Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[Shadowman20818]

Creationism in it's entire state is flawed. There hasn't been any scientific proof that creationism is true. All it is based on are books that religious sects write, many of the facts are wrong.


The church once defended that the earth was the center of the universe and the moon has no imperfections, that was proven wrong. It is only a matter of time before creationism is proven wrong.

[Itonami]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

[crazyskwrls]

It proves that you know nothing outside your beliefs, or your parents. That's ignorance and until you read up on you should abstain from posting.

if you know everything then how come you dont understand what i am talking about then?

Where did I say I know everything?

You assumed I know everything.

>< r u retarded like i said i just did some searching there are 3 main branch of buddahism!!!!!

ur describing one branch of it while i descrbed another, that is y none of our info matched, it is really that hard to comprehend?

Okay i probably should stop now this is truning into a flame, go back to what the topic is really about now

i think
creationism suks
evolution FTW

[XemnasXD]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

*explodes*

[StealMySoda]

We actually had a guy come to our school to talk about all this a week or 2 ago.

He was all "There must be an external force, I believe in God and the bible"
And the few people who were there disagreeing.

I learnt ALOT tho, and it was very interesting.

[StaticX]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

[dom]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Then who created that someone? Someone else?

You can prove that particles and atoms exist, and were created at one point in eternity. However, you cannot prove that someone created something capable of creating said particles and atoms.

[StealMySoda]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

[StaticX]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

[Shadowman20818]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

No, but apparently you can have a giant invisible all powerful all knowing being that creates creatures and give them sin, then blames them for the sin although he created sin in the first place, but it's the humans' fault.

Now that I put it like that, it does seem more likely.

[dom]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

Why not? The existence of God is much more abstract than that.

[StaticX]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

Why not? The existence of God is much more abstract than that.

BAHH! I'm not brilliant enough and or religious enough to answer these! I'm just trying to get the point across something had to of happened to have created the begining of everything.

[Rainigul]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

He created himself... DUH!



Also, I think the only logical explanation to the creation of everything is that it always existed, and there was no beginning of the universe.

That doesn't make much sense, but it makes more sense than something coming out of nowhere.

Big law in science: Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

That means that all matter always existed, it didn't just pop into place.

[Itonami]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

1337-powered persons don't pop out of nowhere either.

[dom]

Big law in science: Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

That means that all matter always existed, it didn't just pop into place.

I'm liking.

[Barotix]

oO
the topic went OT for one page...

btw im agnostic not christian, dont bundle me in with those who are ignorant of thier own history.

my view of "God" is not the same as god in a christian sense.
but a more understandle view.

since this topic has become entwined with the "god concept"
i might as well allow the enlightment 2 continue.

also the reason the personified the "god concept" was to make it more understandable.

our human brain is not yet capable of understanding the "god concept"

but you must understand ancient people did not view religion the way we do today.

also it seems some of ya'll have a wierd christian "God" fixation
i know my catholic history.
ive been taught it from birth, but i dont accept it as correct.
not only that, but christians are 2 divided.

im agnostic, and dont you forget it

also in all religions including buddhism there are different schools of thought, so plz do not flame some1 for presenting thier point of view (im talking 2 you dom)

my favorite form of buddhism is the chinese version; which in japan is called zen.

also the answer 2 everything is nothing, nothing is everything (i'll explain l8er)

lets see where this thread goes now....

[-Evan]

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?

@Xemnas

If you were saying that god doesn't exist to me, or whatever, you shouldn't have... I mean, like... You can put down people's beliefs, but you shouldn't put down a general idea... Y'know what I mean?

Like... I dunno, I think there's a goddess (omg I'm like a devil worshipper (Is what the christians are thinking)).
Why is it a goddess? Because it is... there are reasons, but people are gonna think I'm weird if I say them.

I dunno, I think I"m kind of just talking now.

The vatican would probably say..... "God loves us that's why he did those things"...


wtf!... LMAO.

I'm baptized Christian.... but here's the catch.... I don't believe in Christianity.

[Rainigul]

Nothing is everything and everything is nothing.

So that means like... Hmm, I think I understand.

Like... nothing matters, but at the same time everything does. Right?

Also, I think it's kind of stupid how people still follow really old religions, I mean, the whole reason these religions were made was to get kids to stop asking questions about where they came from and stuff.
Then someone took it really serious and wrote it all down.

I like what dom said about how buddha said you should believe what you think is right. That's good advise.

I'm baptized Christian.... but here's the catch.... I don't believe in Christianity.

Yeah, I'm baptized too.

