light +ice or light +fire should i delvl?

lint · Post by **lint** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:03 am

so im 76 now
i have fire at lvl 76 ='/ and is wonderin will mana shield be worth the delvl
i know that you cant know for sure cause new skills havent come out yet but what do you predict? and for those of you that have played csro do you think its worth it?

also i know that fire masterie gives you the skill to counter against a rogues invisibility so is that better to have or mana shield

GRRRR!!!!!! gotta delvl 76 lvls of fire without silk ='( which means only 80% silk back and waste of ton of money that i dont have

oh BTW im int s/s

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:16 am

Yes, delevel fire. Its useless for int.

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:19 am

Delevel fire, however if your still not sure just wait, the update is in like 8 hours and you can decide afterwards.

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:21 am

Ell wrote:Delevel fire, however if your still not sure just wait, the update is in like 8 hours and you can decide afterwards.

cant wait to see outside of DW with thiefs in mana shield tanking the shit out of everything

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:34 am

MrFudge wrote:
Ell wrote:Delevel fire, however if your still not sure just wait, the update is in like 8 hours and you can decide afterwards.

cant wait to see outside of DW with thiefs in mana shield tanking the shit out of everything

It won't be much of a difference. Seeing as the lvl 80 glaivers will have maxed mana shield too ..... So it's more like both people using iron wall and bloody fan.

b0nj0vi · Post by **b0nj0vi** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:21 am

i dont understand how ppl can even consider deleveling a lvl76 mastery with presumably max imbue as well, and lose 10,000+ sp just like that. for me as a handgrinder who hardly buys silk, that is totally out of the question.

Lixiae · Post by **Lixiae** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:03 am

b0nj0vi wrote:i dont understand how ppl can even consider deleveling a lvl76 mastery with presumably max imbue as well, and lose 10,000+ sp just like that. for me as a handgrinder who hardly buys silk, that is totally out of the question.

you wont lose 10k sp, more like 1k.

uBeR · Post by **uBeR** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:17 am

It just costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time through curst hearts. Expect to see more pots fights in the future, however.

bigmachini · Post by **bigmachini** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:24 am

nightbloom wrote:Yes, delevel fire. Its useless for int.

why would you say fire is useless for int am going fire+ice+light+spear all max at 75 and if you are on trroy come pvp me I assue you I rook

andrejat · Post by **andrejat** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:30 am

So now...

Fire is no more?

...

Crap. That's all i can say. Crap.

Thankfully, I am only at lvl 35 fire...

But still...

This is a big blow to the years of Fire + Light Int Nuker builds.

I mean, man... Cursed hearts and the money involved is massive.

Lixiae · Post by **Lixiae** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:34 am

bigmachini wrote:
nightbloom wrote:Yes, delevel fire. Its useless for int.

why would you say fire is useless for int am going fire+ice+light+spear all max at 75 and if you are on trroy come pvp me I assue you I rook

you will regret only having lvl 75 masteries.

black magic · Post by **black magic** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:16 am

im in the exact same position as you are lint...same build and everything..lol

im not sure...mana shield is gonan ownz but we also getting new book of ironwall, and with that maXed out, tanking 101 for nukers

boast · Post by **boast** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:46 am

bigmachini wrote:
nightbloom wrote:Yes, delevel fire. Its useless for int.

why would you say fire is useless for int am going fire+ice+light+spear all max at 75 and if you are on trroy come pvp me I assue you I rook

as cap raises, that will be a lot of delvling.

Fat_Smurf · Post by **Fat_Smurf** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:48 am

yea drop fire that's what im doing you might do lower damage but anyway skill will be adapted to the cap

LittleTom · Post by **LittleTom** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:52 am

Wait Wait Wait....

Why is Fire obsolete?
My main char is a level 31 STR fire/light/bowman/force.
For what reason does fire suck now?

b0nj0vi · Post by **b0nj0vi** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:55 am

Lixiae wrote:
b0nj0vi wrote:i dont understand how ppl can even consider deleveling a lvl76 mastery with presumably max imbue as well, and lose 10,000+ sp just like that. for me as a handgrinder who hardly buys silk, that is totally out of the question.

you wont lose 10k sp, more like 1k.

hell yeah you will. it takes around 50K sp to lvl up fire to 76 including max fire imbue. 20% of 50k = 10k sp lost. go check your mmosite again.

