Bow build 70:70 GUIDE Updated 3.0!

[monkey289]

yeh i'm going fire

[glavie]

Highest Crit
Light=4361
Ice =4241

Hmm.. i am also goin towards the 70:70 build, im now 32, but the highest crit i do now is 3900.

U r 54 and you're doing 4361. So i will only get that much increase in damage at your lvl? =_____=

Your damage depends on the mob you are hitting doesn't it.
Are the mobs you fight 6 levels higher than you?

[Grim]

Try hitting a Mangyang like 5 times, get the sum of the dmg

Then lvl up or increase your skills, whatever you want.

Then hit the Mangyang agian, 5 times sum the dmg

See how much you have increased/decreased.

[Mahnitu]

+1

[LadyB]

well the basic situation of this post is to tell us that a 70:70 bow build can be a useful and playable build. Jade never said it dominates other bow builds, he/she just said the build could be a good asset in silkroad.

[flexo]

Digging a little hear i know ^^ i was just interested in this build.. i've heard some about it and I looked this tread up.

Well i've read the first 4 pages.. i'm very sceptic against hybrid builds but this is actually very interesting. Jadekiss prob left this tread a long time ago.

But i'd like to know how 75:75 bow-build would do .. because adding about 40+ int and 50+ str all the time.. will be a expensive and frustating hobby.
I'm thinking +30str and +20int will be doable. that's about +2/3 str and +2int on all gear, so pretty easy to do.

And will this still be good with the new stun and kb-skills for bow comming??

or do those skills trow this entire build down?? and is str again the better choice. I don't think so but maybe i'm missing something here.

And did someone post a vid of someone pvp'ing with this build at 60+ i've looked a little but it's too many pages to look through and half of it is noobs flaming.

And a little critic.. wouldn't any build own with like 10% added balance?? i mean that's like 50str/int added it's insanely high. I add only 25 str on my int char's gear and like 200hp and I pwn most pure str's too. Imagine what i would do with 50 str and 50 int.
(no sos, only +5 wep and +2/+3 gear)


@ Cin.. i saw your post a few pages back about chinese being not good at force tree anymore. Actually a good point .. i'm building a blader now with force as one of his main tree's, but now i'm starting to re-think the point of the force tree with him. I kind of forgot about the euro ability to support way better then chinese.
Gonna search for a euro build topic to see how good the euro-force-a-like tree really is.

[glavie]

How would this build do with 75%:75%
Probably fine. I know I have lost millions keeping my balances very high. Obviously I thought it was worth it. But in reality. I probably could have taken the money lost in alchemy and bought even better gear(+ and sealed). Causing me to have equivalent strength.

At cap I think everyone should have really close to max blues. I mean what else do you spend your money on at cap.

I do not think this build relies on blues anymore then any other build.
Actually a hybrid int who nukes would need the int stat more then this build.

There was/is(didnt search for it) a pvp video, but it didn't tell us anything we don't already know. Unless you know the gear of the person your fighting, there exact build, are they farmed etc. A video by itself is meaningless.

The new skills, will they help or hurt???? We will know in a few days I guess.

[flexo]

k thnx for the reply..
still very doubtfull about this build.. since i also think that this hybrids builds don't addapt easy to change. Pures have very obvious strenghts and weaknesses so like now when JM comes with new skills you can changes skills or even tree's but INT/STR points can't be changed so it's hard to change that or it will take many lvl's to addept to a certain change in skills
But even if.. this hybrid treads are taking a closer look at skills and how dmg is build up.. so i'm following the good ones from now on

And my bow char is just a third character wich functions as a storage char now. So no rush in deciding here. I can prob switch to 70:70 tilll like lvl 35 or 40 so untill that time i'm staying pure str.

[HertogJan]

I do not support the thought of any build with only +2 str/int on anything. Get all the bonuses you can get =|

[flexo]

I do not support the thought of any build with only +2 str/int on anything. Get all the bonuses you can get =|

yes at like 72+ where you are at.. then you max everything out.. pimp it as high as possible, that'\s all you do. farm and pimp and then test out what you improved .
But i'm talking about the other 70 lvl's. Because no +int str will make this build kind of s.uck .. (i think) so i was wondering how 75:75 would do, since that's pretty easy to get.

