The North American Union (2010)

[XuChu]

yea right....
EU they've only merged in currency and it took them so long...
I doubt this will happen... I mean, America merging you gotta be kiddin' me.

[dom]

EU they've only merged in currency and it took them so long...

lol @ ignorance. Your points are no longer valid in this discussion.

If you don't understand the subject matter, please don't argue about it. Instead, go read some articles and educate yourself.

[grap3s04wr]

yea right....
EU they've only merged in currency and it took them so long...
I doubt this will happen... I mean, America merging you gotta be kiddin' me.

well, whats stopping them? are you the people doing anything about it? did you even know about any of this before i made the thread?

if anything the public might have a say but so far its all been done in secret, George bush has already agreed to it along with Mexicos pres and canada's pres, how are you gonna stop it?

continental unions have a long way to go till they can be successful in any case, not all countries in europe are in the EU / dont use the euro, the UK still doesn't, thank god, nothings being enforced at the moment which is a good thing

countries in unions still manage to maintain some national identity etc but of course that will all change

after all if there's gonna be 1 government to rule them all there's only gonna be 1 country

[Reise]

Globalization will be the end of the world as we know it. No question about that.

You're right it will be. Instead we'll have a unified single people, under one controlled economy. No other nations to war with, and no other nations to threaten our wellbeing. Even if it's two or three unified nations, it's still better than the hundreds we have now working toward their own gain. I'd rather have everyone part of the same nation, and work for the good of each other, instead of hundreds of separate nations working for themselves and against others.

the world doesn't work like that. Just because you put 2 groups of ppl under one unified flag doesn't mean they'll get along. Ever heard of civil wars or even the shit thats still happening in Israel/Palestine. The goal of globalization will not be to unify for peace, it'll be used to cause mass oppression with no opposition. A Global economy will only make it easier for the wealthy to stay in control of the circulation of money. These aren't crack pot theories either you can look at history and find tons of examples of empires who spanned into the territory of other nation bringing them under one rule by slaughter and deceit. The same thing is happening again just on a bigger scale.

You can ignore zeitgeist and just read about recent political decisions and past decisions and see a pattern the doesn't foreshadow anything great for the future if it persist

In the case of the NAU who is being slaughtered? Who's being forced? The EU is working fine as far as I can tell. There isn't a single ruling police state killing people to make sure they aren't threatened. Why do you think that would happen in any other case? Yeah bringing the world together is going to cause mass oppression, that makes tons of sense. What government can stand against that many people unified beneath it? The only possible way for globalization to work is if the people allow it. And so far they are, the EU is proof. The people decide what goes no matter what happens, it's always been that way. And if it's such a terrible evil thing, why is it still happening now with the coming of the supposed NAU? I think it's because you're looking at it the wrong way.

[XemnasXD]

Globalization will be the end of the world as we know it. No question about that.

You're right it will be. Instead we'll have a unified single people, under one controlled economy. No other nations to war with, and no other nations to threaten our wellbeing. Even if it's two or three unified nations, it's still better than the hundreds we have now working toward their own gain. I'd rather have everyone part of the same nation, and work for the good of each other, instead of hundreds of separate nations working for themselves and against others.

the world doesn't work like that. Just because you put 2 groups of ppl under one unified flag doesn't mean they'll get along. Ever heard of civil wars or even the shit thats still happening in Israel/Palestine. The goal of globalization will not be to unify for peace, it'll be used to cause mass oppression with no opposition. A Global economy will only make it easier for the wealthy to stay in control of the circulation of money. These aren't crack pot theories either you can look at history and find tons of examples of empires who spanned into the territory of other nation bringing them under one rule by slaughter and deceit. The same thing is happening again just on a bigger scale.

