Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[Rainigul]

I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but you know redneck is kinda right.

I mean, about the steriotype thing.

it's not like someone was just like "hey, black people steal things" and had absolutely no basis for it.

Steriotypes aren't always right, but alot of the time they are.

I'm gonna sound like a dick now, but I'm gonna say it anyways.

I don't care if you're black, white, red, whatever, but if you act like an idiot I'm not gonna like you.

And alot of times the race just does it to themselves. Like it's kinda true that minorities hang out in gangs and rob shit. It's not like all of them do it, but people tend to remember the bad things about someone, for whatever the reason.

Of course, some people take this "fear" and assume that all whatevers act a certain way. I think sometimes you can tell by how they're dressed or whatever, and if you're thinking "that's closed minded". Well, maybe they should stop dressing like they just got back from a drive by shooting.

I dunno, this post is almost irrelevant since nobody's really talking about it, but I'm sure you all realize steriotypes are pretty accurate.

Just like the all asians are good at math, to this day I have not met an oriental who has not been badass at math.

Whatever.

[corkscrew]

IMO Evolution IS creation. According to my belief the world was created, and later became evolutionized to the standards that the creator clearly wanted.

[Rainigul]

IMO Evolution IS creation. According to my belief the world was created, and later became evolutionized to the standards that the creator clearly wanted.

Why didn't the creator just make everything perfect to begin with?

[Barotix]

IMO Evolution IS creation. According to my belief the world was created, and later became evolutionized to the standards that the creator clearly wanted.

Why didn't the creator just make everything perfect to begin with?

"Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life."-Aristotle

[XemnasXD]

I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but you know redneck is kinda right.

I mean, about the steriotype thing.

it's not like someone was just like "hey, black people steal things" and had absolutely no basis for it.

Steriotypes aren't always right, but alot of the time they are.

I'm gonna sound like a dick now, but I'm gonna say it anyways.

I don't care if you're black, white, red, whatever, but if you act like an idiot I'm not gonna like you.

And alot of times the race just does it to themselves. Like it's kinda true that minorities hang out in gangs and rob shit. It's not like all of them do it, but people tend to remember the bad things about someone, for whatever the reason.

Of course, some people take this "fear" and assume that all whatevers act a certain way. I think sometimes you can tell by how they're dressed or whatever, and if you're thinking "that's closed minded". Well, maybe they should stop dressing like they just got back from a drive by shooting.

I dunno, this post is almost irrelevant since nobody's really talking about it, but I'm sure you all realize steriotypes are pretty accurate.

Just like the all asians are good at math, to this day I have not met an oriental who has not been badass at math.

Whatever.

There are plenty of asians who aren't good at math clearly you haven't met that many of them. As for the stereotype thing yeah you are an asshole.

Minorites commit alot most of the crime only in area thats MOSTLY made up of minorites. Just like in in the suburbs the kids vandalizing shit is white kids. But that doesn't get stereotyped does it. That obvious piece of information is left out of the joke. Also they left the out the fact that in urban areas with the highest crime rate there is an excessive about of drugs and guns being sold. Also in those areas the state has all but cut off good public education. So left with nothing to do ppl turn to crime to survive until it becomes so much a part of the society that ppl decide thats just the way they're supposed to live.

Take an area that has a good majority of white ppl say 70% white and then see who is committing the majority of the crimes.....thats one of the main reason why i don't get racism and stereotypes because its all perspective and most ppl don't bother for a ..... second to walk a mile in other parties shoes. Im not going to lie for just one day i'd love to see what it would be like if i was a white boy living in America. Would ppl hold their purses a little tighter when i walk by, could i find a job easier, would my community start looking at me as a person instead of an infestation.

Im done trying to change ppls views of the world through SRF post it doesn't work but stop and think before you judge something like that. And when you ask yourself well it didn't start from nothing try to find out where it started from. You won't find it on the internet probably and you can't ask your parents you'll just have to pick it up as you go along but ti think you'll be quite surprised and a little humbled to find out the origins of most stereotypes.....

srry for getting off topic shouldn't happen again....

[Rainigul]

stuff

There are plenty of asians who aren't good at math clearly you haven't met that many of them. As for the stereotype thing yeah you are an asshole.

Yeah, I just said I didn't meat any that weren't good at math... So... Yes.
Ok, whatever, you think I'm an asshole, you're racist against racists (I'm not really a racist... But like I can see where they're coming from. I mean... Eugh, just read what I said before).

Minorites commit alot most of the crime only in area thats MOSTLY made up of minorites. Just like in in the suburbs the kids vandalizing shit is white kids. But that doesn't get stereotyped does it. That obvious piece of information is left out of the joke. Also they left the out the fact that in urban areas with the highest crime rate there is an excessive about of drugs and guns being sold. Also in those areas the state has all but cut off good public education. So left with nothing to do ppl turn to crime to survive until it becomes so much a part of the society that ppl decide thats just the way they're supposed to live.

You know white kids who vandalize in your town?
Why do you think alot of drugs and guns are being sold? Because people are buying them, duh. It's not like they sell them to nothing, and then people think it's a good business. That doesn't even make any sense.
They don't have good public education because the kids don't want to learn. An areas education system has to do with alot of things... Willingess to learn is a big one.
Ok... people turn to crime... Yeah, that's what you call a steriotype, you just made one. They COULD go to school and actually do good, they're get a less-than-crap job that way. But instead, they're like "let's run with gangs".

Take an area that has a good majority of white ppl say 70% white and then see who is committing the majority of the crimes.....thats one of the main reason why i don't get racism and stereotypes because its all perspective and most ppl don't bother for a ..... second to walk a mile in other parties shoes. Im not going to lie for just one day i'd love to see what it would be like if i was a white boy living in America. Would ppl hold their purses a little tighter when i walk by, could i find a job easier, would my community start looking at me as a person instead of an infestation.

