Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[Rainigul]

I think I get it now.

Yeah, but everyone exaggerates from time to time.

[dom]

It cannot be proved that man evolved from monkeys, nor can it be proved that man was created. I chose to believe i was created.

But what can be proven is that the bible is an unreliable source full of old sumarian tales and myths.

On a more serious note: Are you refering to the Epic of Gilgamesh(idk, I think i saw it mentioned in this thread somewhere)? Examples please?
Funny that this should come up the week I'm studying it.

It might be a while before i respond again as i have things to do.

All the tales, read all, from adam and eve, noa, etc. are all tales from that region. Dating from 3500 BC to the greco-roman period around the time Jesus was born.

[Rainigul]

Not all of them.

What about the tales of jesus?

But yeah, the bible is a composite book.

[dom]

Not all of them.

What about the tales of jesus?

But yeah, the bible is a composite book.

I was refering to the old testament. The new testament is made up of accounts taken from people who knew people, who knew people, who knew the apostles. From those, the catholic church was very selective and manipulative to form the earlier version of the modern bible which we read now.

First off, the Catholic church was extremely corrupt. You just have to look Julius II, or the other two popes of his period. To add to that, the original Catholic bible was revised afterwards to suit the protestant denominations' needs.

The bible is everyone's bitch. Every sect has rewrote it the way they wanted to justify their power. And the rewrite was done on a children's fairy tale book.

[XemnasXD]

Not all of them.

What about the tales of jesus?

But yeah, the bible is a composite book.

I was refering to the old testament. The new testament is made up of accounts taken from people who knew people, who knew people, who knew the apostles. From those, the catholic church was very selective and manipulative to form the earlier version of the modern bible which we read now.

First off, the Catholic church was extremely corrupt. You just have to look Julius II, or the other two popes of his period. To add to that, the original Catholic bible was revised afterwards to suit the protestant denominations' needs.

The bible is everyone's bitch. Every sect has rewrote it the way they wanted to justify their power. And the rewrite was done on a children's fairy tale book.

QFT

[Rainigul]

Not all of them.

What about the tales of jesus?

But yeah, the bible is a composite book.

I was refering to the old testament. The new testament is made up of accounts taken from people who knew people, who knew people, who knew the apostles. From those, the catholic church was very selective and manipulative to form the earlier version of the modern bible which we read now.

First off, the Catholic church was extremely corrupt. You just have to look Julius II, or the other two popes of his period. To add to that, the original Catholic bible was revised afterwards to suit the protestant denominations' needs.

The bible is everyone's bitch. Every sect has rewrote it the way they wanted to justify their power. And the rewrite was done on a children's fairy tale book.

Yup, but now that the bible REALLY needs changing to catch up with the times, nobody wants to do it.

[dom]

FUN FACT: Until the 1960s, mass was in latin. At the renaissance, and the birth of protestant denominations (height of intellectualism in the dark ages) only, at best, 2% of monks understood latin. Before the printing press, they were in charge of copying those latin bibles.

Rewriting thousands of pages of a book written in a language you don't know = phail. That's one of the reasonings used in holy blood holy grail, the whole "sang graal" in da vinci code.

[StaticX]

Well here is my oppion. I'm not a big beliver in god and all that stuff. For all i care (Don't hate) it's bs, but really you have to think about it. You have to of had someone make the galaxies, space, then which turned into earth ect. So there must be someone who did do that. Next I think we are off spring of retarded fish frogs having butt secks with other retarded animals which finaly came us! south park!

[XemnasXD]

FUN FACT: Until the 1960s, mass was in latin. At the renaissance, and the birth of protestant denominations (height of intellectualism in the dark ages) only, at best, 2% of monks understood latin. Before the printing press, they were in charge of copying those latin bibles.

Rewriting thousands of pages of a book written in a language you don't know = phail. That's one of the reasonings used in holy blood holy grail, the whole "sang graal" in da vinci code.

I hear that book makes writers angry for some reason

[dom]

Well here is my oppion. I'm not a big beliver in god and all that stuff. For all i care (Don't hate) it's bs, but really you have to think about it. You have to of had someone make the galaxies, space, then which turned into earth ect. So there must be someone who did do that. Next I think we are off spring of retarded fish frogs having butt secks with other retarded animals which finaly came us! south park!