You can ignore zeitgeist and just read about recent political decisions and past decisions and see a pattern the doesn't foreshadow anything great for the future if it persist

In the case of the NAU who is being slaughtered? Who's being forced? The EU is working fine as far as I can tell. There isn't a single ruling police state killing people to make sure they aren't threatened. Why do you think that would happen in any other case? Yeah bringing the world together is going to cause mass oppression, that makes tons of sense. What government can stand against that many people unified beneath it? The only possible way for globalization to work is if the people allow it. And so far they are, the EU is proof. The people decide what goes no matter what happens, it's always been that way. And if it's such a terrible evil thing, why is it still happening now with the coming of the supposed NAU? I think it's because you're looking at it the wrong way.

in the case of the NAU the US will once again have a cheap source of free labor and i bet they'll tear Canada apart to get at its natural recourses. The cheap labor will mean minimum wage will probably be lowered. Its not like you'll be able to demand higher pay when you have an entire country of ppl willing to settle and take your job. This type of economic situation could easily be the start of a definitive class system in America where if you aren't born rich you will never be rich.

And as far as people having control the USA is a prime example. We have freedom of speech democracy etc etc. But look who our president is....someone WE as a country DID NOT VOTE FOR. GWB LOST the popular vote. So why is he in office. Its because of a system set up from the start to make sure that ppl can never EVER directly vote for the president. Its tactics like that that will be used to control, pacify, and delusion the population. And it won't be hard with distractions coming in every direction and propaganda being spewed out of every politicians mouth. Its hard to stay focus and dig deep to see the real issues. I bet 90% of the USA has no idea whats happening in Darfur and 90% of the rest of the world who have access to that kind of information do. The majority of the people in the US don't want to be in Iraq and yet we're sending in even more troops....but ppl standing up matter right, the govt couldn't possibly get away with ignoring the cries of the majority of its population right?

All you have to do is picture the ignorance and naivety of the US population WORLDWIDE and it becomes easy to picture the government getting away with massive oppression and mindless slaughter.

[Nuklear]

Religion is the major reason true 'unification' won't work.
OT: Meh, if it does happen it won't be anything major effecting the way we function.

[corkscrew]

i highly doubt itll happen, america isnt that stupid...

[Reise]

Dude, Xemnas, you're acting like the government controls everything already. A lot of the things you think are gonna happen are "coulds" and "ifs." We're sending troops to Iraq because we have to clean up the mess we made. We can't just leave and say "you deal with it" because that would be even worse than what we're doing now.

As for Bush, he's out next year. Nothing is going to change that. The ones manipulating the people are those in the Bush Administration, not the entire government. That's why half the things that get passed are out of congress' control, because that's what the administration wants. As soon as he's out though, it's a new slate and we have a new person calling the shots. Most likely they'll clean up the massive pile of shit that Bush created for us.

You've gotta stop thinking that our entire government is out to own and control you. It's all on the shoulders of a few people that are in power right now. As soon as they're gone, it will go back to normal. But by then I'm sure there will be another group of doomsayers saying the new administration is out to own the planet too.

[dom]

You've gotta stop thinking that our entire government is out to own and control you.

I've tried to explain that before. Good luck.

[Reise]

You've gotta stop thinking that our entire government is out to own and control you.

I've tried to explain that before. Good luck.

Yeah, it's probably not even worth wasting my time typing here. But at least other people know my stance on the issue.

[dom]

You've gotta stop thinking that our entire government is out to own and control you.

I've tried to explain that before. Good luck.

Yeah, it's probably not even worth wasting my time typing here. But at least other people know my stance on the issue.

I think the issue is not being over the whole "i'm 15 and a rebel" phase.

[Reise]

lol Let the government do what they want. As long as I've got clothes on my back and money in my pocket, I'm doing good.

[XemnasXD]

Dude, Xemnas, you're acting like the government controls everything already. A lot of the things you think are gonna happen are "coulds" and "ifs." We're sending troops to Iraq because we have to clean up the mess we made. We can't just leave and say "you deal with it" because that would be even worse than what we're doing now.

As for Bush, he's out next year. Nothing is going to change that. The ones manipulating the people are those in the Bush Administration, not the entire government. That's why half the things that get passed are out of congress' control, because that's what the administration wants. As soon as he's out though, it's a new slate and we have a new person calling the shots. Most likely they'll clean up the massive pile of shit that Bush created for us.

You've gotta stop thinking that our entire government is out to own and control you. It's all on the shoulders of a few people that are in power right now. As soon as they're gone, it will go back to normal. But by then I'm sure there will be another group of doomsayers saying the new administration is out to own the planet too.