I still think minorities probably commit most of the crimes. I think I heard a number somewhere, and the % of blacks in jail was like 70%, and whites were like 5%. That's not the real numbers, but it was something pretty close to that.
Racism has to do with steriotypes, but I'm not supporting racism, I'm saying steriotypes have an origin that isn't random.
I don't think people would be so racist if there was nothing to be racist about... You know what I mean? I don't think people hate people for their skin color, I think they hate them because people with their skin color did some shit to the 'racist' earlier in that persons life. Or they were just taught to hate like that.
I don't understand your white boy in america thing.

Im done trying to change ppls views of the world through SRF post it doesn't work but stop and think before you judge something like that. And when you ask yourself well it didn't start from nothing try to find out where it started from. You won't find it on the internet probably and you can't ask your parents you'll just have to pick it up as you go along but ti think you'll be quite surprised and a little humbled to find out the origins of most stereotypes.....

My whole post was saying where it started from, and it's from something alright. To be honest the black thing probably has alllooootttt more history than robberies or whatever. I'm sure you know what I mean.
Your whole last paragraph is kinda void... It's telling me to do something I already did. But I have to type this anyways to affirm the fact that I indeed did read it and I'm not ignoring any part of your post. Which is a stupid thing to do.

You need to be alittle less concerned about what people think. It's not like you know anybody on srf. I don't really care what you think. But it's still fun to argue with people.

srry for getting off topic shouldn't happen again....

Yeah, let's try and drop this here.

[XemnasXD]

stuff

There are plenty of asians who aren't good at math clearly you haven't met that many of them. As for the stereotype thing yeah you are an asshole.

Yeah, I just said I didn't meat any that weren't good at math... So... Yes.
Ok, whatever, you think I'm an asshole, you're racist against racists (I'm not really a racist... But like I can see where they're coming from. I mean... Eugh, just read what I said before).

Minorites commit alot most of the crime only in area thats MOSTLY made up of minorites. Just like in in the suburbs the kids vandalizing shit is white kids. But that doesn't get stereotyped does it. That obvious piece of information is left out of the joke. Also they left the out the fact that in urban areas with the highest crime rate there is an excessive about of drugs and guns being sold. Also in those areas the state has all but cut off good public education. So left with nothing to do ppl turn to crime to survive until it becomes so much a part of the society that ppl decide thats just the way they're supposed to live.

You know white kids who vandalize in your town?
Why do you think alot of drugs and guns are being sold? Because people are buying them, duh. It's not like they sell them to nothing, and then people think it's a good business. That doesn't even make any sense.
They don't have good public education because the kids don't want to learn. An areas education system has to do with alot of things... Willingess to learn is a big one.
Ok... people turn to crime... Yeah, that's what you call a steriotype, you just made one. They COULD go to school and actually do good, they're get a less-than-crap job that way. But instead, they're like "let's run with gangs".

Take an area that has a good majority of white ppl say 70% white and then see who is committing the majority of the crimes.....thats one of the main reason why i don't get racism and stereotypes because its all perspective and most ppl don't bother for a ..... second to walk a mile in other parties shoes. Im not going to lie for just one day i'd love to see what it would be like if i was a white boy living in America. Would ppl hold their purses a little tighter when i walk by, could i find a job easier, would my community start looking at me as a person instead of an infestation.

I still think minorities probably commit most of the crimes. I think I heard a number somewhere, and the % of blacks in jail was like 70%, and whites were like 5%. That's not the real numbers, but it was something pretty close to that.
Racism has to do with steriotypes, but I'm not supporting racism, I'm saying steriotypes have an origin that isn't random.
I don't think people would be so racist if there was nothing to be racist about... You know what I mean? I don't think people hate people for their skin color, I think they hate them because people with their skin color did some shit to the 'racist' earlier in that persons life. Or they were just taught to hate like that.
I don't understand your white boy in america thing.

Im done trying to change ppls views of the world through SRF post it doesn't work but stop and think before you judge something like that. And when you ask yourself well it didn't start from nothing try to find out where it started from. You won't find it on the internet probably and you can't ask your parents you'll just have to pick it up as you go along but ti think you'll be quite surprised and a little humbled to find out the origins of most stereotypes.....

My whole post was saying where it started from, and it's from something alright. To be honest the black thing probably has alllooootttt more history than robberies or whatever. I'm sure you know what I mean.
Your whole last paragraph is kinda void... It's telling me to do something I already did. But I have to type this anyways to affirm the fact that I indeed did read it and I'm not ignoring any part of your post. Which is a stupid thing to do.

You need to be alittle less concerned about what people think. It's not like you know anybody on srf. I don't really care what you think. But it's still fun to argue with people.

srry for getting off topic shouldn't happen again....

Yeah, let's try and drop this here.

Raingul where the ..... do you live because you should really stop talking sh*t about stuff you clearly know nothing off.

If you wanted to drop it you shouldn't have responded cause now im pissed off.

First. My mother was a teacher in the Philadelphia School District for over 20 years. So don't sit there and tell me that kidz don't want to learn. You try learning when your books say "someday we will land on the moon" Its kinda hard to pass any kind of state test when your scores are so low because the buildings don't get the funding they need. Kidz aren't stupid they know bullshit when they see bullshit and most of them have families to feed and bills to help pay because they're parents are either out of work due to lay offs or working to many jobs and still not keeping up. Eventually there comes a decision which you will NEVER IN YOUR LIFE have to make. Stay in school and get an education or go out on the street and earn money to support yourself anyway you know how. Most choose the latter because that reality.

Secondly. Im assuming your white because you have no idea how racist the American Justice system is. My whole families been preparing me for the age of 18 with stories and knowledge because they know as soon as i can be tried as an adult im a target. The prison systems are MONEY plain and simple if you look at the growth of prisons over history you will find that after slavery ended the amount of prisons skyrocketed and it wasn't because crime increased it was because they needed cheap labor. Prisons are one of the fastest growing economic industries you can buy stock in them now. The laws are set up where you can get more jail time for being in possession of drugs than you can get for selling it. What kind of sense if that if you have a problem you want to stop it at the source not after its been handed out.