What's the point of being baptized anyways, isn't it supposed to like wash away the "original sin"?

That doesn't make any sense too, your parents have been cleansed of this 'original sin', but you are still born with it.

[dom]

I didn't flame for having a different view, I flammed for being called incorrect by someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about, let alone when I was trying to explain.

As for the God subject; I feel it was warranted. When discussing creationism, the best and one of the few ways to disprove it, is to disprove the existence of God. If you can do that, it's impossible for creationism to be true.

[Rainigul]

I didn't flame for having a different view, I flammed for being called incorrect by someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about, let alone when I was trying to explain.

As for the God subject; I feel it was warranted. When discussing creationism, the best and one of the few ways to disprove it, is to disprove the existence of God. If you can do that, it's impossible for creationism to be true.

I don't agree with creationism, but you can't really disprove it. I think that's the whole reason people believe it in the first place.

[EDIT:]

I mean, you can't disprove god.

[Belgarath]

I didn't flame for having a different view, I flammed for being called incorrect by someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about, let alone when I was trying to explain.

As for the God subject; I feel it was warranted. When discussing creationism, the best and one of the few ways to disprove it, is to disprove the existence of God. If you can do that, it's impossible for creationism to be true.

I don't agree with creationism, but you can't really disprove it. I think that's the whole reason people believe it in the first place.

[EDIT:]

I mean, you can't disprove god.

The problem is, we don't know anything about the formation of the Earth. Some say science is right, by using telescopes and the dating of stars, etc. Some believe in religion. It all comes down to opinions and there will never be a unanimous one. If there was a God, I think the worst thing created was opinions.

Personally I believe science to a great extent. Until more evidence is found on either side of the debate, all we can do is sit here and bicker over who thinks theyre right.

Edit: Atheist BTW.

[Barotix]

I didn't flame for having a different view, I flammed for being called incorrect by someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about, let alone when I was trying to explain.

As for the God subject; I feel it was warranted. When discussing creationism, the best and one of the few ways to disprove it, is to disprove the existence of God. If you can do that, it's impossible for creationism to be true.

I don't agree with creationism, but you can't really disprove it. I think that's the whole reason people believe it in the first place.

[EDIT:]

I mean, you can't disprove god.

god is 2 abstract, but evolution will fix that.
humans just keep on getting better.

also about gays.
i think they serve a genetic purpose.

as the earth gets overpopulated, some are born with a disposition towards the oppisite sex, to control overpopulation.

natures little way of saying there are two many of us humans.
i love evolution, but i also love humanities fixation with the unexplainable. we have abstract thinking to solve problems, that would otherwise be unsolvable, but certain thoughts are hard 2 reject; simply because we cannot prove them nor disprove them.

originally fear was an evolutionary adaptation that increased the survival rate of humans, but it was capitalized on by religous institutions.

as humans grow more sedentary and logical in thought ( i think we are moving forward, and backward towards the days of aristotle and plato, just replace philosophy with the upgraded version known as scientific thought) are such concepts such as God even neccesary?

or will fear override logic, as it has done for so long?
then again logic dictates something started everything.
everything cant come from nothing.

you find yourself in a loop, and eventually realize nothing yet everything is important.

nothing is something, but what?

argh 2 much abstractness 4 now, lets keep this thread going...

[Jstar1]

evolution FTW

its something you can't deny

theres too much proof

[Xyzzzy]

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.

Also, why did he send his son down to die for people's sins? That makes no sense WHAT SO EVER. How did his dying save people's souls?
Why did jesus LET one of his apostles betray him?

Also, if somehow you're able to explain all of the above. Then why didn't god just kill evil or something? That'd be what a Hindu god would do.

Plus, what happens to the people who were born before jesus was born? Or what if "the word of god" has not been told to them? Do they go to hell because they weren't born in the right place at the right time?

@Xemnas

If you were saying that god doesn't exist to me, or whatever, you shouldn't have... I mean, like... You can put down people's beliefs, but you shouldn't put down a general idea... Y'know what I mean?

Like... I dunno, I think there's a goddess (omg I'm like a devil worshipper (Is what the christians are thinking)).
Why is it a goddess? Because it is... there are reasons, but people are gonna think I'm weird if I say them.

I dunno, I think I"m kind of just talking now.

The vatican would probably say..... "God loves us that's why he did those things"...


wtf!... LMAO.

I'm baptized Christian.... but here's the catch.... I don't believe in Christianity.

I'm in the same boat

[StaticX]

This topic if very interesting. Yes it has changed, but still is staying in its general direction!

as the earth gets overpopulated, some are born with a disposition towards the oppisite sex, to control overpopulation.

natures little way of saying there are two many of us humans.

