a self-absorbed racist, sexist being who condemns people to an eternity of sunburn for not agreeing and conforming to his beliefs.
Ever. >_>
God isn't real, but IMO.. if your beliefs make you a better person then keep on thinking what you want to think.. if it makes you prejudice, makes you feel superior to someone else, or makes you outright hate and harass someoen who doesn't follow your beliefs.. you dont need to be reading that book.

It's not the book that makes people feel superior, prejudice, hate, or harass other people. It's the interpretation that they have, usually influenced by family and friends. They are the extremists of Christianity, similar to the people that blow themselves up for Allah.

A true Christian is understanding of your views, he simply engages you in conversation to help you understand where he is coming from.

The more "active" sects, like Jehovah's Witnesses, although very pressing, are simply doing what they believe is right. You might find them annoying for knocking on your door early in the morning, but remember: they wake up early and walk all day because they want you to be saved, they care about your salvation.

I've always wondered.. what's there to be saved from? You go through life living with the choices you make.. so you need to be rescued because you didn't do it perfectly according to some other being?
No thanks. =/

[dom]

I also thought i'd add that I would never in my right mind worship a self-absorbed racist, sexist being who condemns people to an eternity of sunburn for not agreeing and conforming to his beliefs.
Ever. >_>
God isn't real, but IMO.. if your beliefs make you a better person then keep on thinking what you want to think.. if it makes you prejudice, makes you feel superior to someone else, or makes you outright hate and harass someoen who doesn't follow your beliefs.. you dont need to be reading that book.

It's not the book that makes people feel superior, prejudice, hate, or harass other people. It's the interpretation that they have, usually influenced by family and friends. They are the extremists of Christianity, similar to the people that blow themselves up for Allah.

A true Christian is understanding of your views, he simply engages you in conversation to help you understand where he is coming from.

The more "active" sects, like Jehovah's Witnesses, although very pressing, are simply doing what they believe is right. You might find them annoying for knocking on your door early in the morning, but remember: they wake up early and walk all day because they want you to be saved, they care about your salvation.

I've always wondered.. what's there to be saved from? You go through life living with the choices you make.. so you need to be rescued because you didn't do it perfectly according to some other being?
No thanks. =/

Traditionally, it was to be saved from Hell. A concept exploited by the church in the Dark Ages, and up until the 1960s in rural areas of the world.

For a more progressive Christian, saved doesn't mean saved in that sense. It means living life with a certain set of morales of values, the same ones I mentioned earlier. If everyone would truly value those morals, the world would be a much better place. I'm not talking about a world composed of automotons, but rather; a world of people who recognize that everyone deserves to be treated with respect, and one's actions should reflect that.

Some people need the structure that the religion brings. Others, especially the younger ones who grew up without that dependancy, are much more comfortable living a life according to their values and morales without the "restriction" that is religion. Either way, a real Christian will never hurt you, he can only become a better person by taming himself by being a Christian.

If you live your life with dignity, God will forgive you for your sins, your religious views being trivial.

[XemnasXD]

You make it sound nice but the only reason why they're trying to save you is because their beliefs say if they don't as many ppl as they can THEY will also go to hell. So are they really doing it cause they care about your soul, or theirs?

[Itonami]

I also thought i'd add that I would never in my right mind worship a self-absorbed racist, sexist being who condemns people to an eternity of sunburn for not agreeing and conforming to his beliefs.
Ever. >_>
God isn't real, but IMO.. if your beliefs make you a better person then keep on thinking what you want to think.. if it makes you prejudice, makes you feel superior to someone else, or makes you outright hate and harass someoen who doesn't follow your beliefs.. you dont need to be reading that book.

It's not the book that makes people feel superior, prejudice, hate, or harass other people. It's the interpretation that they have, usually influenced by family and friends. They are the extremists of Christianity, similar to the people that blow themselves up for Allah.

A true Christian is understanding of your views, he simply engages you in conversation to help you understand where he is coming from.