Ask a racist why he hates black ppl and the dumb ones will say its cause they're n*ggers the dumber ones will say its because they're lazy good for nothing who do nothing but sit around and complain all day. Of course they'll be saying this while they are unemployed doing nothing all day. So don't throw out some bullshit that racism isn't based on skin color. Europeans specifically selected dark Africans to sell into slavery. If you were too light you got put back because they didn't want the connection of light skin color to be associated with slavery at all.

and FYI last year a kid i know and his friends (all white) decided it would be a good idea to burn down the local childrens park and they all got caught on camera. But god forbid white ppl be accused of being criminals. You've got your head shoved so far up your little white ass you can't see racism even after claiming to have gone over the facts. To come up with that BS first line "your racist against racist" stfu and gtfo. You know nothing. You have experienced nothing. You have not even tried to look at things from another perspective. So stop pretending like you know sh*t and thinking its ok because you stick things like "im not sure" and "well i dunno but" into your paragraphs cause the message is clear and no im not calling you a racist im calling you an ignorant typical American.....

im done here for the nite maybe /b/ can cheer me up...at least when they're shooting out racism and stereotypes they don't try to act innocent about it....

[Barotix]

stuff

There are plenty of asians who aren't good at math clearly you haven't met that many of them. As for the stereotype thing yeah you are an asshole.

Yeah, I just said I didn't meat any that weren't good at math... So... Yes.
Ok, whatever, you think I'm an asshole, you're racist against racists (I'm not really a racist... But like I can see where they're coming from. I mean... Eugh, just read what I said before).

Minorites commit alot most of the crime only in area thats MOSTLY made up of minorites. Just like in in the suburbs the kids vandalizing shit is white kids. But that doesn't get stereotyped does it. That obvious piece of information is left out of the joke. Also they left the out the fact that in urban areas with the highest crime rate there is an excessive about of drugs and guns being sold. Also in those areas the state has all but cut off good public education. So left with nothing to do ppl turn to crime to survive until it becomes so much a part of the society that ppl decide thats just the way they're supposed to live.

You know white kids who vandalize in your town?
Why do you think alot of drugs and guns are being sold? Because people are buying them, duh. It's not like they sell them to nothing, and then people think it's a good business. That doesn't even make any sense.
They don't have good public education because the kids don't want to learn. An areas education system has to do with alot of things... Willingess to learn is a big one.
Ok... people turn to crime... Yeah, that's what you call a steriotype, you just made one. They COULD go to school and actually do good, they're get a less-than-crap job that way. But instead, they're like "let's run with gangs".

Take an area that has a good majority of white ppl say 70% white and then see who is committing the majority of the crimes.....thats one of the main reason why i don't get racism and stereotypes because its all perspective and most ppl don't bother for a ..... second to walk a mile in other parties shoes. Im not going to lie for just one day i'd love to see what it would be like if i was a white boy living in America. Would ppl hold their purses a little tighter when i walk by, could i find a job easier, would my community start looking at me as a person instead of an infestation.

I still think minorities probably commit most of the crimes. I think I heard a number somewhere, and the % of blacks in jail was like 70%, and whites were like 5%. That's not the real numbers, but it was something pretty close to that.
Racism has to do with steriotypes, but I'm not supporting racism, I'm saying steriotypes have an origin that isn't random.
I don't think people would be so racist if there was nothing to be racist about... You know what I mean? I don't think people hate people for their skin color, I think they hate them because people with their skin color did some shit to the 'racist' earlier in that persons life. Or they were just taught to hate like that.
I don't understand your white boy in america thing.

Im done trying to change ppls views of the world through SRF post it doesn't work but stop and think before you judge something like that. And when you ask yourself well it didn't start from nothing try to find out where it started from. You won't find it on the internet probably and you can't ask your parents you'll just have to pick it up as you go along but ti think you'll be quite surprised and a little humbled to find out the origins of most stereotypes.....

My whole post was saying where it started from, and it's from something alright. To be honest the black thing probably has alllooootttt more history than robberies or whatever. I'm sure you know what I mean.
Your whole last paragraph is kinda void... It's telling me to do something I already did. But I have to type this anyways to affirm the fact that I indeed did read it and I'm not ignoring any part of your post. Which is a stupid thing to do.

You need to be alittle less concerned about what people think. It's not like you know anybody on srf. I don't really care what you think. But it's still fun to argue with people.

srry for getting off topic shouldn't happen again....

Yeah, let's try and drop this here.

Raingul where the ..... do you live because you should really stop talking sh*t about stuff you clearly know nothing off.

If you wanted to drop it you shouldn't have responded cause now im pissed off.

First. My mother was a teacher in the Philadelphia School District for over 20 years. So don't sit there and tell me that kidz don't want to learn. You try learning when your books say "someday we will land on the moon" Its kinda hard to pass any kind of state test when your scores are so low because the buildings don't get the funding they need. Kidz aren't stupid they know bullshit when they see bullshit and most of them have families to feed and bills to help pay because they're parents are either out of work due to lay offs or working to many jobs and still not keeping up. Eventually there comes a decision which you will NEVER IN YOUR LIFE have to make. Stay in school and get an education or go out on the street and earn money to support yourself anyway you know how. Most choose the latter because that reality.

Secondly. Im assuming your white because you have no idea how racist the American Justice system is. My whole families been preparing me for the age of 18 with stories and knowledge because they know as soon as i can be tried as an adult im a target. The prison systems are MONEY plain and simple if you look at the growth of prisons over history you will find that after slavery ended the amount of prisons skyrocketed and it wasn't because crime increased it was because they needed cheap labor. Prisons are one of the fastest growing economic industries you can buy stock in them now. The laws are set up where you can get more jail time for being in possession of drugs than you can get for selling it. What kind of sense if that if you have a problem you want to stop it at the source not after its been handed out.

