best sub-class for a 2h sword warrior

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:00 pm

hi everyone

Im quite new to this game, and to this forum and with the europe update comming, I decided to leave my old game (Rakion) and go play a silkroad european character.

My plan was to make a 2h-sword warrior, but, as 2 masterypoints are assigned each lvl, which subclass should I choose?

After reading some topics, I figured out that probably bard or rogue is the best subclass, but what do you think?
Please motivate your answers

Thanks in advance

Boogyman

EDIT: Never knew i posted before lol

JackB4u3r · Post by **JackB4u3r** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:28 pm

I think that when you play with a 2-Handed sword for some time, you will realize that a speed buff and similar are just needed.

So a a bard is a very good option, even though just take what you like, for example:

when I saw how slow 2-Handed sword is in pvp and how much that boring is I made a dual weapon warrior ^^

IceCrash · Post by **IceCrash** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:44 pm

JackB4u3r wrote:I think that when you play with a 2-Handed sword for some time, you will realize that a speed buff and similar are just needed.

So a a bard is a very good option, even though just take what you like, for example:

when I saw how slow 2-Handed sword is in pvp and how much that boring is I made a dual weapon warrior ^^

SHHHHHH
lol

nofearz · Post by **nofearz** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:18 pm

I don't like 1 hand sword with shield I think blader is better even if euro can pot without delay

LuCkYaN · Post by **LuCkYaN** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:23 pm

What's difference blade vs sword ?

What's better ?

JackB4u3r · Post by **JackB4u3r** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:07 pm

LuCkYaN wrote:What's difference blade vs sword ?

What's better ?

Blade = Physical weapon.

Sword = Magical weapon.

Cinema · Post by **Cinema** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:48 pm

Depends if you wear armor I would go with bard.
But if you wear protector I would go for Cleric because of the buffs and you can revive if needed.

dem0nhunter · Post by **dem0nhunter** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:31 pm

Cinema wrote:Depends if you wear armor I would go with bard.
But if you wear protector I would go for Cleric because of the buffs and you can revive if needed.

armor + bard?
dont know that game
i thought we were talking about silkroad europe

i think you shouldnt mix int types with str types so i would take rogue

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:31 am

I've been thinking again, and the point is that, when taking bard as a sub-class, you probably will be standing at the sideline, buffing people.
Secondly, this will mean you will need a harp to cast most of the buffs, which will disappear when you switch back to your sword (correct my if im wrong though).
Yet, this sub-class will give you one of the best skills: movement increase, but that will probably disappear when switching weapons

However, when getting the rogue tree, I could possibly pick out the good things (dublicate(which brings in gold and fun

), poisons, stealth) or even the whole crossbow tree. This will mean I can shoot when the enemy is far away, and switch to 2-handed sword when he gets close. This could prove usefull in pvp and pvm.

Also, I can stealth which comes in handy in jobwars. When having found a target, switch weapon, thus automaticly unstealth, and knock him/her down or take the target out with a crossbow from far away.

So, what do you think? Though it might take some farming: is it any good? A 2-handed sword warrior with a crossbow as sub-weapon, and the ability to stealth? :roll:

pengachu · Post by **pengachu** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:52 am

from this topic, i can safely assume that u get 2 skill points when u lvl once and thus make a subclass possible?

but wat if u decided go pure 2h then? maybe that is an option?

but i was thinking that i would prob go 2h with cleric...since with the cleric ability u not only get mana boost ( assumption made from the force tree in chinese race ) and u can heal urself, thus making soloing quests possible.

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:10 pm

I dont know about the cleric as a sub-class.

Warrior has the highest defence, and has skills adding incredible amounts of hp, magical defence and physical defence. Knowing that, i doubt a warrior will need to heal himself often.

Thus I'd rather want a damage increasing sub-class, such as rogue or bard.

pengachu · Post by **pengachu** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:43 pm

in that case i would rather be a bard becuz i know the poison thing of rogue only applies on either crossbow arrows or their mini knives ( source from taiwanese sro site, euro has been open to them for about 2 yrs )

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:34 pm

lol..
have you read the post, 4 post above this one, saying I would take the whole crossbow tree? :roll:

Anyways, I watched some movies and saw that, as said before, a 2h sword is kinda slow...
So, what would you think goes better in combination with a crossbow?
A 1 or 2 handed sword?