[atomicrm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K888BgiyZo
there u go guys
shows a 80-80 guy vs a pure

[Mihai]

Dudes...I have a char 76 bow full str,fire and light....you make me laugh,really after all 29 pages:DWind svcks on pvps,I killed him everytime I saw him on pvps....and I kill 1 of 2 glaviers...the other kills me lools ),nvm....All ideea about 80:80 is good only on PVE...period piriod;D...

[Mihai]

Dudes...I have a char 76 bow full str,fire and light....you make me laugh,really after all 29 pages:DWind svcks on pvps,I killed him everytime I saw him on pvps....and I kill 1 of 2 glaviers...the other kills me lools ),nvm....All ideea about 80:80 is good only on PVE...period piriod;D...

[miagye]

But I bet that ur not so famous as Wind is. Anyway the game is about fun and if ur not enjoyng playing it, so waht's the poit of the game then?? So I love this built, maybe it's not so powerfull but it's fun and that's all what i want from games.

[DS^]

Dudes...I have a char 76 bow full str,fire and light....you make me laugh,really after all 29 pages:DWind svcks on pvps,I killed him everytime I saw him on pvps....and I kill 1 of 2 glaviers...the other kills me lools ),nvm....All ideea about 80:80 is good only on PVE...period piriod;D...

+1

Wind sucks in pvp he loses everytime xD
but in pve he owns

@atomicrm

The hybrid guys has a lot of int/str blues on his gear and I bet the str guy has low or maybe none blues

[glavie]

I know Wind isn't great in pvp. But saying he looses every time is not realistic.
I actually care more about how this build does in group pvp. I haven't gotten a clear answer on that.

@ DS^
Do you know any GOOD bow character on the aege server around lvl 56. That I can pvp? Cause honestly all the ones I have met (not many) had crap gear.

[vanom]

group pvp is indeed more interesting. cuz even as full str glaive, u can't kill other full str chars.

[WrathShielder]

group pvp is indeed more interesting. cuz even as full str glaive, u can't kill other full str chars.

Now, this is where I tune back in. PVP outside the gate - wasting pots is one thing, but how does this build do while doing a union trade run, job war, guild war? I would think as support in these type of group events your definately going to be an asset.

[vanom]

bow is definately going to be an valuable asset in group pvp. with their kb arrows, they can cancel not only attacks, but also the movement of other players. so they can't escape that easily anymore ^^.

[Mihai]

In my oppinion bow hybrid is best hybrid built,best PVE but really weak PVE.I have a lvl 76 bow full str built and is great on PVP aswell...I may kill any hybrid builts...sry for you,guys....
My opinion....

[Stress]

In my oppinion bow hybrid is best hybrid built,best PVE but really weak PVE.I have a lvl 76 bow full str built and is great on PVP aswell...I may kill any hybrid builts...sry for you,guys....
My opinion....

Sa stii ca asa e, insa o mare parte a jocului se petrece in PvE, asa ca acest aspect al jocului nu poate fi ignorat. De aceea am preferat arcul hibrid in loc de STR pur. Intr-adevar STR pur are critical-uri dese si puternice, insa forta lui fara crit este slaba. In schimb, cu arcasul hibrid, nu depind atat de mult de un crit pentru a castiga.

PS: poate ar trebui sa petreci si tu mai mult timp pe forumul asta, ca si mine

OT: You will see just how valuable a hybrid bow really is in group wars. In PvP they do not excel, but group wars is where they really show their face.

[glavie]

In my oppinion bow hybrid is best hybrid built,best PVE but really weak PVE.I have a lvl 76 bow full str built and is great on PVP aswell...I may kill any hybrid builts...sry for you,guys....
My opinion....

You have said this like 3 times already. Can you give us more information. What bow do you have gear. Are you fire imbue?

What is your In Game Name? I want to check up on you

[Snappy]

This topic is talking about an alternative built to the cookie cutter we are all aware of - Full Str Bow. Hyb may lose out on PvP, but then again, gears influences the survivability and the outcome.

