Joymax approves 1* Poppers?

TheMoose · Post by **TheMoose** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:26 pm

It appears from their latest new post, Joymax doesn't not disapprove of the 1* poppers. Don't look for a fix, but I'd like to see NPC Hunters for player theives. :wink:

There again, one could argue that there should be NPC theives for player hunters.

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:31 pm

Q. What is a one star trade caravan?

A. In the Triangular Conflict System, the trade caravan and the cargo that is transported plays an important part. The star rating indicates the value of the cargo. The potential risk increases as the star ratings increase.

The one star trade caravan has the least amount of risk because player characters may not directly attack a one star caravan with their own weapons and skills however this does not mean that there is no possibility of attack during a one star trade caravan.

Because the trade caravan is an integral part of the Triangular Conflict System, it will come under the same type of risks as any other rated trade caravan. As Hunters are also an integral part of the Triangular Conflict System, they are the only way to ensure any element of safety during any trade caravan.

Shoi · Post by **Shoi** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:33 pm

I think he means that they say its ok, just hard to read cause of his double/triple negative. And Hi Moose *Wave*

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:35 pm

>> doesn't not disapprove

Yeah that was a bit confusing.

jonoh83 · Post by **jonoh83** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:37 pm

i guess it just comes down to the player who thinks 1 star popping is ethical or unethical.

Stallowned · Post by **Stallowned** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:46 pm

Is robbing someone in the first place ethical? No.
Then if you do it, why should it matter how.

Misaklo · Post by **Misaklo** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:53 pm

Stallowned wrote:Is robbing someone in the first place ethical? No.
Then if you do it, why should it matter how.

***i don't mean to complain in any of this if you see anything as that then you are misunderstood***

i thought you were against 1* poppers

anyway i'm 50/50 on the matter. i
s there is some @$$ walking around bragging/ going strait in a thiefs face with a 1* then they deserved to be popped but if its just some lowbie trying to srape up some profit/fun then they deserve to be left alone. a 1* for them will only get you like 16-20 k 25 tops and a tiny amoount of theif EXP anyway. might as well let them get stronger without bad experiances so they don't quit the game or trading as they might do multis later

oh and another thing i forgot. if you're high enough to actually 1* pop then you can probably kill any multi around where as i see plenty of multis i can't even kill so i don't get their loot. basically i mean it's not even worth it to pop since if you can then you'd get more profit and EXP getting multis

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:55 pm

I have a bad feeling where this topic is going to lead....

Then again, maybe I should post the Q&A in the news.

jonoh83 · Post by **jonoh83** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:56 pm

Stallowned wrote:Is robbing someone in the first place ethical? No.
Then if you do it, why should it matter how.

well i dont think its ethical for ppl to 1 star pop and i dont 1 star pop myself. however not everyone is gonna think the same way about this if joymax did not give a clear answer whether it is ethical or not.

TheMoose · Post by **TheMoose** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:38 pm

I think that Joymax probably didn't forsee 1* popping as potential threat to traders, but now that it is developed I don't feel that they see anything wrong with it. Joymax is looking at it as theives being creative.

Personally I think it is wrong, and a little dumb on the thieves part. I mean look at it logically, if the trader can't handle the thieves' thief then they are probably pretty low level and won't be carrying much loot in the first place. So, if they want to 1* pop let them mess with the 20k or so gold they'll make. It keeps them away from my 2 or 3* trade :wink:

Then you have guys like VITA. He likes to stand outside the south gate of Jangan and spawn an ox just to walk it around the gate and kill flower children. That is just plain rude.

Ezeckiel · Post by **Ezeckiel** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:41 pm

wasn't it sticked : "no more one star popping tread" ? :roll:

TheMoose · Post by **TheMoose** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:41 pm

Ryoko wrote:>> doesn't not disapprove

Yeah that was a bit confusing.

Sorry Ryoko, what I meant was that they didn't give their opinion on the matter, so although they didn't say they approve of it they also didn't say that they disapprove it.

What they did say is that all traders regarless of the level of difficulty face the same threat in varying degrees. To me that says that they condone 1* poppers, but didn't have the guts to come out and say so. :roll:

reeceybaby · Post by **reeceybaby** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:42 pm

I think it isnt the thieves being 'dumb', its more a fact that its hard to be a thief because almost everyone is too worried or does not have enough back-up to dare doing more than a one star.... i mean im level 4X and im still thief level 1 88% because i cant find people daring enough to be 2 star at least....

I think one stars get it easy, one star popping makes some sense...

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:45 pm

TheMoose wrote:
Ryoko wrote:>> doesn't not disapprove

Yeah that was a bit confusing.

Sorry Ryoko, what I meant was that they didn't give their opinion on the matter, so although they didn't say they approve of it they also didn't say that they disapprove it.

What they did say is that all traders regarless of the level of difficulty face the same threat in varying degrees. To me that says that they condone 1* poppers, but didn't have the guts to come out and say so.

Saying its ok outright would tick off a lot of lowbies that are victim to it, so they cant just do that. Fixing it so it doesnt happen would provoke a lot of thief to ....well, quit.

Its politically smart on their part to word things in a "game structure" sense.

HakuFudomine · Post by **HakuFudomine** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:46 pm

Seriously, there isn't much you can do about 1 star poppers, make screenies? no one cares. Put on hunter? they usually have like lvl 57-60+ thieves with them. They also got high hunters to kill thieves who try to jack their stuff. So best thing to do is run around like a maniac telling everyone to run and killing their npc thieves lol.