The way I see it is, if God created us, he created us imperfect. He gave us the gifts of choice and forgiveness. If he does exist, you do not need to repent. You simply need to live life as a good person, to the best of your ability. You must not limit your life experiences to the confines dictated by religion.

If he exists he wants you to live. If you make mistakes on the way, he will forgive you.

And just for more indepth on my beliefs. Until I was old enough to start exploring history and theology on my own, I was a VERY proud and believing catholic. When I was old enough to understand how the world works, and mature enough to understand how it should work, the logic behind God's existence and the Church no longer seemed logical to me. I am currently in transition. I would love to be religious, the feeling of belonging to something bigger than myself is something I wish for. After speaking to my father (a buddhist) and visiting the local temple and speaking to monks a few times, i'm trying to convert to buddhism. However, until I truly understand how the world works, I will never have the faith to be part of any religion.

[XemnasXD]

its human nature to want to feel part of something bigger.

[Rainigul]

Well here is my oppion. I'm not a big beliver in god and all that stuff. For all i care (Don't hate) it's bs, but really you have to think about it. You have to of had someone make the galaxies, space, then which turned into earth ect. So there must be someone who did do that. Next I think we are off spring of retarded fish frogs having butt secks with other retarded animals which finaly came us! south park!

The way I see it is, if God created us, he created us imperfect. He gave us the gifts of choice and forgiveness. If he does exist, you do not need to repent. You simply need to live life as a good person, to the best of your ability. You must not limit your life experiences to the confines dictated by religion.

If he exists he wants you to live. If you make mistakes on the way, he will forgive you.

And just for more indepth on my beliefs. Until I was old enough to start exploring history and theology on my own, I was a VERY proud and believing catholic. When I was old enough to understand how the world works, and mature enough to understand how it should work, the logic behind God's existence and the Church no longer seemed logical to me. I am currently in transition. I would love to be religious, the feeling of belonging to something bigger than myself is something I wish for. After speaking to my father (a buddhist) and visiting the local temple and speaking to monks a few times, i'm trying to convert to buddhism. However, until I truly understand how the world works, I will never have the faith to be part of any religion.

Buddhism is pretty cool. But it doesn't really explain anything.

What I mean is, it's not a religion.. Of course, you should know that. It's a way of life, and you seem to want to live life to the fullest.
Maybe you do think Buddhism would help you achieve that, but I'll tell you it will take forever to achieve enlightenment, and you being on the computer is not helping.
And I mean that like really literally. Being on the computer isn't helping, not because it's a waste of time or whatever... But because it is! LOL!
I mean, I think I might sound like I"m trying to say you're stupid or something for being on the computer, but Buddhism teaches that materials cause suffering, and it's true, but for Buddhism to work, we have to revert to an animalistic primitive state of nature. That's quite anti-progressial.

Buddhism's cool, but I don't think it's relevant in todays society.

[BlackFox]

There is no god is only ppl who want to belive it..and this crazy think about we was created oh no .. well Something is in universe there but not god and no hell.. we are born to think and is always ppl who want power to make ppl belive what you want.. And this storys long time ago who wrote it ..yes a human not god. if god was why make a hell to some good ppl .. and well we do it self to reduce us etc. war , disaster and so on. not god. is many thing really does i dont belive at all in god.

[XemnasXD]

Well here is my oppion. I'm not a big beliver in god and all that stuff. For all i care (Don't hate) it's bs, but really you have to think about it. You have to of had someone make the galaxies, space, then which turned into earth ect. So there must be someone who did do that. Next I think we are off spring of retarded fish frogs having butt secks with other retarded animals which finaly came us! south park!

The way I see it is, if God created us, he created us imperfect. He gave us the gifts of choice and forgiveness. If he does exist, you do not need to repent. You simply need to live life as a good person, to the best of your ability. You must not limit your life experiences to the confines dictated by religion.

If he exists he wants you to live. If you make mistakes on the way, he will forgive you.

And just for more indepth on my beliefs. Until I was old enough to start exploring history and theology on my own, I was a VERY proud and believing catholic. When I was old enough to understand how the world works, and mature enough to understand how it should work, the logic behind God's existence and the Church no longer seemed logical to me. I am currently in transition. I would love to be religious, the feeling of belonging to something bigger than myself is something I wish for. After speaking to my father (a buddhist) and visiting the local temple and speaking to monks a few times, i'm trying to convert to buddhism. However, until I truly understand how the world works, I will never have the faith to be part of any religion.

