rogue sub mastery

Apocalypse57 · Post by **Apocalypse57** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:28 pm

what do you think would be a good rogue sub mastery?

warrior
cleric

or any other suggestions would be good.

post why if you can

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:34 pm

I haven't tried much hybrid char's to mix up str/int but... Having a sub makes you need to farm :wink:

, the warrior/rogue | rogue/warrior is good for full str's, for healing i bet on wizard/cleric...

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:48 pm

Apocalypse57 wrote:what do you think would be a good rogue sub mastery?

warrior
cleric

or any other suggestions would be good.

post why if you can

Some points in the bard mastery, for "Moving March" can help you enhance your walking speed if you play solo a lot. That extra mobility might come in handy if you are hunting using a crossbow. With "Crossbow Extreme" activated you will want to stay away from mobs.

Apocalypse57 · Post by **Apocalypse57** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:56 pm

ok thnx, but is it necessary to lvl up a sub mastery while playing or can i juss put points in rogue and then when im higher lvl lets say40-50 then il put points in warrior or WTV? is that possible or do i have to put points in sub?

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:04 pm

Apocalypse57 wrote:ok thnx, but is it necessary to lvl up a sub mastery while playing or can i juss put points in rogue and then when im higher lvl lets say40-50 then il put points in warrior or WTV? is that possible or do i have to put points in sub?

You can level up you submastery at any point.

Apocalypse57 · Post by **Apocalypse57** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:06 pm

thnx for info

hey biscuit how is your rogue in csro? is it good, i was juss wondering, and hows the lvling and sp?

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Apocalypse57 wrote:thnx for info

hey biscuit how is your rogue in csro? is it good, i was juss wondering, and hows the lvling and sp?

Keep in mind the low level and the differing environment in CSRO, etc. ....

1. How's the rogue.

- Party playing: Very versatile class, that can fit nicely into most parties. What I end up doing depends on the needs of the party. When theres damage needed I use my crossbow, when theres tanking needed I use daggers. The use of "Dagger Desperate" or "Crossbow Extreme" depends on the enemies and the parties healing and buffing capabilities.

- Solo playing: The crossbow completely destroys normal non party enemies my level or 4-5 levels above. On a good spot with no party monsters spawning I can just switch between "Power Shot" and "Long Shot" while either one of them cools down. What I can't do are party mobs my lvl or even slightly below and giants (not even with zerk =/).

- Jobbing: Some people use rogues with their invisibility to do 5* trades. So while grinding you sometimes see a shadow moving about and then suddenly a whole bunch of NPC thieves spawning out of nowhere. I doubt however that this will work too well on the more populated ISRO servers

2. SP

I use a small gap to be able to get my (two levels behind) skills right away when I level.

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:57 pm

Just a small paragraph, you can make a sub whenever you want, just don't forget you got mastery points to spend, 2 each lvl, this allows you to have 2 classes at a good high lvl or even more but with lower lvl's, just farm a bit for that :wink:

Apocalypse57 · Post by **Apocalypse57** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:24 pm

well i want to juss play with my rogue masteries for now. if you get two points then one is for rogue and the other is for a sub??

if this is right then can i just keep all these points i get so i can put points in sub later on instead of right away??....im really not in the mood for sp farming as i juss finished farming on my chinese....

oh and just for the sp... how much of a gap do you leave..well if you have just rogue mastery?? and is it sufficient?

criticalss · Post by **criticalss** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:27 am

if you level with 1 gap, you have enough for all dagger and rogue mastery. you need to farm for crossbow and sub

jdouma1992 · Post by **jdouma1992** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:08 am

is it possible to just only do daggers with rogue, or is it better to combine the 2 weapons, and so is it better to combine rogue with cleric or with warrior, because i am thinking of only doing daggers, so do you think i should add some healing spells with my daggers, or add my damage with warrior?

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:11 am

jdouma1992 wrote:is it possible to just only do daggers with rogue, or is it better to combine the 2 weapons, and so is it better to combine rogue with cleric or with warrior, because i am thinking of only doing daggers, so do you think i should add some healing spells with my daggers, or add my damage with warrior?

Rogues -> Full str
Warriors?-> Full str
Match?, seems so...

Still bard/cleric seems nice options to use, but don't forget, you'll need 1 more weapon, well 2 in cleric since you use a shield

, but don't forget you're low in mp and you can't regenerate well it pots, mp will become gold to you ;p

nofearz · Post by **nofearz** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:48 am

but what is the best subclass for Daggers shoud it just be pure rogue daggers and xbow or daggers/cleric.

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:58 am

nofearz wrote:but what is the best subclass for Daggers shoud it just be pure rogue daggers and xbow or daggers/cleric.

I'm still trying to discover that... i've created a poll for that xD, still the rogue bard seems nice...

nofearz · Post by **nofearz** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:02 pm

on Csro I had Daggers/ cleric but I don't know if pure rogue dagger/xbow is better. I think I might do that.