Mordecaie · Post by **Mordecaie** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:47 pm

1* Popping = Bad

1* Popper = Very dead lol

Dead 1* Popper = Worth a party, and to use him as a pillow to sit on.

Thats my 3 cents

Cheers

Uchiha Itachi · Post by **Uchiha Itachi** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:48 pm

well TheMoose u are wrong cos a thief will one star pop more than one trader meaning that his camel/horse will get fuller and fuller. the thief can scroll to the den at eny time he sees fit so he can scroll to the den whetehr he has a 1 star or a 5 star

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:52 pm

Uchiha Itachi wrote: the thief can scroll to the den at eny time he sees fit

Welll.... apparently standing around with a horse thats even empty is considered 'wrong' lately.

Mordecaie · Post by **Mordecaie** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:58 pm

It is lol, the bad guys = thiefs and good guys = traders, and lol good guys always wil and bad guys get blows lol.

Cheers

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:01 pm

Cute

Hey, just because your on a trade run doesnt mean your a good guy.

LOL (^_^)

Uchiha Itachi · Post by **Uchiha Itachi** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:03 pm

usualy i wait untill i have 2 star or 3 star worth of loot in my camel

no i dont one star pop cos i can be bothered to follow n00bs around in a horse all day lol. All i do is just look for 2 stars and gather the loot in the camel untill i get ther required amount of gold that the loot is worth. now is that a crime? no. Well it is cos stealing stuff form somone is generaly considerd as a crime lol

Mordecaie · Post by **Mordecaie** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:05 pm

Whaaaaa !! :shock:

Me not cute ! ARGH lol ! Im not not not not not ! CUTE !...

*breath in.... breath out... *

Lol good guys help the economy by transporting good they dont have in 1 town to the other, ohh and btw : Hunter are also good guy !

They kill the evil guys, and the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and traders and hunters are enemies of thiefs, so that means that they are good, and thiefs evil... yep yep..

Me not CUTE ! :banghead:

Cheers

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:08 pm

Mordecaie wrote:Lol good guys help the economy by transporting good they dont have in 1 town to the other, ohh and btw : Hunter are also good guy ! They kill the evil guys, and the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and traders and hunters are enemies of thiefs, so that means that they are good, and thiefs evil... yep yep..

LOL.

When I played tradewars, it was perfectly acceptable to be the bad guy. We got red names (neato!) and our own class of ships.

Good guys get blue ships, we get red ships. Ours are not as good, but we can rob ports for extra cash and they cant.

Course, when bad guy wiped out good guys planets, the tears and flames would arise, and we ignored it.

Space pirates at its best, doing our job and playing a game.

With no bad guys, the good guys had nothing to do cept putz around.

Oh, and there was always new people. Consider that....the lowbie.

We usually left them alone and let them build - because they wernt worth our time. But if we wanted to swoop in and wipe them out, it was our choice as the bad guys. Besides, its more fun to attack a good size force and wipe it out than someone with 1 ship. Ha ha.

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Mordecaie wrote:Whaaaaa !! Me not cute ! ARGH lol ! Im not not not not not ! CUTE !...

*breath in.... breath out... *

Lol good guys help the economy by transporting good they dont have in 1 town to the other, ohh and btw : Hunter are also good guy ! They kill the evil guys, and the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and traders and hunters are enemies of thiefs, so that means that they are good, and thiefs evil... yep yep..

Me not CUTE !

Cheers

not totally true, some hunters kill lowbie thiefs and let their friends/guild mate take the loot. that is just like popping.

Mordecaie · Post by **Mordecaie** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:16 pm

That means there are spies amongst the good guys ! :shock:

PK them all :twisted:

Cheers

Mordecaie · Post by **Mordecaie** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:16 pm

And whats trade wars or something lol ?

Cheers

Post by **Ryoko** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:17 pm

skitsefrenik wrote:not totally true, some hunters kill lowbie thiefs and let their friends/guild mate take the loot. that is just like popping.

Hmmmm well I do that for our guild. Its working as a team

We have hunters and we have thieves. Why kill theif and just let the loot rot? Some random is eventually gonna find it and scoop it - why not it be our own people?

Cleaning up after the mess ^_^ Our hunters and thieves in the guild both win.

On the same token, people have come up to me and asked for help getting their trader goods back. And I did.

eekamouse · Post by **eekamouse** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:43 pm

If Joymax stopped 1* popping there would be ZERO trade activity. Everyone would just farm (and possibly bot) 1* trade runs when they hit level 60-70. At the very minimum you make about 120k profit doing 1* runs at that level.

Yes, it's unfortunate that low levels are being 1* pop'd, but do what Joymax said, get a hunter, or go in a large group of people 1*ing.

nightbloom · Post by **nightbloom** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:56 pm

I always PM some friendly thief to clean up after a big hunter run. I want as many of the thieves to say, "I try again later." as possible so all the lil lowbies can get through. Leaving the loot on the ground just defeats that. LOL They wait for me to leave and try to take it again.

Skitsefrenik · Post by **Skitsefrenik** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:03 pm

nightbloom wrote:I always PM some friendly thief to clean up after a big hunter run. I want as many of the thieves to say, "I try again later." as possible so all the lil lowbies can get through. Leaving the loot on the ground just defeats that. LOL They wait for me to leave and try to take it again.

but u guys only run about 5 seconds in one direction...wait about 3 seconds for them to put on thief suit and WACK....down goes the thief again