Buddhism is pretty cool. But it doesn't really explain anything.

What I mean is, it's not a religion.. Of course, you should know that. It's a way of life, and you seem to want to live life to the fullest.
Maybe you do think Buddhism would help you achieve that, but I'll tell you it will take forever to achieve enlightenment, and you being on the computer is not helping.
And I mean that like really literally. Being on the computer isn't helping, not because it's a waste of time or whatever... But because it is! LOL!
I mean, I think I might sound like I"m trying to say you're stupid or something for being on the computer, but Buddhism teaches that materials cause suffering, and it's true, but for Buddhism to work, we have to revert to an animalistic primitive state of nature. That's quite anti-progressial.

Buddhism's cool, but I don't think it's relevant in todays society.

Buddhism explains alot. It has a clear defined take on how the universe began and how it will end. I would explain it but i don't know all the proper words and wouldn't do it justice.

[dom]

but Buddhism teaches that materials cause suffering, and it's true, but for Buddhism to work, we have to revert to an animalistic primitive state of nature. That's quite anti-progressial.

That's Hinduism. First rule of Buddhism: only you can understand what it takes for you to achieve enlightenment. That's very accommodating. Also, I am more Mahayana in thinking. It's more important to help others than to worry about whether owning an ipod is vain.

[crazyskwrls]

Well here is my oppion. I'm not a big beliver in god and all that stuff. For all i care (Don't hate) it's bs, but really you have to think about it. You have to of had someone make the galaxies, space, then which turned into earth ect. So there must be someone who did do that. Next I think we are off spring of retarded fish frogs having butt secks with other retarded animals which finaly came us! south park!

The way I see it is, if God created us, he created us imperfect. He gave us the gifts of choice and forgiveness. If he does exist, you do not need to repent. You simply need to live life as a good person, to the best of your ability. You must not limit your life experiences to the confines dictated by religion.

If he exists he wants you to live. If you make mistakes on the way, he will forgive you.

And just for more indepth on my beliefs. Until I was old enough to start exploring history and theology on my own, I was a VERY proud and believing catholic. When I was old enough to understand how the world works, and mature enough to understand how it should work, the logic behind God's existence and the Church no longer seemed logical to me. I am currently in transition. I would love to be religious, the feeling of belonging to something bigger than myself is something I wish for. After speaking to my father (a buddhist) and visiting the local temple and speaking to monks a few times, i'm trying to convert to buddhism. However, until I truly understand how the world works, I will never have the faith to be part of any religion.

Buddhism is pretty cool. But it doesn't really explain anything.

What I mean is, it's not a religion.. Of course, you should know that. It's a way of life, and you seem to want to live life to the fullest.
Maybe you do think Buddhism would help you achieve that, but I'll tell you it will take forever to achieve enlightenment, and you being on the computer is not helping.
And I mean that like really literally. Being on the computer isn't helping, not because it's a waste of time or whatever... But because it is! LOL!
I mean, I think I might sound like I"m trying to say you're stupid or something for being on the computer, but Buddhism teaches that materials cause suffering, and it's true, but for Buddhism to work, we have to revert to an animalistic primitive state of nature. That's quite anti-progressial.

Buddhism's cool, but I don't think it's relevant in todays society.

how is buddhism not a religion?!!?!! it is the same bulshit as christanity, islam, hindu, shintoism.... all based on a omnipotent kid who can controll everything because he is god

retarded fact: a guy who was arrested for dui, caught with cocaine, did drugs, was a bully when he was in school, went to jail for some years.... believe he is jesus..... and millions of people around the world believe in him, a person who used to have over 10 million dollars now live in an apartment because he donated all his money to this "jesus"

[dom]

how is buddhism not a religion?!!?!! it is the same bulshit as christanity, islam, hindu, shintoism.... all based on a omnipotent kid who can controll everything because he is god

For starters, there is no God in Buddhism.

Less ignorance before postage please.

[crazyskwrls]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

u should be more carefull when posting, buddahism is not religion

[Belgarath]

Raised a Christian I as taught the usual stuff. But, everyone has a right to form their own opinions right? Once I decided to think for myself, I realized how much I hated the concept of faith, God, and religion itself. Religion IMO is just a way for people to feel important. There are many things humans do just to make themselves look better. Religion is one of those. We want to feel needed by a higher power.