Yasakira · Post by **Yasakira** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:57 am

LittleTom wrote:Wait Wait Wait....

Why is Fire obsolete?
My main char is a level 31 STR fire/light/bowman/force.
For what reason does fire suck now?

Fire is becoming obsolete for ints only. They need to get ice now cause of the new mana shield skill. They cant drop light because of the buffs and nukes. They have to choose between fire and weapon mastery.

For STR, who dont need ice, fire should still be a main.

mobiszk · Post by **mobiszk** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:59 am

wait wait, so we for sure get snow shield with euro? i see it in the new silkroad skill page

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:03 am

Yes, we get snow shield.

HarshCargo · Post by **HarshCargo** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:18 am

Is the mana sheild on Ice Force?

Yasakira · Post by **Yasakira** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:23 am

Yes mana shield is in the ice tree.

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:32 am

OMG... Just cause of this damn mana shield thing i have to delvl my best nukes.... CURSE YOU JOYMAX FOR MAKING GOOD SKILLS COME OUT AT THE WRONG TIME! :banghead:

Yasakira · Post by **Yasakira** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:37 am

DragonTalon wrote:OMG... Just cause of this damn mana shield thing i have to delvl my best nukes.... CURSE YOU JOYMAX FOR MAKING GOOD SKILLS COME OUT AT THE WRONG TIME!

IIRC the new lightning nukes are stronger than the fire. I remember someone telling me the %s are much better, dont know if its true though.

lint · Post by **lint** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:19 am

wait so im just wonderin

what if i only delvl my fire down to 60
and take heuksal from 60 to 0
then bring ice to 80

would 80 ice 80 lightning 80 bicheon 60 fire be stronger or weaker then
80 ice 80 lightning 80 bicheon 60 heuk

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:21 am

Yasakira wrote:
DragonTalon wrote:OMG... Just cause of this damn mana shield thing i have to delvl my best nukes.... CURSE YOU JOYMAX FOR MAKING GOOD SKILLS COME OUT AT THE WRONG TIME!

IIRC the new lightning nukes are stronger than the fire. I remember someone telling me the %s are much better, dont know if its true though.

What new light nukes? When are they coming out?

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:37 am

Level 70 for third book of light nuke I think.

DragonTalon · Post by **DragonTalon** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:41 am

Ell wrote:Level 70 for third book of light nuke I think.

Sweet. Cant wait to see it ^^. BTW is there any way u can delvl fire and go with light and ice but still keep the fire imbue?

andrejat · Post by **andrejat** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:47 am

DragonTalon wrote:
Ell wrote:Level 70 for third book of light nuke I think.
Sweet. Cant wait to see it ^^. BTW is there any way u can delvl fire and go with light and ice but still keep the fire imbue?

To keep fire imbue at your level, you need to level the imbue skill AND the fire level, so either the extra SP needed is worth it, but it probably isnt.

I think the age of fire and its dmg is over.

For PVP, Mana shield.

For PVE, party spawns and elite giants, powerful mobs, etc... basically, ice can be a big help and do some... considerable damage, seeing as how it is STILL a nuke ( with lightning as first or secondary shot )

Yasakira · Post by **Yasakira** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:48 am

DragonTalon wrote:
Ell wrote:Level 70 for third book of light nuke I think.
Sweet. Cant wait to see it ^^. BTW is there any way u can delvl fire and go with light and ice but still keep the fire imbue?

No, you cant do that. And the difference in dmg between the imbues is pretty insignificant.

lint · Post by **lint** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:04 pm

bump

so now that the new skills are out what do you guys think?
120 seconds of mana shield worth it?
or just keep fire

also can anyone give me an opinion about my other post?

80 bicheon
80 light
80 ice
60 heuk

or
80 bicheon
80 light
80 ice
60 heuk