I can't understand how your being so blind. Are you just forgetting Vietnam, Korea, the gulf war. These are all incidents that were completely out of control of the people at the times. Wars we didn't want to fight mess we didn't want to make in the first place. We should've got our asses out of Iraq when there were no WMD thats when the people wanted to get got but we were ignored and ignored and ignored until NOW your only hope for salvation from this situation is that the next ppl in line will fix it, hopefully. How can you say that when We're already talking about going to War with Iran. GWB is not planning wars for when he's not in administration so why is this talk even circulating.

Its because thats the goal of the Government and if you think there isn't some conspiracy when your congressmen refuse year after you to allow you to directly vote for your president and approve war spending while the unemployment rate is skyrocketing, while your judicial system has not ONCE spoken out against the new war acts in place that allow search and seizure without warrant and wiretapping ( a blatant violation of the BILL OF RIGHTS). Maybe the NAU won't happen maybe it will but whats happening right now in the US is madness (waits for joke) your constitutional rights are being stripped away, your jobs are being shipped away, your homes are being taken away (foreclosure) maybe where you live none of this a problem but for the rest of us these are real issues and determine how we live our lives and its being completely and utterly ignored even by people like you and dom who act like your socially and politically aware.

The purpose of the gov't is to establish and CONTROL order in a society. They were elected to control us because to an extent its necessary but think that that power hasn't corrupted them like it has corrupted people throughout the entire course of history, to think they are immune to it is just proof that your a tool living in some fantasy land still waiting on the American Dream to come take you away to a white picket fence with the perfect family *vomit*

[non ego man]

Wait a second you guys. Nobody's mentioned the lizard men. I just know that lizard men are involved in all this. Now where did I put my lizard men reference material?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Ah, there it is...Reptilian Humanoids:

EDIT (better quote): "At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie."

Boxcar Willie?!?! Say it ain't so!

[Reise]

The purpose of the gov't is to establish and CONTROL order in a society. They were elected to control us because to an extent its necessary but think that that power hasn't corrupted them like it has corrupted people throughout the entire course of history, to think they are immune to it is just proof that your a tool living in some fantasy land still waiting on the American Dream to come take you away to a white picket fence with the perfect family Rolling Eyes *vomit*

I never said those in power are immune to corruption. You're throwing insults and getting lost in your conspiracy theory bullshit now Xem, this is where I leave the discussion. You're turning a debate about the possibility of the NAU into one about government being evil and corrupt to a point where it's going to end life as you know it. Sure people in charge of governments can become corrupt, that's why we have presidencies limited to two terms maximum. And that's why Bush's shit ends next year.

[Crumpets]

Who cares? 3 fucked up countries merging boohoo. Let's hope the U.S gets better health care out of it :>

[XemnasXD]

The purpose of the gov't is to establish and CONTROL order in a society. They were elected to control us because to an extent its necessary but think that that power hasn't corrupted them like it has corrupted people throughout the entire course of history, to think they are immune to it is just proof that your a tool living in some fantasy land still waiting on the American Dream to come take you away to a white picket fence with the perfect family Rolling Eyes *vomit*

I never said those in power are immune to corruption. You're throwing insults and getting lost in your conspiracy theory bullshit now Xem, this is where I leave the discussion. You're turning a debate about the possibility of the NAU into one about government being evil and corrupt to a point where it's going to end life as you know it. Sure people in charge of governments can become corrupt, that's why we have presidencies limited to two terms maximum. And that's why Bush's shit ends next year.

ok so i may possibly kinda slightly gone off on a tangent but my stance is the same....US Gov't = evil USA+Mexico+Canada= bad idea.....as im sure you may have noticed i've lost all faith in our political system, but im still voting for obama...it'll be funny

[Wu]

Religion is the major reason true 'unification' won't work.

+1k

discrimination too, but religeous conflicts have always been one of the majour causes of war. Together with the struggle and endless search for more money and power.