Christianity, specifically, has way too many loopholes. As I said before, I hate faith. And when you have to use blind faith, come on now! Don't you honestly think that God would have shown himself to us "3rd milleniers (made up word)." He expects 1 billion people to worship him and turn their life over to him without one shred of undisputable evidence? Sorry, too much reliance on things that are just a little abstract.

People say, "We evolved from monkeys? Thats CRAZY! No way in hell we did that." But can't you argue the same way back? How is a higher being creating the universe with a flick of his wrist crazier than evolution?

If I'm wrong, so be it. I'd rather go to hell living the life that I wanted to, instead of asskissing some all powerful ruler with no light at the end of the tunnel after I die.

Gonna have to agree with dom here. Evolution. Final Answer.

Don't know where I heard it, but I'll leave you with a quote.

"God did not create man; man created God."

[dom]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

Buddha is not a God. He's an example and a teacher. He's often quoted for saying something vaguely similar to: don't listen to anyone who preaches about religion. Only you can decide what works for you. Because of the teachings and lack of dogma and rites, it's reguarded as a philosophy.


Like Martin Luther said, the father of all you "Christians": I am a ripe shit, and life is a wide asshole.

[Draquish]

I believe the bible goes along nicely w/ evolution.

6kyrold universe? Nope.

[crazyskwrls]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

Buddha is not a God. He's an example and a teacher. He's often quoted for saying something vaguely similar to: don't listen to anyone who preaches about religion. Only you can decide what works for you. Because of the teachings and lack of dogma and rites, it's reguarded as a philosophy.


Like Martin Luther said, the father of all you "Christians": I am a ripe shit, and life is a wide asshole.

um... i am not exactly sure but i think you got confuscious and buddha mixed up, wulaifu is the almight thing in bud. he have alot of other "godly figures" working for him, buddah is really a servant of wulaifu, and so is a pusa, there is yeiwanagyei, the hell person, also works for wu, i

edit: think i spelled wulaifu wrong i think it is lulaifuo ><

[dom]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

Buddha is not a God. He's an example and a teacher. He's often quoted for saying something vaguely similar to: don't listen to anyone who preaches about religion. Only you can decide what works for you. Because of the teachings and lack of dogma and rites, it's reguarded as a philosophy.


Like Martin Luther said, the father of all you "Christians": I am a ripe shit, and life is a wide asshole.

um... i am not exactly sure but i think you got confuscious and buddha mixed up, wulaifu is the almight thing in bud. he have alot of other "godly figures" working for him, buddah is really a servant of wulaifu, and so is a pusa, there is yeiwanagyei, the hell person, also works for wu, i

edit: think i spelled wulaifu wrong i think it is lulaifu

Please, for the sake of whichever God or philosophy you believe in, read up the material discussed before you write another retarded post.

Start here: http://www.buddhamind.info/leftside/sum ... ght-is.htm

What sets Buddhism apart from
other religions?

Outwardly there are obvious differences like dress, rituals, imagery, symbols, language, etc. On a doctrinal level one major distinction is that Buddhism is non-theistic - it proposes no creator God. While a whole cosmology can be found, with different heaven and hell realms, there is no suggestion of a single or separate being or thing 'in charge'.
What makes Buddhism truly unique is the teaching on impersonality or not-self - anatta. It is a difficult concept to grasp. The basic religious and philosophical question is 'who or what am I?' A classic Buddhist reply might be: 'a continually self-consuming process of arising and passing bodily and mental phenomena'. That's me huh? Nothing much. The Buddha proposed three conditions for all existence: impermanence, unsatisfactoriness and not-self. Following this logically we see that because a thing is impermanent it can't be relied on, it is ultimately unsatisfactory. Because it is unsatisfactory it is not suitable or wise to relate to this (or any)thing as ultimately who or what I am. I am not this, not that. Reversing this idea the search is then either for that which is truly permanent or for a non-relative identity. If my sense of self is not fixed as relative to anything then it has no substance, it is merely a process that can be observed and known.
What is it that knows?

[XemnasXD]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

Buddha is not a God. He's an example and a teacher. He's often quoted for saying something vaguely similar to: don't listen to anyone who preaches about religion. Only you can decide what works for you. Because of the teachings and lack of dogma and rites, it's reguarded as a philosophy.