Ask a racist why he hates black ppl and the dumb ones will say its cause they're n*ggers the dumber ones will say its because they're lazy good for nothing who do nothing but sit around and complain all day. Of course they'll be saying this while they are unemployed doing nothing all day. So don't throw out some bullshit that racism isn't based on skin color. Europeans specifically selected dark Africans to sell into slavery. If you were too light you got put back because they didn't want the connection of light skin color to be associated with slavery at all.

and FYI last year a kid i know and his friends (all white) decided it would be a good idea to burn down the local childrens park and they all got caught on camera. But god forbid white ppl be accused of being criminals. You've got your head shoved so far up your little white ass you can't see racism even after claiming to have gone over the facts. To come up with that BS first line "your racist against racist" stfu and gtfo. You know nothing. You have experienced nothing. You have not even tried to look at things from another perspective. So stop pretending like you know sh*t and thinking its ok because you stick things like "im not sure" and "well i dunno but" into your paragraphs cause the message is clear and no im not calling you a racist im calling you an ignorant typical American.....

im done here for the nite maybe /b/ can cheer me up...at least when they're shooting out racism and stereotypes they don't try to act innocent about it....

oO.....
plz stay on topic.....

[alienjep]

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?
God created humans to worship him...if God didn't created Lucifer we humans will have no sins at all, and if we are perfect we won't worship God.

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.
before God created the universe He already know who what will happen, and everything that is happening to us now is His plan.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.
the religion of the Jews before Jesus was born and Jesus religion is the same. Jesus didn't setup a new religion

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.
because it's in the plan of God that humans will sin

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
because it's the only way for our sins to be forgiven, if Jesus didn't die we won't have any saviour and we will all go to hell, by dying at the cross Jesus paid all the sins of men by His blood, so if we believe in Jesus and confess that He is our saviour He will cleanse us of our sins and will have eternal life when He return.

Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?
because that is the plan of God for Him, if Judas didn't betray Jesus he won't be arrested and Jesus will not die.

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.
because if God kill all the evil in the world, the world will be perfect, and if the world is perfect we humans won't worship God.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?
you know that adam and eve are the first humans in Earth, and they worship God, they even talk to God in person, so since the beginning of Earth or mankind there is already God and His word.

well i'm raised as a christian, and i am baptized now.
Catholic is different from Christians.
the Bible that the other religions used is a revised or translated from the codex sinaiticus and codex vaticanus, the version we Christians used is the King James Version(this is the only version of the Bible that is translated from the Great Textus Receptus,these are a compilation of copies that Christians made to preserve the Word of God); and the Bible and its contents are all true, it all happen in the past and all the prophecies will come to pass.

well i don't believe in the evolution that's my view...
creation is the only thing i believe...

p.s. sori for my bad grammar...

[Millenium]

If god created every creature on earth, at every stage where the gene pool of any population of the organisms change (which we call evolution), then he must be really bored. He can use some of his spare time to mod SRF.

[BlackFox]

If god created every creature on earth, at every stage where the gene pool of any population of the organisms change (which we call evolution), then he must be really bored. He can use some of his spare time to mod SRF.

LMAO yea ...

[Crumpets]

God created it all?

Who created god?
Who created the creator of god?
Who created the creator of the creator of god ?
Who created the creator of the creator of the creator of god?
Who created the creator of the creator of the creator of the creator of god?


I could go on and on. Thinking about all that will eventually drive you to the brink of insanity. Come to think of it, would would you anyways? Who gives a toss about what happened 893724863287458 years ago. Fix the world as it is today ffs.

[Puny]

Some people like to ponder those kind of questions, doesnt mean that they dont give a **** about the world today.

As for me I never saw a contradiction between the two. Who says that (a) God couldn´t have created the universe all at once in a process that took billions of years? But you have to believe that time is instant for that as I do.

The debate going on I think is rather a powerstruggle not a struggle about if God made the world in 7 days and our divine ancestory or if we were relatives from monkey. The winning side gets more power in congress, schoolsystem, just society in general and can shape the world to its view.

[Sylhana]

I was raised in a religious setting, but am a scientist at heart. That said I always stray as far away from discussions involving creationism and evolution, avoiding it like the bubonic plague. I dont know, maybe I'm bored today.

So I'm going to argue that creationism and evolution is one and the same.

"Ludicrous!" said a scientist.

"Blasphemous!" said one religious proponent on this matter.

Dodging the oranges and laptops thrown at me, I stumbled my way into hiding inside a tavern in the middle of Lankytorn in a place far far away from the angry mobs (indulge me in my runaway to fantasy lane ). If I'm not making any sense now, wait till you converse with me on mushrooms.

Speaking of mushrooms, most of the major religions of the world centralize around the belief that there is a diety (or several). But what is a deity exactly? Compare this with evolution, a process involving diversification of the gene pool and natural selection.

Diversification is induced from errors of genomic replication, environment pressure (nutrition induction) and environmental influence (more so in complex gene systems compared to simple single stranded organisms), background cosmic radiation, and genomic replication mistakes. But the biggest recipe in the whole process is chance.

"Chance? Huh? Are you on drugs again Syl?" said a smartass.

Hey listen me out first. If you think far back... no further... even more further... you're not thinking far back enough sadly I'm referring to the big bang. A lump of space with nothing that became something. How do we even begin to comprehend the processes involving the initiation of the big bang. We cant We could speculate from remnants of cosmic microwaves that are still present in the cosmos and extrapolate using that statistical data to work back how the f*** the bigbang happened. Again in this context, mushrooms are useful. The simple scientific explanation for this is chance. In both cases chance is the reason evolution and existence works.

So your ran# (ie chance) equates to well a deity. Depending on your point of view. If you chose to place faith and meaning in ran#, you may wish to name it too.

Anyway, thanks for taking a trip with me in Lankytorn. I hope you'll be more confused than me after reading this

[heroo]

the video against evolution is very very interesting.

[Snudge]

mushrooms

I love you.

[Barotix]

I was raised in a religious setting, but am a scientist at heart. That said I always stray as far away from discussions involving creationism and evolution, avoiding it like the bubonic plague. I dont know, maybe I'm bored today.