KoRniziWa · Post by **KoRniziWa** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:40 pm

i would say 2handsword... 1hand is just to weak, and the skills arent that great too...

i heard somethin about a warrior/bard combination... but what about the protector? is it possible to wear garment and use 2 hand sword with this masteries? would be an advantage for pvp, cuz garment has still the best defense against china-players - if so, id say u should go warrior/bard

nara · Post by **nara** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:36 pm

JackB4u3r wrote:I think that when you play with a 2-Handed sword for some time, you will realize that a speed buff and similar are just needed.

So a a bard is a very good option, even though just take what you like, for example:

when I saw how slow 2-Handed sword is in pvp and how much that boring is I made a dual weapon warrior ^^

why is it boring if the weapon is slow?
+ i heared that 2 handed was one of the best in pvp

pengachu · Post by **pengachu** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:26 pm

i thinik 2h sword is like the euro version of chinese glavie

HyorunmarouZ · Post by **HyorunmarouZ** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:41 am

Boogyman wrote:I've been thinking again, and the point is that, when taking bard as a sub-class, you probably will be standing at the sideline, buffing people.
Secondly, this will mean you will need a harp to cast most of the buffs, which will disappear when you switch back to your sword (correct my if im wrong though).
Yet, this sub-class will give you one of the best skills: movement increase, but that will probably disappear when switching weapons

Speed buff doesn't disappear when you switch weapons, but it's about the only ones that remain. Most of euro buffs are weapon oriented, so, if you want Rogue buffs, be a Rogue because they will disappear if you change to sword. Now, as Bard is a sub-class you won't be using the main Bard buffs (if you want to be a support char you would be Bard as a main class, right?) thus, you don't need to worry about them (besides they take plenty of MP which you won't have).

Bard is a very good sub-class even if you only get Speed and Noise buffs.

With Cleric you only need Ressurrection and maybe Heal, other skills are useless unless you are Cleric as a main.

About Rogue... they haven't a good "sub-class" skill... the Rogues skills are very nice if that's your main class, not otherwise.

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:01 am

Thx for the replies

If you could wear a garment with your sword, it would take away a major weakness: the awefull magical defence. Allthough there are some skills to boost it, those skills last for a very short period of time
So, I hope it can be done

@HyorunmarouZ: What exactly is this noise skill.
However, the 55% movement increase on the highest lvl sounds nice.
About the cleric skills: A warrior has got the highest amount of hp and defence, meaning it wont die easily, thus the only use in taking cleric is resurrecting and healing others. This wont be a disaster when missed, as the character im probably going to play with as a friend, is a mage/cleric, and chances are high there is a cleric on your party anyway.

I have made up my mind, and will probably take the bard sub-class

HyorunmarouZ · Post by **HyorunmarouZ** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:18 am

Boogyman wrote:Thx for the replies

If you could wear a garment with your sword, it would take away a major weakness: the awefull magical defence. Allthough there are some skills to boost it, those skills last for a very short period of time
So, I hope it can be done

@HyorunmarouZ: What exactly is this noise skill.
However, the 55% movement increase on the highest lvl sounds nice.
About the cleric skills: A warrior has got the highest amount of hp and defence, meaning it wont die easily, thus the only use in taking cleric is resurrecting and healing others. This wont be a disaster when missed, as the character im probably going to play with as a friend, is a mage/cleric, and chances are high there is a cleric on your party anyway.

I have made up my mind, and will probably take the bard sub-class

1 It's a skill like the chinese Harmony Therapy (make the mobs of a determined level passive), but this one works a little different. Instead of being a circle in the ground is an aura around your char, so the only one who has the protection is you (This is very useful for Bards because they aren't meant to be involved in fighting), this is very useful in solo grinding as a class with low HP like INT ones.