Like Martin Luther said, the father of all you "Christians": I am a ripe shit, and life is a wide asshole.

um... i am not exactly sure but i think you got confuscious and buddha mixed up, wulaifu is the almight thing in bud. he have alot of other "godly figures" working for him, buddah is really a servant of wulaifu, and so is a pusa, there is yeiwanagyei, the hell person, also works for wu, i

edit: think i spelled wulaifu wrong i think it is lulaifuo ><

The name the Buddha in buddhism used to have before he went by Buddha was Siddhartha....your really just jizzing out ignorance in every one of your post its embarrassing....

Know your Buddha!

[crazyskwrls]

r u kidding me there is no "god" it goes under a different name called buddah or shengxiang or pusa! like islam call god allah... they even have a name for god called wulaifu

Buddha is not a God. He's an example and a teacher. He's often quoted for saying something vaguely similar to: don't listen to anyone who preaches about religion. Only you can decide what works for you. Because of the teachings and lack of dogma and rites, it's reguarded as a philosophy.


Like Martin Luther said, the father of all you "Christians": I am a ripe shit, and life is a wide asshole.

um... i am not exactly sure but i think you got confuscious and buddha mixed up, wulaifu is the almight thing in bud. he have alot of other "godly figures" working for him, buddah is really a servant of wulaifu, and so is a pusa, there is yeiwanagyei, the hell person, also works for wu, i

edit: think i spelled wulaifu wrong i think it is lulaifu

Please, for the sake of whichever God or philosophy you believe in, read up the material discussed before you write another retarded post.

Start here: http://www.buddhamind.info/leftside/sum ... ght-is.htm

What sets Buddhism apart from
other religions?

Outwardly there are obvious differences like dress, rituals, imagery, symbols, language, etc. On a doctrinal level one major distinction is that Buddhism is non-theistic - it proposes no creator God. While a whole cosmology can be found, with different heaven and hell realms, there is no suggestion of a single or separate being or thing 'in charge'.
What makes Buddhism truly unique is the teaching on impersonality or not-self - anatta. It is a difficult concept to grasp. The basic religious and philosophical question is 'who or what am I?' A classic Buddhist reply might be: 'a continually self-consuming process of arising and passing bodily and mental phenomena'. That's me huh? Nothing much. The Buddha proposed three conditions for all existence: impermanence, unsatisfactoriness and not-self. Following this logically we see that because a thing is impermanent it can't be relied on, it is ultimately unsatisfactory. Because it is unsatisfactory it is not suitable or wise to relate to this (or any)thing as ultimately who or what I am. I am not this, not that. Reversing this idea the search is then either for that which is truly permanent or for a non-relative identity. If my sense of self is not fixed as relative to anything then it has no substance, it is merely a process that can be observed and known.
What is it that knows?

i just found out why my stuff does not agree with any of your stuff...
there are many forms of buddahism, yours is a more traditional stuff, mine is the chinese version of it, my parents are buddahism so i know what i am talking about, I AM NOT BABBLING ABOUT BULSHIT i'll try to get a link

[dom]

It proves that you know nothing outside your beliefs, or your parents. That's ignorance and until you read up on you should abstain from posting.

[crazyskwrls]

It proves that you know nothing outside your beliefs, or your parents. That's ignorance and until you read up on you should abstain from posting.

if you know everything then how come you dont understand what i am talking about then?

[XemnasXD]

It proves that you know nothing outside your beliefs, or your parents. That's ignorance and until you read up on you should abstain from posting.

harsh and extremely unfair....to act like you take NOTHING, including all the information you have ever received, at face value is bullsh*t. In this thread your doing pretty good but from comments in other threads you can tell that you take some issues from only personal experience and void the opinions of others in such matters.

[dom]

It proves that you know nothing outside your beliefs, or your parents. That's ignorance and until you read up on you should abstain from posting.

if you know everything then how come you dont understand what i am talking about then?

Where did I say I know everything?

You assumed I know everything. People always make that mistake than blame me for not being explicit about it. Would it help if I put it in my sig?

And Xemnas, it seems like i'm doing good because were on the same side. Normally, you would be on the other side and you would argue that i'm a racist bigot.

[Draquish]

You assumed I know everything.

MUAH!~