So I'm going to argue that creationism and evolution is one and the same.

"Ludicrous!" said a scientist.

"Blasphemous!" said one religious proponent on this matter.

Dodging the oranges and laptops thrown at me, I stumbled my way into hiding inside a tavern in the middle of Lankytorn in a place far far away from the angry mobs (indulge me in my runaway to fantasy lane ). If I'm not making any sense now, wait till you converse with me on mushrooms.

Speaking of mushrooms, most of the major religions of the world centralize around the belief that there is a diety (or several). But what is a deity exactly? Compare this with evolution, a process involving diversification of the gene pool and natural selection.

Diversification is induced from errors of genomic replication, environment pressure (nutrition induction) and environmental influence (more so in complex gene systems compared to simple single stranded organisms), background cosmic radiation, and genomic replication mistakes. But the biggest recipe in the whole process is chance.

"Chance? Huh? Are you on drugs again Syl?" said a smartass.

Hey listen me out first. If you think far back... no further... even more further... you're not thinking far back enough sadly I'm referring to the big bang. A lump of space with nothing that became something. How do we even begin to comprehend the processes involving the initiation of the big bang. We cant We could speculate from remnants of cosmic microwaves that are still present in the cosmos and extrapolate using that statistical data to work back how the f*** the bigbang happened. Again in this context, mushrooms are useful. The simple scientific explanation for this is chance. In both cases chance is the reason evolution and existence works.

So your ran# (ie chance) equates to well a deity. Depending on your point of view. If you chose to place faith and meaning in ran#, you may wish to name it too.

Anyway, thanks for taking a trip with me in Lankytorn. I hope you'll be more confused than me after reading this

"Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life."-Aristotle

he said it first.
i also believe creation and evolution is 1 in the same.
then again i believe alot of things that could get me excommunicated.

@alienjap,

lol dont be confused buddy catholicism is a form of christianity, as a matter of fact the catholics where the first 2 take up thier "cross"
there are many different types of christians; so, dont let the media fool you.

you got
baptist
puritins
methodist
catholics
jehovas witness
mormans
etc etc

get it right thier all christian.

[dom]

The universal Church is the Catholic Church.

The Orthodox came next near the end of the XVth century.

Afterwards, Martin Luther started the protestant reform (everyone that aren`t part of the catholic, orthodox, or the next church, are PROTESTANT; that includes the "christians that believe in the bible")

Really soon after that, HenriVIII founded the anglican church.

baptist
puritins
methodist
jehovas witness
mormans
etc etc

Are all part of the protestant denomination.

[Barotix]

The universal Church is the Catholic Church.

The Orthodox came next near the end of the XVth century.

Afterwards, Martin Luther started the protestant reform (everyone that aren`t part of the catholic, orthodox, or the next church, are PROTESTANT; that includes the "christians that believe in the bible")

Really soon after that, HenriVIII founded the anglican church.

baptist
puritins
methodist
jehovas witness
mormans
etc etc

Are all part of the protestant denomination.

protestants are christian, and so are catholics, so are the east orthodox.
the russian orthodox is christian 2.
so are anglicans.

they are christian.
its just some people have this wierd idea, that every form of christianity is christian except the catholics .

also if you look at it from a historians standpoint, whenever they refer 2 christians they are directly talking about catholicism. When they do make a distinction they say Protestant rather than Christian.

meh im gonna play sro now...
lets see where this thread goes now....

[satman83]

back to the main topic

there is evidence to support evolution and the big bang theory....zero for
the creationism theory, hey am not knocking it...if thats what you believe then so be it. But who said god made the world in 7 days..i mean there are
more Hindus then Christians on the earth...so is there way right? or how
about the Buddhist creation belief?

as far as am concered evolution is the only one as it provieds answers to
questions that religion cant.

[ciddy]

Put me down for evolution

btw i was Christian before, but now Atheist

[nicko9000]

I'm a buddhist

But yeah, i think evo is win.

And i think your you are your own god.


If you think what you are about to do is the right thing, then i think you should do it.

(cant remember who said it, but someone on youtube was commenting about this sort of stuff)

he/she said: can i remind you that the bible is a BOOK written by PEOPLE, which applies to the quaran (sp?) or any other religious books

and @ satman:

I agree, apparently god is all powerfull and the rest of it.
if he was, he could make the world in a nanosecond flat, he wouldnt need 7 days (which probably whernt invented at the time, so why do christians think it was 7 days?)

And apparently he rested on the 7th day, which should be excluded, because your not making anything there, and if god is all powerfull, he wouldnt need a rest, to make a planet.


I think if there was a god, it wouldn't be some guy sat on a cloud, smoking a pipe and shooting lighting out of his fingers, rather a big cloud of gas,(or something of a similar nature) that has the power to give off a force that can create life

[dom]

It pains me.

I'm pro-evolution, but the arguments put forth by some people on the same side are weak. They're as thought out as "GOD IS ALL POWERFUL SO HE HAS TO HAD MADE DA EART"

[Rainigul]

Raingul where the ..... do you live because you should really stop talking sh*t about stuff you clearly know nothing off.

In my lifetime I've lived in the USA, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, then Holland again. I spent a year in saudi arabia, but didn't technically "live there". I've also visited many places.

If you wanted to drop it you shouldn't have responded cause now im pissed off.

Too late to go back now.

First. My mother was a teacher in the Philadelphia School District for over 20 years. So don't sit there and tell me that kidz don't want to learn. You try learning when your books say "someday we will land on the moon" Its kinda hard to pass any kind of state test when your scores are so low because the buildings don't get the funding they need. Kidz aren't stupid they know bullshit when they see bullshit and most of them have families to feed and bills to help pay because they're parents are either out of work due to lay offs or working to many jobs and still not keeping up. Eventually there comes a decision which you will NEVER IN YOUR LIFE have to make. Stay in school and get an education or go out on the street and earn money to support yourself anyway you know how. Most choose the latter because that reality.

