Rouge v.s Warrior?

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:12 pm

I am not sure if this thread is allowed in this section. And I apologize for not understanding where it goes. But to me placing this thread here is more appropriate. So moving on:

Rouges both Dagger or Crossbow V.S Warrior All One-Hander, Two-Hander or Dual Axe?

What do you think the differences are between these two classes are? What benefits each of the classes and builds in them? I wonder really, which is best performed now at cap 80 and which one will perform better at the later caps 90+.

Discussions only based on Rouges and Warriors (doesn't matter about weapons). I am making this thread so those who want to choose between a rouge and warrior can decide using this thread.

My Opinion:
Rouges = fast killers, adding a bard as sub meaning even faster. They deal great high damaged criticals as well. With other skills such as Mask Making and Copy something something ??? lol, makes the rouge more enjoyable lol.

Warriors = some may say it's boring, some may say they only like warriors for their averaged out weapon useage. 1H, Axe, and 2H. Some may even say they just want to play as warrior for the nice looking armor, hell I will lol.

iBilly · Post by **iBilly** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:14 pm

Hi there.

It's Rogue.

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:15 pm

iBilly wrote:Hi there.

It's Rogue.

Plain and simple eh? lol maybe you want to back up your decision.

Nodame · Post by **Nodame** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:16 pm

Raiden wrote:
iBilly wrote:Hi there.

It's Rogue.

Plain and simple eh? lol maybe you want to back up your decision.

no
he meant the spelling.

rouge is red in french.

Hijoputa · Post by **Hijoputa** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:16 pm

dunno if i find a lv 80 ROGUE i try.....

Tigerlein · Post by **Tigerlein** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:16 pm

Edit ur sig...its Rogue and yea rogue pwns...lol

DrunkiMunki · Post by **DrunkiMunki** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:18 pm

rogue ftw. Although i wanna advice you to try cleric as subclass 2.

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:18 pm

lol, oh oops.

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:19 pm

Leipo wrote:rogue ftw. Although i wanna advice you to try cleric as subclass 2.

Give me some reasons.

rumpleKillskin · Post by **rumpleKillskin** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:19 pm

If the rogue gets a few crits, he wins most likely. If not, well start running lol. I can only kill a few warrios (rogue here) , because im using plain npc gear, no high crit status. At least not until I hit 52, i have crit 18 daggers waiting for me

Raiden · Post by **Raiden** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:21 pm

rumpleKillskin wrote:If the rogue gets a few crits, he wins most likely. If not, well start running lol. I can only kill a few warrios (rogue here) , because im using plain npc gear, no high crit status. At least not until I hit 52, i have crit 18 daggers waiting for me

I see, though I wonder a lot. There are a lot of benefits for each class. And I can't even choose one lol. You have to admit, Euro 8-10th degrees look awsome.

Nodame · Post by **Nodame** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:23 pm

Raiden wrote:
Leipo wrote:rogue ftw. Although i wanna advice you to try cleric as subclass 2.

Give me some reasons.

bless gives u 45 seconds of really good def, in the case your hit gets blocked, or it's not enough to kill someone else in one hit... normally.. if the other person survives and attacks back... u're doomed.

the other skills i wouldn't really bother with rogue as they should be str based... healing wouldn't be too useful, maybe res perhaps... buffing goes away after u switch weapons...

I still see bard as a better choice for rogues..

Hijoputa · Post by **Hijoputa** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:23 pm

i kill full str chinese doing 2x10k crits with lv80 skill
and my 2 handed is crit 13 but 2 handed warr have a passive who give +1 to weapon crit for each 10 lvls thne 13+ 8x10 = crit 21 2 handed....
the 45 second warrior defensive buffs are cool...

EngravedDemon · Post by **EngravedDemon** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:28 pm

Hijoputa wrote:i kill full str chinese doing 2x10k crits with lv80 skill
and my 2 handed is crit 13 but 2 handed warr have a passive who give +1 to weapon crit for each 10 lvls thne 13+ 8x10 = crit 21 2 handed....
the 45 second warrior defensive buffs are cool...

Nice, 80 Warr... Can you post stats with updated gears?

DeShin · Post by **DeShin** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:28 pm

Rogue is fast in attacking speed.

Warrior have dull, KD, KB.

DrunkiMunki · Post by **DrunkiMunki** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:34 pm

DeShin wrote:Warrior have dull, KD, KB.

Rogue 2. and bleed.