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:05 pm

I just know that if we have mastery points to spend, i will spend them as long as i have sp, so i'll be a full rogue with 1 sub as near as i can with sp ^^

jdouma1992 · Post by **jdouma1992** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:37 pm

yeah i was looking for sub classes to what to do best for my rogue, and i have not figured it out either, im thinking bard, for te buffs, because you can do cleric but it wont help that much. and warrior just doesnt work well i think it tis skills and rogue skills. So what would than be better bard, or cleric?

fasd · Post by **fasd** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:39 pm

I'll go bard for speed buff mainly...

jdouma1992 · Post by **jdouma1992** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:56 pm

I was readin warrior subclass, and they made a VERY good point, if your party healer dies than you want to be able to revive or heal them right? well you will ned cleric for that, and why would rogues need speed buffs from bard, we have speed bufs ourself??? so whats the poitn. what do you guys think of this?

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:14 pm

jdouma1992 wrote:I was readin warrior subclass, and they made a VERY good point, if your party healer dies than you want to be able to revive or heal them right? well you will ned cleric for that, and why would rogues need speed buffs from bard, we have speed bufs ourself??? so whats the poitn. what do you guys think of this?

The point of getting the bards speed buff is, that it lasts a lot longer. The rogues skill gives you a massive boost over 15 seconds, helping you either quickly get away from something (giant spawning out of the blue) or to something (PVP enemy or a party member in despair). After that you will have to wait two minutes until you can use it again. Also it's only available using daggers, while the bards buff stays, no matter what.

phaZex1 · Post by **phaZex1** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:55 am

Biscuit, would you say the dagger rogue is good later on in the game? Because right now, I'm level 13 and it's not all that great...in my opinion...I would like to stay with it but I'm having second thoughts on changing my char.

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:39 am

phaZex1 wrote:Biscuit, would you say the dagger rogue is good later on in the game? Because right now, I'm level 13 and it's not all that great...in my opinion...I would like to stay with it but I'm having second thoughts on changing my char.

In the end it was like this for me:

- Soloing: Crossbow (+crossbow extreme), because with a bit of luck even mobs five levels higher than me (huns) died before getting their hits in. I only took daggers when soloin, when i knew that I needed the hp and that my potions would save me. In iSRO this might even me a more viable option since the pot delay is only half cSROs.
- Party with a good tank and enough damage dealers: Daggers
- Party with enough tanks: Crossbow
- Party without a good tank: Warrior Submastery
- PVP: I only PVPed a warrior in my 2Xs, but the daggers where a good option then.

Concerning your problem, I would attribute it in parts to the fact, that there isn't really a market for euro items after the launch and good items with nice % on damage and crits are of the essence for rogues. So you might not have the optimal gear right now, meaning you might have problems finding daggers in between the range of lvl 8 to 16. I had to use level 32 daggers from the NPC, and they sucked, because there was almost no market for euro items in cSRO.

elfinkid · Post by **elfinkid** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:59 am

should I choose cleric as sub mastery just for 3 passive skills(phy.mag.def buff, charity) or is there any other skill can I use...I m dageer rogue...and why should(nt) I choose warrior as sub...

Biscuit · Post by **Biscuit** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:11 am

elfinkid wrote:[...]

I m dageer rogue...and why should [...] I choose warrior as sub...

Because rogues suck as the main tank?

elfinkid · Post by **elfinkid** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:28 am

one more question...

cleric or warrior..which one?

jdouma1992 · Post by **jdouma1992** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:52 am

I have my rogue lvl 21, and bard lvl 11 for the speed, and lvl 10 for only rebirth, no need in healing, but i am wondering what skills for warrior?, and guys dont stress to much about sub, all your best skills are oyu main, and you just use sub for those few extra skills like rebirth, to help your party when you priestdies, or moving march(bard) to make you run faster

Maju · Post by **Maju** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:51 am

Biscuit wrote:- Jobbing: Some people use rogues with their invisibility to do 5* trades. So while grinding you sometimes see a shadow moving about and then suddenly a whole bunch of NPC thieves spawning out of nowhere. I doubt however that this will work too well on the more populated ISRO servers

What about thieving... I imagine that rogue stealth skills should be excellent to observe and eventually surprise traders (and their hunters, if they exist) with the new triangular conflict rules, right?

I haven't yet been able to play since Euro update (tech issues are stopping me by the moment) but I really can't think better coupling than rogue-thief... though guess it could also be used as scout in a trading party.

Valkorn · Post by **Valkorn** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:09 am

I'm building on a fullstr roque with clerc sub.. it is pretty nice since i ony use the clerc for healing ressing etc.. witch is better btw, dagger or crossbow now im using both depending on the enemy :banghead:

Tribe_Rock · Post by **Tribe_Rock** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:55 pm

am rouger dagger
i want to know whats the best build for him, cos am hybrid str
and ppl here say it`s full str build
till now i added 6 int points
about dagger desperate
what`s defference between phy dmg and phy attack power/

chicksboy · Post by **chicksboy** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:14 pm

Yea barb is the best sub mastery, makes you run faster. ^^

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