You say that the school district is underfunded, well how do you think that started? Because at some point in time, the kids just didn't want to learn and then it all went down the drain.
You know what the first amendment is, right? It lets you have freedom of petition and assembly. You can use that to get what you want, but others have to be with you. So if everyone would just petition the government for more funding (which has been done before), they can ultimately recieve it.

Secondly. Im assuming your white because you have no idea how racist the American Justice system is. My whole families been preparing me for the age of 18 with stories and knowledge because they know as soon as i can be tried as an adult im a target. The prison systems are MONEY plain and simple if you look at the growth of prisons over history you will find that after slavery ended the amount of prisons skyrocketed and it wasn't because crime increased it was because they needed cheap labor. Prisons are one of the fastest growing economic industries you can buy stock in them now. The laws are set up where you can get more jail time for being in possession of drugs than you can get for selling it. What kind of sense if that if you have a problem you want to stop it at the source not after its been handed out.

Yeah I'm a white boy.
I don't understand your 18 thing. Are they telling you how to not get into trouble? Or what? If not, then how are they helping you? (By the way, that's not supposed to be offending if you think it is, it's a real question)
Yeah, everybody likes money.
Sometimes crime and punishment doesn't make sense. But then again it does make sense to do what they're doing. If they arrest people in possession of drugs, then it will make people not want to buy drugs. But if they arrest the dealers, then people won't be getting "their load of drugs", so then the drug dealing business will become really big (Like how the 18th amendment was supposed to lower crime rates, but it made it worse because everybody wanted alcohol). Then organized crime will be much better funded and bad things will happen.

Ask a racist why he hates black ppl and the dumb ones will say its cause they're n*ggers the dumber ones will say its because they're lazy good for nothing who do nothing but sit around and complain all day. Of course they'll be saying this while they are unemployed doing nothing all day. So don't throw out some bullshit that racism isn't based on skin color. Europeans specifically selected dark Africans to sell into slavery. If you were too light you got put back because they didn't want the connection of light skin color to be associated with slavery at all.

Who says that the racist has a bad life? You're making more steriotypes.
Yeah, the europeans believed that the whiter you were, the more intelligent you were. Honestly you can see why they thought it though, I'm not trying to sound like a douche, but this is all true. The white people have formed great societies spanning miles and miles, and then when they go to africa, the people there have a much more primitive life, hence they think that they're better.
It could have happened the other way around, but it just didn't.

and FYI last year a kid i know and his friends (all white) decided it would be a good idea to burn down the local childrens park and they all got caught on camera. But god forbid white ppl be accused of being criminals. You've got your head shoved so far up your little white ass you can't see racism even after claiming to have gone over the facts. To come up with that BS first line "your racist against racist" stfu and gtfo. You know nothing. You have experienced nothing. You have not even tried to look at things from another perspective. So stop pretending like you know sh*t and thinking its ok because you stick things like "im not sure" and "well i dunno but" into your paragraphs cause the message is clear and no im not calling you a racist im calling you an ignorant typical American.....

You just said the kids got caught though, and I'm sure they were punished accordingly.
You're being racist right now making fun of me because I'm white. I'm not a racist, you are.
You go up again and say I'm "a typical american". I don't really like america that much either, but there you go again, you're being racist.

im done here for the nite maybe /b/ can cheer me up...at least when they're shooting out racism and stereotypes they don't try to act innocent about it....

haha, /b/ lol.
I don't understand your last sentence. Who's shooting out racism and steriotypes? Nobody? /b/? Society?

I think I know what I'm talking about. I never really support what I'm saying, but I"m saying it for the sake that you all know that things have a basis.

If something doesn't have a basis then it's pointless.

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?
God created humans to worship him...if God didn't created Lucifer we humans will have no sins at all, and if we are perfect we won't worship God.

Hmmm I see.

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.
before God created the universe He already know who what will happen, and everything that is happening to us now is His plan.


... What was the purpose of him making gays though?

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.
the religion of the Jews before Jesus was born and Jesus religion is the same. Jesus didn't setup a new religion

Yup.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.
because it's in the plan of God that humans will sin

Makes sense.

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
because it's the only way for our sins to be forgiven, if Jesus didn't die we won't have any saviour and we will all go to hell, by dying at the cross Jesus paid all the sins of men by His blood, so if we believe in Jesus and confess that He is our saviour He will cleanse us of our sins and will have eternal life when He return.

... How did him dying save us?

Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?
because that is the plan of God for Him, if Judas didn't betray Jesus he won't be arrested and Jesus will not die.

Ah yes, that makes sense.

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.
because if God kill all the evil in the world, the world will be perfect, and if the world is perfect we humans won't worship God.

I'm not trying to sound like a douche, but it seems like god is kinda worship-hungry! Lol.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?
you know that adam and eve are the first humans in Earth, and they worship God, they even talk to God in person, so since the beginning of Earth or mankind there is already God and His word.

That makes sense too.

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

[dom]

In my lifetime I've lived in the USA, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, then Holland again. I spent a year in saudi arabia, but didn't technically "live there". I've also visited many places.

Aren't you like 14? That would mean that unless you lived in each country for a year in the past 6 years, and a 1 year trip to saudi arabia, the memories you have would be extremely vague if existant?

*Can't wait to get home to shit on alienjep's arguments; yesterday I was tired and didn't argue much, today I should be up to the task*

[Rainigul]

In my lifetime I've lived in the USA, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, then Holland again. I spent a year in saudi arabia, but didn't technically "live there". I've also visited many places.

Aren't you like 14? That would mean that unless you lived in each country for a year in the past 6 years, and a 1 year trip to saudi arabia, the memories you have would be extremely vague if existant?

*Can't wait to get home to shit on alienjep's arguments; yesterday I was tired and didn't argue much, today I should be up to the task*

Yeah, I'm 14.

Born in USA.

Moved to holland when 3.

Spent year in Saudi when 10.

Lived in italy when 11.

Lived in switerland when 12.

