Nace wrote:Morals are not just my ideals.
Exactly, but you're still assuming that ANYONE that has morals will say "this is bad."
"This is bad. If you have morals" is the EXACT same thing as saying "My ideals are right, and anyone else can shove theirs where the sun don't shine."
I'm not even going to bother answering the attempt at making it seem as if I have no problem with rape.
Animals HAVE to do it in heat. When we're 'horny' or going through puberty, we can refrain from having sex.
Again, my point was that YOU DO NOT KNOW if animals can choose or not. It's perfectly reasonable that they have the power to choose, but they see no problem with it.
You just answered your own question. We can form governments. You don't need a 'very large society' to even form a government. Tribes themselves have some sort of government also, ants for instance just have a queen, workers, guards, and whatever else you want to add. But the queen just lays eggs, and workers carry them, that's it. The queen doesn't tell everyone what to do, or make political or critical decisions.
Yes, you do. Without a very large society, there's no need for a government. Animals would have no need to form a government until they get to the point where it's hard to stay organized and work together.
Again though, you're also assuming that animals are unable to choose- who's to say that they just don't see the benefit in having a government compared to relative anarchy?
Oh, and I suppose you know that there's life on other planets just because scientists THINK they have discovered dry riverbeds on Mars? Or you've actually seen an UFO up close and actually witnessed it all?
Which confirms exactly what I was talking about. You think that humans are above all else in the universe, regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I don't know if there's ever been life on Mars, although it's plenty possible that that was our first home. I do know that, given a universe as large as we've got, it's impossible that sentient life of some form only exists on a single planet. The much better question here isn't "Is there other life out there?" but "How long will it take to discover it?"
I don't know if UFOs are real or fake- I personally don't take them that seriously. I don't know if aliens have ever visited Earth. On one hand, it would explain some things, but on the other I find it rather unlikely that they'd just pack up and leave if they had.
I don't pretend to know everything, because I don't need to know everything to feel comfortable in life. I look forward to the future, and new discoveries. People that are afraid of the unknown are the same ones that make up stories to tell their kids when they don't know. I met a kid once who was convinced that the reason the sky was blue in the day was because it was reflecting the ocean, and black at night because it was reflecting the roads. He had to formulate this in his head, because nothing else made sense to him, so instead of just leaving it as a question, he had to formulate an incredibly stupid idea to explain it.
I suppose you've never heard of a gun. Or extinction.
I have, but do you really think a human is above a bobcat to the point where it could kill the bobcat without the gun, which is a tool? Monkeys make and use tools too, so you're again ignoring that animals can do much of the same things we can.
That's instinct, and animals have to follow it. If you're standing in front of a train, you most likely will run or jump out of the way, or you can fight your instinct, and stay there. It can be done. It's called suicide.
Exactly, but you wouldn't have that instinct if you didn't know that getting hit by something traveling at speed could kill you. In a very simple way, bumping into things as children trains us to avoid having other things hit us.
Can you give me some examples please, on how our society is the same as theirs.
I didn't say it was the same, however the similarities are definitely there. I would explain it, but the only way you wouldn't already have heard them is pure ignorance, so it's not worth my time.
There you go again. Research is still research, even if it's paid for by the Vatican, so say what you want.
No, it's not. Unless you trust what Philip Moris has to say about smoking, in which case you're just plain easy to fool.
Maybe Human Behavior? If you've actually studied it, you might know a thing or two.
Uh-huh, and what makes humans so much different than animals? Of course humans aren't exactly like any specific animal, just as no animals are like each other. Rats are unlike dogs, but I think you'd agree that they're both very much animals.
Man's spirtuality. The ability to choose a religion and worship it. Animals don't worship rocks or each other. Human beings can, and do. We are they only ones with organized religions. Thus, this shows that humans have a desire for a relationship with a superior being. Humans through history have displayed it, whether Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, whatever, any religion, big or small.
Wrong. It shows that humans fear what they do not know. If look at any religion, they almost always have some sort of creation story, some sort of purpose to life, and some sort of life after death. People want to know how they got here. I, personally, like Big Bang, Primordial Soup, and evolutionary theories, but like everything else, they have their problems. I'm not saying that's definitely how we came to be, but it's a lot more likely than some mystery force.
After that, religion teaches what's right and wrong; be it for the benefit of society or for whoever invented it. The bible itself is a great example of this. "Kids, behave, or you'll spend all of eternity in a giant lake of fire!" -- how is that really any different from any number of superstitions and fairy tales?
Again, nobody is saying that everyone has it, just that not all humans are able to control themselves like you claim. Again though, until you can show that animals are unable to choose if they want to mate or not, your point is moot. Think about it, what benefit does refraining from sex have for an animal? They haven't put millions of dollars of research into STDs, they have no qualms about having kids, and their parents never told them that their bodies are evil and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing the natural thing to do.So we all have that abnormality..... right.