If you wanna 1hit and be 1hitted - > rogue

Hijoputa · Post by **Hijoputa** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:36 pm

STATS (need pimp more my items)

poehalcho · Post by **poehalcho** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:43 pm

i vote rouge:

iBilly · Post by **iBilly** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:44 pm

A Warrior is the most annoying class for a Rogue to fight... fact.

If you're going to compare a PvP match between the two, I'd vote in the favour of Warrior, both with pimped gears... but a Rogue is better against mage classes than Warrior.

realfoxboy · Post by **realfoxboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:57 pm

It is very hard for a rogue to kill a fully buffed warrior (i mean only the warrior buffs which he performs himself).

The only way for the rogue to kill the warrior is to hit criticals like normal hits but even rogues can't do that too often.

On 10 fair 1on1 fights (no getting invisible and attacking from behind, after every death enough time to pot and buff, no external buffs from clerics and/or bards etc.) between a Warrior and a rogue on the same level range the warrior is going to win 7-8 of the fights.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:33 pm

realfoxboy wrote:It is very hard for a rogue to kill a fully buffed warrior (i mean only the warrior buffs which he performs himself).

The only way for the rogue to kill the warrior is to hit criticals like normal hits but even rogues can't do that too often.

On 10 fair 1on1 fights (no getting invisible and attacking from behind, after every death enough time to pot and buff, no external buffs from clerics and/or bards etc.) between a Warrior and a rogue on the same level range the warrior is going to win 7-8 of the fights.

of course the warrior will win if you remove rogues advantages

SomebodyFromTheMass · Post by **SomebodyFromTheMass** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:45 pm

Hmm... and what about Descry? Anyone can explain that skill, description is rather retarded.

realfoxboy · Post by **realfoxboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:50 pm

SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:Hmm... and what about Descry? Anyone can explain that skill, description is rather retarded.

it makes invisible rogues visible

blackfalcon · Post by **blackfalcon** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:50 pm

rogue: invisibility+godly crits= killing machine :cry:

realfoxboy · Post by **realfoxboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:52 pm

Behemoth wrote:
realfoxboy wrote:It is very hard for a rogue to kill a fully buffed warrior (i mean only the warrior buffs which he performs himself).

The only way for the rogue to kill the warrior is to hit criticals like normal hits but even rogues can't do that too often.

On 10 fair 1on1 fights (no getting invisible and attacking from behind, after every death enough time to pot and buff, no external buffs from clerics and/or bards etc.) between a Warrior and a rogue on the same level range the warrior is going to win 7-8 of the fights.

of course the warrior will win if you remove rogues advantages

ok let them do that too. warrior still has descry skill which eliminates that advantage...

SomebodyFromTheMass · Post by **SomebodyFromTheMass** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:02 pm

realfoxboy wrote:
SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:Hmm... and what about Descry? Anyone can explain that skill, description is rather retarded.

it makes invisible rogues visible

Yeah, but description says it doesn't work on you or your pt members, just people around you :S

realfoxboy · Post by **realfoxboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:12 pm

SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:
realfoxboy wrote:
SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:Hmm... and what about Descry? Anyone can explain that skill, description is rather retarded.

it makes invisible rogues visible

Yeah, but description says it doesn't work on you or your pt members, just people around you :S

Well i know from experience that it makes invisible rogues visible for myself. i killed some "invisible" thiefs with that skill

(sorry about the language =/ )

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:13 pm

descry works only with 10m range, xbow + passive + dist shot = 28m

realfoxboy · Post by **realfoxboy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:16 pm

Behemoth wrote:descry works only with 10m range, xbow + passive + dist shot = 28m

a warrior with hp buff can easily survive even a crit of that attack. for the second attack he will have his iron skin buff ready...

btw. the fully upgraded descry skill works for 20 meters afaik so it could reach a rogue which is not farmed.

Scrub · Post by **Scrub** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:41 pm

rouges seem to better than warriors...-_-....i have a warrior..and it does horrible damage...there slower killing...and not very strong in pvp....over half of the buff that they warrior skills get make them share there HP with the party or let them gain HP and make them even weaker...on the other hand rouges get stuff to lower there HP but make them a load more stronger...enabling them to 1 shot pretty much anything walking...or giving them stealth and making them even stronger...so pretty much over all rouges are the way to go if u want alot of HP...being able to tank if needed and being able to deal alot of damage when called upon