[Belgarath]

In my lifetime I've lived in the USA, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, then Holland again. I spent a year in saudi arabia, but didn't technically "live there". I've also visited many places.

Aren't you like 14? That would mean that unless you lived in each country for a year in the past 6 years, and a 1 year trip to saudi arabia, the memories you have would be extremely vague if existant?

*Can't wait to get home to shit on alienjep's arguments; yesterday I was tired and didn't argue much, today I should be up to the task*

I will try my best. I'm not much of a shitter but we'll see.

First off, the only thing you are actually saying is God has a plan. Is that all Christians can say? God has a plan for this. God has a plan for that. God lets natural disasters happen because he has a plan. God created sadistic, sinful, greedy, and jealous beings; all because he had a plan. Sounds like this god of yours doesnt have a plan that could run an elementary school!

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
because it's the only way for our sins to be forgiven, if Jesus didn't die we won't have any saviour and we will all go to hell, by dying at the cross Jesus paid all the sins of men by His blood, so if we believe in Jesus and confess that He is our saviour He will cleanse us of our sins and will have eternal life when He return.

Are you kidding me? You act as if you know what "God" was thinking throughout this whole process. Gimme a break. First you people say, "No one will ever understand God." Then you have others saying, "YEa thats the only reason why, I know because Im cool guyz."

As I said before, God is just a entity to pray to when you think you are in trouble. It gives people a sense of encouragement. Nothing more, Nothing less.

alienjep, surely a person as religious as you should know that Catholic and Christian are not different. C'mon people, do we need to make some type of giant chart so you all know where your part of Christianity falls?

Fin.

[redneck]

Raingul where the ..... do you live because you should really stop talking sh*t about stuff you clearly know nothing off.

In my lifetime I've lived in the USA, Holland, Italy, Switzerland, then Holland again. I spent a year in saudi arabia, but didn't technically "live there". I've also visited many places.

If you wanted to drop it you shouldn't have responded cause now im pissed off.

Too late to go back now.

First. My mother was a teacher in the Philadelphia School District for over 20 years. So don't sit there and tell me that kidz don't want to learn. You try learning when your books say "someday we will land on the moon" Its kinda hard to pass any kind of state test when your scores are so low because the buildings don't get the funding they need. Kidz aren't stupid they know bullshit when they see bullshit and most of them have families to feed and bills to help pay because they're parents are either out of work due to lay offs or working to many jobs and still not keeping up. Eventually there comes a decision which you will NEVER IN YOUR LIFE have to make. Stay in school and get an education or go out on the street and earn money to support yourself anyway you know how. Most choose the latter because that reality.

You say that the school district is underfunded, well how do you think that started? Because at some point in time, the kids just didn't want to learn and then it all went down the drain.
You know what the first amendment is, right? It lets you have freedom of petition and assembly. You can use that to get what you want, but others have to be with you. So if everyone would just petition the government for more funding (which has been done before), they can ultimately recieve it.

Secondly. Im assuming your white because you have no idea how racist the American Justice system is. My whole families been preparing me for the age of 18 with stories and knowledge because they know as soon as i can be tried as an adult im a target. The prison systems are MONEY plain and simple if you look at the growth of prisons over history you will find that after slavery ended the amount of prisons skyrocketed and it wasn't because crime increased it was because they needed cheap labor. Prisons are one of the fastest growing economic industries you can buy stock in them now. The laws are set up where you can get more jail time for being in possession of drugs than you can get for selling it. What kind of sense if that if you have a problem you want to stop it at the source not after its been handed out.

Yeah I'm a white boy.
I don't understand your 18 thing. Are they telling you how to not get into trouble? Or what? If not, then how are they helping you? (By the way, that's not supposed to be offending if you think it is, it's a real question)
Yeah, everybody likes money.
Sometimes crime and punishment doesn't make sense. But then again it does make sense to do what they're doing. If they arrest people in possession of drugs, then it will make people not want to buy drugs. But if they arrest the dealers, then people won't be getting "their load of drugs", so then the drug dealing business will become really big (Like how the 18th amendment was supposed to lower crime rates, but it made it worse because everybody wanted alcohol). Then organized crime will be much better funded and bad things will happen.

Ask a racist why he hates black ppl and the dumb ones will say its cause they're n*ggers the dumber ones will say its because they're lazy good for nothing who do nothing but sit around and complain all day. Of course they'll be saying this while they are unemployed doing nothing all day. So don't throw out some bullshit that racism isn't based on skin color. Europeans specifically selected dark Africans to sell into slavery. If you were too light you got put back because they didn't want the connection of light skin color to be associated with slavery at all.

Who says that the racist has a bad life? You're making more steriotypes.
Yeah, the europeans believed that the whiter you were, the more intelligent you were. Honestly you can see why they thought it though, I'm not trying to sound like a douche, but this is all true. The white people have formed great societies spanning miles and miles, and then when they go to africa, the people there have a much more primitive life, hence they think that they're better.
It could have happened the other way around, but it just didn't.

and FYI last year a kid i know and his friends (all white) decided it would be a good idea to burn down the local childrens park and they all got caught on camera. But god forbid white ppl be accused of being criminals. You've got your head shoved so far up your little white ass you can't see racism even after claiming to have gone over the facts. To come up with that BS first line "your racist against racist" stfu and gtfo. You know nothing. You have experienced nothing. You have not even tried to look at things from another perspective. So stop pretending like you know sh*t and thinking its ok because you stick things like "im not sure" and "well i dunno but" into your paragraphs cause the message is clear and no im not calling you a racist im calling you an ignorant typical American.....

You just said the kids got caught though, and I'm sure they were punished accordingly.
You're being racist right now making fun of me because I'm white. I'm not a racist, you are.
You go up again and say I'm "a typical american". I don't really like america that much either, but there you go again, you're being racist.

im done here for the nite maybe /b/ can cheer me up...at least when they're shooting out racism and stereotypes they don't try to act innocent about it....

haha, /b/ lol.
I don't understand your last sentence. Who's shooting out racism and steriotypes? Nobody? /b/? Society?