Anyhow, looking at the revival of the thread (unbelievable! ):

On imbue damage - Ice is viable for Hyb and I do feel that Hyb char can supplement the lower Ice damage with higher INT stats. Hence, its a choice for Hyb compared to pures which relies more on Fire to obtain the max damage.

I do believe the Mana Shield on Ice tree would further enhance the hyb survivability as well as the combo knock backs.

Imbue choice - I have Fire and Ice at the same level and I prefer to use Ice compared to Fire as I hate getting hit (saving HP pots in the process. :p ) Most +4 to 5 lvl mobs would not be able to approach me. Then again, I used pimped SoX which is done through achemy myself. Fire does deliver higher damage but the Ice frostbite and freezing effect would be a better choice.

On pure Str damage, the crits is x2 of normal because of the lower normal hit of STR Char vs. Hyb. Hyb is closer in terms of normal hits vs. crits for sure. In anycase, Str Char would deliver higher crits vs. hyb due to the phy nature of bow skills.

Protector is the choice for Hyb, If you have a good bow, garms can be considered if you are a 1v1 on leveling style. However, protector can take a little more mobbing, 3-4 is not a problem (see below).

Hyb is relatively more fun to play. Normally Anti+Combo+Lion Shout will do the job, or if you want variation Light Nuke+Combo+Lion Shout in PvE - Shouts are used only if the 2 skills +1 to 2 normal hits does not do the job. I love giants AND getting mob, this is where a Hyb fun can really be maxed..... Skills:

Anti > Ice imbue > Combo > Light nuke > Lion Shout > Fire nuke > Fire Imbue > Zerk > Autumn *repeats* Haha! Its so funny and a pure Str can just glare at the skill manu.

Getting mobbed by > 3 mobs is like:

Zerk > Ice imbue > light nuke > Autumn

I am but a few that have a favourable view of bow Autumn tree, if you do not have the SP - don't do it. As for a Hyb build, if you do not have the patience for SP farm - DON'T DO IT. It only frustrates you further if you cannot max the skills you need. Nukes will take up a chunk of SP as well as the buffs from all fire/ice and light trees.

I am a casual gamer that likes to have some fun for 1-5 hrs after office hours (and sometimes not leveling for a week or 2 due to work commitments) and have tons of patience. 80k SP atm (mostly 9 gapping since level 14) and 10 more levels to 0 gap. Trust me, 9 gaps sux.

I am also not sure if bow char needs to scream crits - Anti Tree gives you the edge even if you are on a crap crit of 4 - 5. I am not complaining..... too much even if I would love a crit 8 above bow. :p

Glavie,

On gear, if you are selective on stats to pimp, my personal preference is to pimp HP and Str to supplement the weaknesses of Hyb HP, followed by INT with more damage and parry%. I value STR/INT on my bow as well as attack ratings - that is the basic pimping I would do. On SoX views, I take full SoX as you would keep the equipment longer and makes it worth while to pimp. Once you have a complete set, its just a matter of adding a new piece per level. Besides, SoX would retain its value.

[Ganxta]

Whats hp/mp are with 70/70 hybrid? Like 9500/7000 ?

[glavie]

Snappy
how much damage does a lion shout do when compared with your antidevil non crit?
What level are you now?


Ganxta

Go to this link. Then click on the head. You will be able to raise character level and distribute your points. You can see exactly what your hp will be with different balances.

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/

[Wind]

Dudes...I have a char 76 bow full str,fire and light....you make me laugh,really after all 29 pages:DWind svcks on pvps,I killed him everytime I saw him on pvps....and I kill 1 of 2 glaviers...the other kills me lools ),nvm....All ideea about 80:80 is good only on PVE...period piriod;D...

Well, well, LOL -- look who's finally here! I guess it had to take a post like the one above to get me out of lurk mode and in on the neverending discussion. So, credit to you "Mihai" (whoever you are) -- you have managed to do what Jadekiss' 50+ visits to Aege couldn't achieve!