The more "active" sects, like Jehovah's Witnesses, although very pressing, are simply doing what they believe is right. You might find them annoying for knocking on your door early in the morning, but remember: they wake up early and walk all day because they want you to be saved, they care about your salvation.

I've always wondered.. what's there to be saved from? You go through life living with the choices you make.. so you need to be rescued because you didn't do it perfectly according to some other being?
No thanks. =/

Traditionally, it was to be saved from Hell. A concept exploited by the church in the Dark Ages, and up until the 1960s in rural areas of the world.

For a more progressive Christian, saved doesn't mean saved in that sense. It means living life with a certain set of morales of values, the same ones I mentioned earlier. If everyone would truly value those morals, the world would be a much better place. I'm not talking about a world composed of automotons, but rather; a world of people who recognize that everyone deserves to be treated with respect, and one's actions should reflect that.

There are several religions that promote good morals, and some are better than others. There are religions that aren't creation-based that have a very good set of 'rules' for living.
Good morals shouldn't be faith-based but taught correctly by parents as they raise their children so that the future generations can have a clear mind and a good grip on wrong-right situations in life.

You shouldn' have to be saved at all, because YOU make your decisions and YOU don't need to be saved, forgiven, ect for living your life the way you want. You were given your life, you weren't created and tossed into the world and told to read the instruction manual on how things go. In the end, if you're content with the way you live your life, then you'll be at peace and your soul won't have to go anywhere once you pass on.

[dom]

You make it sound nice but the only reason why they're trying to save you is because their beliefs say if they don't as many ppl as they can THEY will also go to hell. So are they really doing it cause they care about your soul, or theirs?

Becoming a Jehovah's Witness the salvation of others becomes your interest. If you have a character that doesn't care about others, and you would only do it out of fear of being condemned to hell, you wouldn't of become a Jehovah's Witness. You would be a typical Protestant or Catholic.

It's identical to the way Karma works. If you help others for your own Karma, you will not gain any positive Karma; it has to come from your heart.

[MasterKojito]

Anyways, further proof of evolution (this is a good one) is people in the last 150 years. We have changed SOOOOO much.
From using bow and arrows and riding on horses to nuclear weapons and jets.
You might be like "that's not evolution". Well, it kind of is... Kind of.
We're changing, right? Well, that's evolution for ya.

I thought it was called technological advancement?

[XemnasXD]

most JW are born into the religion. And Karma is not the same thing as Christians trying to save your soul. You can live your entire life in isolation and still have good karma. If you don't save someone soul however then you will be punished. Big difference because for the latter the incentive for more personal gain.

[dom]

most JW are born into the religion

As are most Christians, most of which end up becoming agnostic or atheist.

And Karma is not the same thing as Christians trying to save your soul. You can live your entire life in isolation and still have good karma. If you don't save someone soul however then you will be punished. Big difference because for the latter the incentive for more personal gain.

It has nothing to do with Karma, I was illustrating that your intentions have to be genuine.

[alienjep]

@Alienjep, .... have you lost your mind?? Cathlocism was the first....
what you just said is evidence of church attempting 2 brainwash people
that makes me distressed wtf.

since people seem not 2 trust wiki ( ) heres something you can rely on:
http://www.religionfacts.com/christiani ... erview.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/history.htm

well u seem to have not read the "The Trail of Blood" by J.M. Carroll

[XemnasXD]

most JW are born into the religion

As are most Christians, most of which end up becoming agnostic or atheist.

And Karma is not the same thing as Christians trying to save your soul. You can live your entire life in isolation and still have good karma. If you don't save someone soul however then you will be punished. Big difference because for the latter the incentive for more personal gain.

It has nothing to do with Karma, I was illustrating that your intentions have to be genuine.

Well they clearly want to save your soul to keep them from going to hell, thats genuine. Whether they do it because they actually care about you is debatable and differs from person to person i think. Like who ppl go to church out of habit im sure some JWs attempt to save souls just because it what they think they're supposed to do.