Rogue w/ warlock sub is AMAZING

jorgie · Post by **jorgie** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:29 pm

Ok. I've just made a rogue and gotten it to lvl 27 with a cleric sub class. When im in a party i have at least 5 ppl always asking me 'is the effectiveness of healing skills reduced because i'm pure str?'of course not, the healing power is fixed.

Yesterday i was pvping with a 1h sword warrior who was lvl 30 and i got kinda owned, but then another rogue comes along and f*cks him over..I asked him how the hell he did that and he told me that he had a warlock sub..I was like ok you got lucky noob..But the truth is that the warlock's debuffs are just as effective if you are a pure str..?

So did this guy get lucky or is rogue/warlock a crazy new unorthodox class with skills such as ripping up your enemy with your poison daggers after you've put them to sleep?

Post your thoughts cause i wouldn't mind starting this kind of build..

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:35 pm

well i'm warlock and debuffs are pretty good, they don't require you to have int or anything unless your gonna use dmging spells then you will, lol. There pretty effective although they don't work to well on stuff thats alot higher lvl then you except stun i can stun people that are 7x-80 when i'm only 54 lol.

Those debuff's might be pretty interesting but the thing is to switch back after debuff it could take to long but thats your choice and also theres also a thing about bard/cleric some of their skills get removed when they remove their weapon and I don't know if thats the same for warlock i'll have to see, otherwise i don't know if its worth your time. but I guess if that guys debuffs still were effective then that part doesn't matter then.

It might be interesting to use although if your gonna debuff then and switch back to rogue class make sure you stun them before you do so, otherwise you'll see yourself getting powned

lol.

ping_lo · Post by **ping_lo** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:45 pm

I saw a warrior warlock the other day. And he was pretty well owning solo even Chinese players. It really makes you think no. I have bard as sub mainly for 2 buffs. Maybe it would be better spent on warlock.

Sylhana · Post by **Sylhana** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:14 pm

Thats my euro build, rogue/warlock.

My main char is pure int nuker + force skills (for mag def down)

agent420 · Post by **agent420** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:58 pm

Sylhana wrote:Thats my euro build, rogue/warlock.

My main char is pure int nuker + force skills (for mag def down)

i've been wondering if it will work or not. is it worth it? i cant figure out what i wanr my sub class to be

jorgie · Post by **jorgie** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:15 pm

Ping lo judging from what you said a warlock sub must be pretty damm strong..The main problem with rogues is that if your enemy gets you first your in trouble..with a warlock sub that wouldn't happen. I think ive found myself the ultimate build

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:42 pm

ping_lo wrote:I saw a warrior warlock the other day. And he was pretty well owning solo even Chinese players. It really makes you think no. I have bard as sub mainly for 2 buffs. Maybe it would be better spent on warlock.

ahem *cough*ocipyklis*cough*

ping_lo · Post by **ping_lo** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:37 pm

Pred wrote:
ping_lo wrote:I saw a warrior warlock the other day. And he was pretty well owning solo even Chinese players. It really makes you think no. I have bard as sub mainly for 2 buffs. Maybe it would be better spent on warlock.

ahem *cough*ocipyklis*cough*

Yeah silky it was you even though you would not admit to me it was. Nor would you answer the few questions I had for you. From observation and logic I can infer 1 handed sword warlock pure str. You feel like sharing any details or strategy. It seems to be a decent build.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:35 pm

pure str - no comment.
hybrid - no comment.
pure int - no comment
warrior skills - no comment.
warlock skills - no comment.

my build - no comment. im the one and only.
but for ping lo maybe i might discuss it with you.

i never realized how fun it is to bomb ppl

ping_lo · Post by **ping_lo** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:04 pm

Well I can more or less guess at most of the stats etc. Since weapons are either phys or mag damage and not both. It really limits the possibility of hybrid. If your hybrid you loose a bit of one type of def to gain a bit of another. But in the process end up giving yourself lower phys and mag attack. So there is a very sharp exponential curve on the acceptable range of hybridization before you start reducing over all effectiveness. Not to say there is no such thing as an effective hybrid.

No my money is on pure str and just using the warlock non magical attack skills much like I am using the bards non magic based skills. I would miss having moving march when solo and noise is kinda nice. But those are the two most used skills I have from bard. Sure I can do tambour and the dances etc and it is nice. But while doing them I can't attack for shit.

I am a bit more interested in what skills you have found most useful from warlock tree and why. Some like the magic attack skills and mirage I can rule out quickly as mirage is more or less like duplicate for rogue and semi redundant. But much like any other tree not all skills are that useful. Like scorn. It is fun to play with others in PVP. But jobbing and the like I would rather stay alive as it tends to be a semi suicidal skill XD. Or poison circle that takes to long to pop off and has an effective range/damage of squat.

locthief · Post by **locthief** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:09 am

warlocks can make good subs for pure str toons. Debuffs/lifeleech/bypass armor spells really do not require much if any int. And they all can help counter a heavy def build.

jorgie · Post by **jorgie** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:31 am

Ok i'd started one on greece to pwrlvl it with my old char (2 comps) its lvl 25 now, and all i can say is omFg..try it you wont be dissapointed

ping_lo · Post by **ping_lo** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:59 am

So what skills are you finding the most usefull? And what strategy are you using. Do you bother getting shiled out or just rod mostly to cast?