As a note to all posting: Wind does exist (as any Aegean should already know, duh^^) and, based on the information I will share with all of you in this and future posts, you can rest assured that I am indeed the real Wind.

@ Mihai: just because Wind doesn't post here, doesn't mean I don't stop by from time to time to check on the progression on this thread. So, take heed to be TRUTHFUL in future... and please do not fudge the distinction between your opinion ("purist" that you are) and the reality of what actually takes place on Aege.

For the record (and as a prelude to future posts & perhaps a future guide), I would like to state the following:

1. Naked balance is of no real consequense (since we don't fight naked^^). The most effective way to achieve an equal balance is to pimp your gear ahead of schedule and then work out your projected stat point distrubtion using bootvheg's applet. My balance has always been maintained at 80:80 or above, and is currently at 82:81.

2. Is this the best build on SRO? NO, lol. Every build has its pros and cons. Decide on which build you'd like to be most effective at killing, and there you'll find your "personal," so-called "best" build.

3. So... is a hybrid balancer build (yes, this is the correct term for the build) AT LEAST, in my opinion, the best BOW build? YES, 100% yes. Why? Simple: A.) The bow is a hybrid-type "balanced" weapon - look at its stats at your nearest npc, and compare this with both blade and sword. This build will help you harness the mag power of the bow (which is otherwise wasted with a full str bow build). B.) What you lose in HP, you will make up with higher average normal damage. And you will also hit with crits of almost EQUAL (if not higher) damage as compared to a full str archer (proven elsewhere on this thread, but I will provide my own proof/Calc in a future post). Crucially, what you lose in HP can be mitigated with the use of XL pots, a higher autopot setting (80-95% for PvP) and of course HIGH PHY/MAG DEFENCE (as should be the goal of ALL players engaged in active PvP).

More on all this at a later date... but to clarify one point of contention...

HOW GOOD IS THIS BUILD AT PVP?

Not the best overall. Full str glaivers are the best currently. But this WILL change with the next big update. But please note the following:

i.) A full str bow will ALWAYS DO BETTER than this build vs. an INT build. Full str bows should OWN an int with comparable gear within a 1-2 level range.

ii.) BUT, a full str bow will LOSE to a comparable full str glaiver 90% of the time. (Might change drastically after next update.)

iii.) AND, full str bow will ALMOST ALWAYS LOSE to a Hybrid Balancer Bow with comparable gear and weapon. Simply put, this 80:80 build is designed to increase an archer's chances of holding his/her own against STR CHARACTERS. With comparable gear, a hybrid balancer bow should kill ALL str archers (only an insanely lucky crit combo can skew this fact) and hold his own against glaivers (say, with a 40-50% chance of winning one-on-one). Remember, a balancer will deal significant MAG DMG (the bane of a str build) upon a str char; comparatively, a full str bow deals sizeably less mag dmg to his opponent, no more than any other str char would.

SO, finally ... Mihai (please provide your in-game name if you dare^^), you have NEVER killed me one-on-one. How do I know this? Simple: NO archer has killed me one-on-one at 70 cap, and only Archerchamp (lvl 80 with sosun bow) has bested me one-on-one at this present cap (although I did beat him, my som vs his sosun, when I was 77 and he was 75). The truth is (@Mihai, DS^, glaive, et al) -- no NON-SUN player has killed me one-on-one in recent memory (say, in the last 2 months or so). Contrary to rumour, I job a LOT and usually it takes 2 or more non-sun glaivers or ints to kill me. Perhaps a sneaky archer or two has killed me in the heat of battle as I was being ganged upon (same way most of us get killed at job wars, full sun goldbuyers notwithstanding ).

Now, let me see...

AT 70 CAP: I was fully farmed and geared 4-5 months ahead of cap release. I packed only a normal 64+5 bow (sos bow sold early on) and could down the strongest full str archer (Cannonball, fully-farmed, in full blued +4/+5 garment set & similar bow) in under a minute, 10 out of 10 times.