[avanti42]

Well the mexicans seem to walk over the border anyway.

i highly doubt this is going to happen

[Puny]

Well goverments doing things in secret is nothing new. Good luck to Canada and Mexico and the Us if they wanna merge. Lol Us entered Iraq knowing there is no WMD so I guess a emerging isn´t totally out of the question.
Who knows, they might get along. But if not Im sure they are gonna blame Canada

[CrimsonNuker]

Globalization will be the end of the world as we know it. No question about that.

definetely

think minority report, V for vendetta, the whole world will be like that
totalitarianism everywhere it will be terrible

and a 1 world government isnt as far off as you think

we already have the european union and the african union, then its only the asian union then the north american union

inevitably they will merge into 1, its going to happen, its worrying to say the least : /

lol @ african union.

Yes, i'm sure the head of the african union has complete totalitarian control over its members. They can't even fight off aids, or get their members to designate land as agricultural. I'm sure they pose a threat to world stability.

Unlike South America or Asia, the world is not dependant on Africa. You could sink the continent and nothing would happen to the world's economy. It would actually create an influx of cash into government coffers. Less money being sent over seas.

Lawl. SO True.

[XuChu]

EU they've only merged in currency and it took them so long...

lol @ ignorance. Your points are no longer valid in this discussion.

If you don't understand the subject matter, please don't argue about it. Instead, go read some articles and educate yourself.

my bad i said currency instead of economy. it's the end of the world!
im going to cut my wrist!

[MasterKojito]

The world goverment is being prepared for the arrivel of the antichrist. Before this happens i want to move to siberia and find somewhere there to live in a isolated village away from civilasation. Now that is a good idea.

[Stress]

The world goverment is being prepared for the arrivel of the antichrist. Before this happens i want to move to siberia and find somewhere there to live in a isolated village away from civilasation. Now that is a good idea.

Finnaly I find someone who shares my ideas. Thank you

[yesyes]

I think you shouldn't give such a stupid opinions about EU if you don't live in it. In my opinion it's nice. It's not another country, like you said it's just making a union, that helps each other. It's almost like in Silkroad, guilds and unions. And we are getting same money, that's nice, so when you go to other country you don't need change your money to other valute. It's not so bad.

But in America case, I think Bush just want to control 3 countries, America is not enough for him.

[MasterKojito]

I think you shouldn't give such a stupid opinions about EU if you don't live in it. In my opinion it's nice. It's not another country, like you said it's just making a union, that helps each other. It's almost like in Silkroad, guilds and unions. And we are getting same money, that's nice, so when you go to other country you don't need change your money to other valute. It's not so bad.

But in America case, I think Bush just want to control 3 countries, America is not enough for him.

Yhea, but then it speards. Its could globilisation. GLOBAL.

[Puny]

Eu being nice and all, there is still many things that are not working so smoothly. Agroculture is one thing, the other one is wineproduction were the contries that are involved are getting financial support to produce productions in a market that is already overflooded with said wine and um...grain. And decisonmaking is a hassle in the EU...

With that said I think there is gonna be difficulties if Canada, Mexico and the US would merge, but iF they only do it in small steps in the beginning with diff treaties and such it might work. Thats means that people will need to drop there identities as Americans, Canadians and Mexicans, cuz imo there is muh pride in national identities that keeps cooperation away. Or people need to come to the realisation that what benefits others wiuld benefit themselve. But thats another topic.

[Silkroad]

Wait a second you guys. Nobody's mentioned the lizard men. I just know that lizard men are involved in all this. Now where did I put my lizard men reference material?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Ah, there it is...Reptilian Humanoids:

EDIT (better quote): "At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie."

Boxcar Willie?!?! Say it ain't so!

i LOL'd

[Draquish]

Well, that's a whole lotta' fence buildin' for NUTHIN'!!

[Rainigul]

*res*

Globalization will not be a good thing. The reason the Roman's ruling was so great was that it was done for the good of the people, and it wasn't totally complete. The way it's going to be is you can't go anywhere without someone knowing, you can't do what you want, you'll be born and your fate will be decided. There will be extremely limited choice to begin with, then all choice will be removed.

It's efficient, but it gets rid of what makes us human. We won't even be animals, we'll be robots. We'll have no choices, and we must do as we're told, and we won't get any rewards. We'll just be able to stay apart of the system. And if we don't follow? We're just scrap, and thrown in the garbage.

Unto a certain extent, it is a good thing, but ultimately, this is terrible.