2 Yes, there's a high chance, but remember that Cleric is an INT class (has been said that they would survive longer as STR but Cleric skills have a high MP consumption, so they need all the MP they can have). If, by any chance, the Cleric dies, is useful to have someone else who can ressurect the dead Cleric to start healing again. And, as Warriors have lots of HP, they are more likely to stay alive longer to be able to do it.

Boogyman · Post by **Boogyman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:40 am

mmmmm...

You are giving me a hard time choosing.

Simple answer to that is... What sub-class would you choose?

phh990 · Post by **phh990** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:58 pm

But what if you would choose a wizard (main pure int)/cleric build? that would seem quite good right? cause a cleric can heal mp and hp (dont know if thats true) and a wizard does good damage.

JackB4u3r · Post by **JackB4u3r** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:47 pm

nara wrote:why is it boring if the weapon is slow?
+ i heared that 2 handed was one of the best in pvp

Well yes a 2-Handed sword is really strong in pvp, since he can raise his defense by a great amount and deals also big damage, but he attacks really slow. And each attacks looks totally same, no difference like in Chinese, but it's too linear. That's why a 2-Handed sword gets boring in pvp. Also wizards pwn your ass >.>.

KoRniziWa · Post by **KoRniziWa** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:28 pm

i asked before, but no reply yet :> :lets think im 6x

if i have warrior mastery on 60 and bard mastery on 60, can i use a 2hand sword combinated with garment, instead of armor and protector?
because i thinks it kind of suicide to fight nukers in armor

locksmith · Post by **locksmith** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 pm

Side question.

Can u tell me the name of the Bard speed skill?
"need for sp calculator"

Thanks
TLS

MrFudge · Post by **MrFudge** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:29 am

locksmith wrote:Side question.

Can u tell me the name of the Bard speed skill?
"need for sp calculator"

Thanks
TLS

marching speed something, i dont feel like logging into to find out lol.

i remeber the word "marching" 100% though.

put the calculator away, ull prob have enough sp with a 1 gap.

DeathBeforeDishonor · Post by **DeathBeforeDishonor** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:57 am

MrFudge wrote:
locksmith wrote:Side question.

Can u tell me the name of the Bard speed skill?
"need for sp calculator"

Thanks
TLS

marching speed something, i dont feel like logging into to find out lol.

i remeber the word "marching" 100% though.

put the calculator away, ull prob have enough sp with a 1 gap.

nice avatar

lotri · Post by **lotri** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:00 am

Possible sub-trees: Rogue, Bard, Cleric

Rogue: stealth, make 31/32-mob masks for speedy running (faster than ironclads, and just a smidgen faster than 90% grasswalk in garms - tested and proven), dagger sprint 132% at Lv 80 (equip daggers to use)

Bard: Noise (personal therapy as explained above, though possibly unneeded as you'll be the tanker of a party), Speed Buff (definitely useful if you want to counter your slow armor speed... or you can get Bard to Lv 10 and use 20% grasswalk), ability to wear Garms depending on level of Bard mastery

Cleric: passives if wearing protector, 45-second buff makes you very hard to kill (at lv 12 ~ 90 mastery ~ imagine getting the pdef of a glaiver, mdef of a nuker.. ADDED ONTO your current defense); can res if your party healer dies

KoRniziWa · Post by **KoRniziWa** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:10 am

sounds like 2handsowrd /cleric is the best combination for pvp (1on1)... i mean the defense buffs are good and i think u cant use a crossbow in 1on1 that often....

i would say 2hand sword warriors need all the defense they can get, especially the magical defense!

am i right? ;P

CHIPS · Post by **CHIPS** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:01 am

You can also choose a warlock secondary to reflect nukes. The full int nuker will one-hit-kill himelf, and you would still have around 30-40% of health left.

You can also use a wizard secondary if you want group invisability. Ice magic nuke do not hurt much, but it doesn't matter to you if you are a warrior. Very useful in jobs.

Joku · Post by **Joku** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:52 pm

2H Warrior / Cleric. In pt; Tanks, and protects nukers + heals himself, and others. Pvp; Actives regeneration skill, and starts hitting enemy. And if you have vigors, and hp pots + regeneration spell, u are undutchable