I think I know what I'm talking about. I never really support what I'm saying, but I"m saying it for the sake that you all know that things have a basis.

If something doesn't have a basis then it's pointless.

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?
God created humans to worship him...if God didn't created Lucifer we humans will have no sins at all, and if we are perfect we won't worship God.

Hmmm I see.

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.
before God created the universe He already know who what will happen, and everything that is happening to us now is His plan.


... What was the purpose of him making gays though?

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.
the religion of the Jews before Jesus was born and Jesus religion is the same. Jesus didn't setup a new religion

Yup.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.
because it's in the plan of God that humans will sin

Makes sense.

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
because it's the only way for our sins to be forgiven, if Jesus didn't die we won't have any saviour and we will all go to hell, by dying at the cross Jesus paid all the sins of men by His blood, so if we believe in Jesus and confess that He is our saviour He will cleanse us of our sins and will have eternal life when He return.

... How did him dying save us?

Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?
because that is the plan of God for Him, if Judas didn't betray Jesus he won't be arrested and Jesus will not die.

Ah yes, that makes sense.

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.
because if God kill all the evil in the world, the world will be perfect, and if the world is perfect we humans won't worship God.

I'm not trying to sound like a douche, but it seems like god is kinda worship-hungry! Lol.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?
you know that adam and eve are the first humans in Earth, and they worship God, they even talk to God in person, so since the beginning of Earth or mankind there is already God and His word.

That makes sense too.

Those were some good explanations, but explain why Jesus had to die please.

BURN!!! RAINGUL WINS AGAIN!!!

[avanti42]

Me personally i am a very lax christian.

i dont really go to church and believe in church to much but i do believe that there is something else after this life

as for the evolution thing. i believe in both

as for everyone else who have taken this whole thread to put down the everybody who believes in god, it cant be a very good life to believe in so little

[XemnasXD]

SD Raingul you are officially an idiot.

You say that the school district is underfunded, well how do you think that started? Because at some point in time, the kids just didn't want to learn and then it all went down the drain.
You know what the first amendment is, right? It lets you have freedom of petition and assembly. You can use that to get what you want, but others have to be with you. So if everyone would just petition the government for more funding (which has been done before), they can ultimately recieve it.

Were in a war right now. Ppl have been petitioning and assembling against it from day one and what does the Gov't do...they send in MORE troops. The gov't doesn't have to listen to the ppl and they've proved this time and time again. The schools were underfunded because the Gov't doesn't care about the education of minorities. They have also proved this time and time again. If you want to think its because minority children don't want to learn then your retarded like i said my mom was a teacher and she spent her whole career teaching students who wanted to learn and when they didn't she taught them anyway. There are assholes who don't want to be in school everywhere its not a minority thing its a teenage phase.

Yeah I'm a white boy.
I don't understand your 18 thing. Are they telling you how to not get into trouble? Or what? If not, then how are they helping you? (By the way, that's not supposed to be offending if you think it is, it's a real question)
Yeah, everybody likes money.
Sometimes crime and punishment doesn't make sense. But then again it does make sense to do what they're doing. If they arrest people in possession of drugs, then it will make people not want to buy drugs. But if they arrest the dealers, then people won't be getting "their load of drugs", so then the drug dealing business will become really big (Like how the 18th amendment was supposed to lower crime rates, but it made it worse because everybody wanted alcohol). Then organized crime will be much better funded and bad things will happen.

Organized crime are the ones selling and funding the drug trade in the US. If they really wanted to stop it they'd go for the source. Thats a simple basic well known strategy that if you cut off the head the body will fall. Since they choose not to cut off the head i can only assume they don't want to halt the entire drug trade, they just need a way to fill prisons. And since your white i don't expect you to understand the complex social situation thats involved here because you'd probably refute it with some bullsh*t excuse like "the gov't loves ppl and would never do anything to hurt them unless they deserve it and minorities deserve it"

Who says that the racist has a bad life? You're making more steriotypes.
Yeah, the europeans believed that the whiter you were, the more intelligent you were. Honestly you can see why they thought it though, I'm not trying to sound like a douche, but this is all true. The white people have formed great societies spanning miles and miles, and then when they go to africa, the people there have a much more primitive life, hence they think that they're better.
It could have happened the other way around, but it just didn't.

DUMBA** DUMBA** DUMBA**

Africa had empires that stretched across the entire continent. When Africa was building cities europeans were still living in caves and huts. Go look up some history before you come tell me that africa was primitive. Everything that europe had it stole. From the Africans from the Arabs and from the Asians. They stole Science they stole mathematics they stole and copied their ways of life and claimed it for themselves. Africa and Arabia once housed universities of learning that were renowned throughout the entire known world. Yeah believe it or not Kings used to send their children out of Europe to get an education. Shows how much you know.

You just said the kids got caught though, and I'm sure they were punished accordingly.
You're being racist right now making fun of me because I'm white. I'm not a racist, you are.
You go up again and say I'm "a typical american". I don't really like america that much either, but there you go again, you're being racist.

If you don't think your racist your kidding yourself. You think that Africans are a primitive race. You think that minorities are all criminals and refuse to believe the justice system has any bias against them. If yoru not racist you've got one hell of a bias against non-whites. And if you think im racist i wouldn't go that far but i'd say you can trace 90% of the worlds problems back to europeans and that is a fact just take a step back and look. Africa is farked up because Europe got a lock on its entire economy and refuse to let go even after they no longer considered them colonies. The same can be said about South America. The middle east was one of the few areas to escape that kind of devastation but over the last 50 years its become a warzone thats to outside influence....

You cannot argue against me in this because you will lose. You will lose because you are ignorant and because you are wrong. Maybe if you were smarter (say dom) you might be able to put up a defense thats more than low grade bullsh*t but what your spewing out wasn't even worth writing



@Barotix im sorry to trash your thread i hope it doesn't get locked even if raingul makes a bullsh*t response i won't respond.....srry again