any way to solve the rogue weakness?

pengachu · Post by **pengachu** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:56 pm

the horrible def ( protectors ) that the rogues have to wear really just sets me off....i got hit so hard sometimes that i had to retreat from enemies....and so far i am only lvl 11 pure rogue dual daggers...should i invest points into warrior mastery so i can wear armor?

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:58 pm

I wouldn't. When you get stealth, you'll need all the speed you can get.

Scud, and the dagger buff should be enough, but I recommend sticking with protector. With Desperate dagger on it won't make much difference anyways.

Vandall · Post by **Vandall** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:32 pm

if im ever in trouble i just equip my daggers if they arent already equiped, hit scud and zoom outta there. if worst comes to worst and i REALLY need an escape route quick (and scud is recharging) i zerk and either kill the monster and go to a better area or zerk and run like hell.

Joku · Post by **Joku** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:16 pm

Id say that +75 % dmg and -75 % def is almost useless. When ur fighting in pvp, u might hit higher, but u get same damage from enemy coz of -75 % def.

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:20 pm

Joku wrote:Id say that +75 % dmg and -75 % def is almost useless. When ur fighting in pvp, u might hit higher, but u get same damage from enemy coz of -75 % def.

The point of a rogue is to take out enemies quickly. Therefore, if you use stealth and get behind a pure int, it won't matter what your defence is because your enemies won't have time to respond.

Lady Serenity · Post by **Lady Serenity** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:57 pm

Joku wrote:Id say that +75 % dmg and -75 % def is almost useless. When ur fighting in pvp, u might hit higher, but u get same damage from enemy coz of -75 % def.

I agree with bobby but also it helps for what Europe was designed for... partying. In guild wars or job wars just pop stealth and dagger desperate, get behind the opposing main damage dealer and kill him easily then take out others while they're fighting others of your group. Plus don't warriors have some type of skill that lets them take some of the party damage? If so that'll help if someone attacks back at you for killing their nuker.

Lady Serenity

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:00 pm

Lady Serenity wrote:
Joku wrote:Id say that +75 % dmg and -75 % def is almost useless. When ur fighting in pvp, u might hit higher, but u get same damage from enemy coz of -75 % def.

I agree with bobby but also it helps for what Europe was designed for... partying. In guild wars or job wars just pop stealth and dagger desperate, get behind the opposing main damage dealer and kill him easily then take out others while they're fighting others of your group. Plus don't warriors have some type of skill that lets them take some of the party damage? If so that'll help if someone attacks back at you for killing their nuker.

Lady Serenity

Yes they do, it's called Pain Quota. Maxed, it absorbs 100% damage, and divides it evenly amoung your party.

Whenever I decide to use Desperate Dagger in a party, I always ask warriors to cast it on me, because I always end up drawing aggro, even from 2h warriors.

Drageath · Post by **Drageath** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:35 pm

Anyone thought of having cleric as a sub and using those defence passives that increase mag and phys defence when ur wearing light armour? I've heard they carry over when u arent using a cleric rod. And i think there are other cleric defence related skills that carry over if u switch weapons (no idea which ones).

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:39 pm

Drageath wrote:Anyone thought of having cleric as a sub and using those defence passives that increase mag and phys defence when ur wearing light armour? I've heard they carry over when u arent using a cleric rod. And i think there are other cleric defence related skills that carry over if u switch weapons (no idea which ones).

They don't care over when you switch from Cleric to Rogue, sorry.

There are some skills that carry over, but not many.

Drageath · Post by **Drageath** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:13 pm

I know the buffs in the blessing tree won't but wat about the ones in the glory tree?

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:14 pm

Drageath wrote:I know the buffs in the blessing tree won't but wat about the ones in the glory tree?

Not to sure, I'll ask my cleric friends later.

Lady Serenity · Post by **Lady Serenity** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:17 pm

Bobby, does Pain Quota carry over from warrior to rogue cuz that would be great to have for sub mastery.

Lady Serenity

Bobby_Rock · Post by **Bobby_Rock** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:21 pm

I'm not sure, my knowledge lacks in skills that carry over. But I'm fairly sure it doesn't. I also doubt you can use it on yourself.

blocklandmac · Post by **blocklandmac** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:46 pm

The general rule of thumb is... If it only says "Used Item: X", you only need to switch weapons to use the skill. If it says "Used Item: X" AND "Required Item: X", you have to have that type of weapon on. If you switch, the skill will go off.

I think all passive skills work only with their respective classes AND weapons, if they require one... =)

ineedhelp · Post by **ineedhelp** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:14 am

before u even make the topic rouges are weak

lvl 11 pure rogue dual daggers...

hmmmmm maybe thats why :roll:

im lvl 33 not to brag i own monsters my own lvl and maybe u fighitng monsters higher than you and also u forgeting euro is party play its not solo like china take a cleric and other ppl with youalso make sure ur wepaon and your whole protecotr/acessory set is good
if u not confident in your build then just make a new one make something u think everyone is saying is good then when u make and get owned then what u gonna do ?????

D3athscythe · Post by **D3athscythe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:09 am

ineedhelp wrote:before u even make the topic rouges are weak

lvl 11 pure rogue dual daggers...

hmmmmm maybe thats why
im lvl 33 not to brag i own monsters my own lvl and maybe u fighitng monsters higher than you and also u forgeting euro is party play its not solo like china take a cleric and other ppl with youalso make sure ur wepaon and your whole protecotr/acessory set is good
if u not confident in your build then just make a new one make something u think everyone is saying is good then when u make and get owned then what u gonna do ?????

haha nice one. yea. rouge will still have its pro, but dun forget when come to pvp is hu strike first and oso pure int have low hp. so rouge is more on tactic. thats y its fun coz u make full use of all of ur skills =D