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:30 am

Anyone who has trained a Rouge/Warlock with both masteries at least in there 30s plz pm me.....I made a rogue guide but its section on subs is the only incomplete thing so detailed information on the workings of a Rogue with a warlock as a sub class would great be appreciated by the rogue community

Anbu · Post by **Anbu** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:35 am

I personally found euros pointless through experience, I gave up on it, kinda dissapointed actually, oh well life aint all pretty colors, we all do things we regret later on but hey thats just opinion

jorgie · Post by **jorgie** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:53 am

dont bother with the shield all you need is the lvl 1 weap, they shouldnt even have started to attack you before you have switched back to xbox/daggers

Ludacrix · Post by **Ludacrix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:05 am

Pure Rogue ftw!

I saw a lvl 52 pure rogue no sub hitting 10k at party yetis

So i think Sub is waste of SP

So im gonna do the whole rogue tree

Crossbow for leveling

Dagger for pvp

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:18 am

Ludacrix wrote:Pure Rogue ftw!
So i think Sub is waste of SP

The bard masteries makes up for the sp. Moving speed + pre-emptive attacks makes rouges one of the easiest builds to solo. As for the warlock idea, i aint a fan of it. But thats just my opinion.

Ludacrix · Post by **Ludacrix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:28 am

I dont need bard I just go stand against a wall were they dont spawn and lure them with my skill that goes 15m far

Bazinator · Post by **Bazinator** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:04 am

well im rouge been lookin for a sub lately so THANK U!!!!

Scranton · Post by **Scranton** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:52 pm

Any feed back on this warlock sub?

STEALTHippo · Post by **STEALTHippo** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:12 am

anyone know if the damage of a rogue with debuffs is great, good, or decent compared to a normal rogue?

NightceptoR · Post by **NightceptoR** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:26 am

he got lucky rogue/cleric is the best

NightceptoR · Post by **NightceptoR** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:28 am

maybe rogue w/ warlock could be pretty decent

torinchibi · Post by **torinchibi** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:41 am

Ludacrix wrote:Pure Rogue ftw!

I saw a lvl 52 pure rogue no sub hitting 10k at party yetis

So i think Sub is waste of SP

So im gonna do the whole rogue tree

Crossbow for leveling

Dagger for pvp

You do know having a subclass only makes you stronger, right? It's not like you hit lower with a subclass, in fact with warlock subclass you hit much harder.

The fundamental problem with the warlock or the warlock subclass in particular is that expensive pills or cleric's Holy Word/Spell would make your whole subclass, excluding stun, useless. Like the warrior/warlock, or anything/warlock and even the warlock main, Holy makes you a pretty bad character. At least the warlock mains can rely on their attack spells...which frankly are not that useful. You will, however, most likely manhandle any chinese not using expensive pills due to the debuffs increasing your own damage.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:53 am

torinchibi wrote:
Ludacrix wrote:Pure Rogue ftw!

I saw a lvl 52 pure rogue no sub hitting 10k at party yetis

So i think Sub is waste of SP

So im gonna do the whole rogue tree

Crossbow for leveling

Dagger for pvp

You do know having a subclass only makes you stronger, right? It's not like you hit lower with a subclass, in fact with warlock subclass you hit much harder.

The fundamental problem with the warlock or the warlock subclass in particular is that expensive pills or cleric's Holy Word/Spell would make your whole subclass, excluding stun, useless. Like the warrior/warlock, or anything/warlock and even the warlock main, Holy makes you a pretty bad character. At least the warlock mains can rely on their attack spells...which frankly are not that useful. You will, however, most likely manhandle any chinese not using expensive pills due to the debuffs increasing your own damage.

look at date...that was posted so long ago man i don't think it matters anymore

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:55 am

Reviving old threads ftg

RockerFellow · Post by **RockerFellow** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:32 am

Well unless you like switching weapon in the middle of battle and lagging, we'll yes for sub warlock.

XemnasXD · Post by **XemnasXD** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:49 am

tedtwilliger wrote:Reviving old threads ftg

nothing wrong with reviving it if ppl can still get info out of it and make good post. Hopefully someone with an experienced rogue/warlock build will post and enlighten us a bit....better than making a repeat topic....

StacE · Post by **StacE** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:16 am

Rogue warlock is a ridiculous idea.

If you use the debuffs - you wont be able to kill anyone when using Desperate dagger or wtever. The idea of a rogue isnt to stand and debuff then kill... they kill quickly without the person knowing.

Honestly... Rogue/Warlock will fail without doubt at later levels.

And yeah, Old threads ftw aye !?