I've never thought about it that way. I don't think out side the box i guess

[redneck]

God doesn't exist. The i don't see how ppl think some giant man is up in the sky controlling your entire life. Thats a cop-out religion is a cop-out. It allows ppl to justify or unjustify whatever they want. Its a grow mans fairy-tale if you fall into this trap you end up like folin who after being slammed with evidence that contradicts his god and his bible, still believes it. Or you can end up like Redneck....a racist douche who thinks that mindless hatred is a part of Gods wonderful plan.



Here some more things to derail your great god theory. All of these questions of course are based on the FACT (if your Christian) that God is ALL knowing and ALL powerful meaning there is nothing he cannot know and there is nothing he cannot do.

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.

*waits for retarded arguments stating that God does it because he gives you the choice. Because, you know, having the choice is SO MUCH BETTER than spending eternity in hell.*

*counters the argument ahead of time by stating that God is all knowing and so will know every choice we have and will ever make yet he still allows us to exist to make that choice then punishes us for it*

*counters with Hurricane Katrina was God's failed attempt at whiping out the gay district in New Orleans, and despite the fact that all the quarters around it were destroyed and it was left unharmed God still hates gays; and Global Warming is one of the modern plagues that God has sent to make us repent (yeah, I came up with the global warming one myself! watch for it next week on those church shows)

ok..the mindless and other crap i can take but douche??? ur crossing the line buddy. No im not really that racist but i do believe in stereo-types (doesnt make me racist). Only thing that i can hate is WoW and gays... Plain and simple. and dam this thread is getting frigging long

[redneck]

God doesn't exist. The i don't see how ppl think some giant man is up in the sky controlling your entire life. Thats a cop-out religion is a cop-out. It allows ppl to justify or unjustify whatever they want. Its a grow mans fairy-tale if you fall into this trap you end up like folin who after being slammed with evidence that contradicts his god and his bible, still believes it. Or you can end up like Redneck....a racist douche who thinks that mindless hatred is a part of Gods wonderful plan.



Here some more things to derail your great god theory. All of these questions of course are based on the FACT (if your Christian) that God is ALL knowing and ALL powerful meaning there is nothing he cannot know and there is nothing he cannot do.

Why would god create Lucifier knowing he would rebel and cause the creation of sin?

Why would God create ppl knowing some would "choose" to be gay and then punish them for something he already knew they were going to do.

Why would god call the Jews his Chosen ppl then send his son to set up a whole different dogma of religion.

Why did god create Eve knowing she would eat from the tree and introduce suffering to the world.

*waits for retarded arguments stating that God does it because he gives you the choice. Because, you know, having the choice is SO MUCH BETTER than spending eternity in hell.*

*counters the argument ahead of time by stating that God is all knowing and so will know every choice we have and will ever make yet he still allows us to exist to make that choice then punishes us for it*

chillax guys -_-
also dont think of God from a "human" point of view.

think of God as an it or so to speak the universe itself.
meh.

anyhoo back on topic pls
Evolution (although a religion thread and the God fixation would be much better, i will make 1 after this 1)

If you are a Christian you believe in the bible and the bible clearly states that man was modeled in the image of God and then continues to personify God by giving him traits such as love and anger and the need to rest.

Dammmmnnnnnnnn. Some of you people are gooood at thinking up stuff.

That also means god must have gay thoughts because some people are gay.

Or are gays not people anymore?

Nice try, but argumentational fallacies are not taken seriously.

of course gay arent people... theyre evil little satans evolved from monkeys...didnt u watch the video?

[XemnasXD]

WoW and Gays......you really are quite the redneck aren't you

[StealMySoda]

My view: If we were created, where did the creator come from?

You ask where did the creator come from, then ask your self where did the universe come from. It can't just pop in place. I'm not all into space terms but like for instance a galaxy or what not exploded and made it. How did that get there? You see "Someone" had to of been the "Allmighty" and had to creat atoms/particles which led to the creation of planets/people ^_^

Its just naive to say, "there isn't anyway to explain it, so it must be an 'almighty' being that created it".

Then how did they just get there. Something had to have a certian power to place it there. You can't just have stuff pop out of no where.

Why not? The existence of God is much more abstract than that.

BAHH! I'm not brilliant enough and or religious enough to answer these! I'm just trying to get the point across something had to of happened to have created the begining of everything.

This is the point of your argument:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[redneck]

WoW and Gays......you really are quite the redneck aren't you