AT PRESENT: I am lvl 79, and my masteries are at 70 (9 gap sp farming). My masteries have never been above 72 for this cap. I currently use a normal 72+5 bow ( formerly som+5 = 72+7/+8 ). Now, I'm pretty sure that 80-90% of notable archers on Aege are in my union (Dejavu). So I have PvPed with most of them. I think the best full str archers on my server currently are Archerchamp (Sosun bow), NouNe (lvl 80) and Badmadafaka (lvl 79 Romanian^^ archer, with super-pimped garment set & 2nd best 72+7 bow on Aege). I've recently lost to Archerchamp (no contest ), have not PvPed with NouNe (who doesn't cape that much), and have bested the Romanian twice in the past month or so (under a minute -- he was a level or so below me, though). Just a few names I could think of at the top of my head. Apologies if I've left out any mega-archer.

Well, that's all for now. Have fun, keep the discussion civil and talk to you all soon.

Cheers! ~ Wind

[legendhavoc]

I got a sorta question.

If your gunna do this then why not make a glaive with lightning. You could use phantom then imbune electricity and do your thing.

80%/80% would work better for glaive/spear in my opinion just because u can phantom to close range which excludes range from the duel.

a 80%/80% blade is another step. you can phantom closer and do kd/stab with lightning imbune damage magic 80% lightning damage is insane for a blade.

You could even do a sword.. Reason i say sword/blade is because the more defence u have, the less damage you take. so if u block 300 phys and 300 magic to somone who hits with 600 phys and 200 magic your going to take 300 damage right?, were as a pure str would block like 400 phys and 50 magic, 350 dmg to u. iunno just blades are made for defence so why does every1 go pure str. your going to get more defence form 80%/80% and u wont be doing bad damage. The less damage you take the less HP you need and you iwll be doing better damage then a usual blade the fact that you could use a sword for imbune damage over the str blade means u will do more damage with imbune then they ever will with blade right?

Protector gear is obviously a hybrid set because your 80%/80% u need a jack of all trades gear.

Hybrids arnt the best, but they arnt the worst.

[Wind]

I got a sorta question.

If your gunna do this then why not make a glaive with lightning. You could use phantom then imbune electricity and do your thing.

80%/80% would work better for glaive/spear in my opinion just because u can phantom to close range which excludes range from the duel.

a 80%/80% blade is another step. you can phantom closer and do kd/stab with lightning imbune damage magic 80% lightning damage is insane for a blade.

Protector gear is obviously a hybrid set because your 80%/80% u need a jack of all trades gear.

Hybrids arnt the best, but they arnt the worst.

Well, absolutely -- glaive or spear would work just as well with this kind of build. Go glaive to give yourself an advantage vs. ints, and go spear vs. strs. Better still (if money alows) -- pack both weapons, quickslot them, and switch as needed.

TBH, I haven't thought that much about blader/sword balancers. But it seems to me that if you're gonna arm yourself with the added security of a shield (extra def + block, block, block), you'd want to go for the highest damage possible -- which basically means sword over blade (bearing in mind that this build is a str-killing, and not int-killing, build). And along those lines, you might actually end up wanting to go int or hybrid int rather than hybrid balancer.

Glaive is a suprisingly balanced weapon to be honest, and will give you higher phy dmg than a bow. Spear will give you higher mag dmg than a bow, and perhaps it's easier to get a very high crit spear (or so they say). But clearly the main advantage of heuskal is the abiltity to stun and knockback. These are both offensive and defensive in nature, no?

That said -- pancheon will soon have both stun and kb too!

That leaves us to consider the advanges that only a bow will give you: range and the ability to always strike first (if played correctly) -- imagine this working in tandem with knockback (!), a decidely higher percentage chance and frequency of critical hits, and also access to currently the single highest damage skill in the game (devil arrow - awesome as a first strike critical).

I suspect, however, many who have chosen to play archers do so because they simply like the style of gameplay the weapon affords you.

[legendhavoc]

(delted post lagged and it duplicated -.-)

[legendhavoc]

What spell stuns?, i saw knock back. no stun hm.

Well neway yeah Also on the spear u can use 2 books to stun, 2 strikes in one book and 2 in another if u masssed stuns u could keep your opponent immobile haha, funny.