lion shout vs soul cut or sword dance -- high lvls

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:44 pm

Why is lion better than soul or dance?

I'm pure int with
soul bk1 lvl 4
dance bk1 lvl 1
shout bk2 lvl1

soul does the same damage as shout, dance does 50% more, both have ability to crit which makes them even more powerful, both use far less mp than shout

so w.t.f? why does everyone say shout is the best? will this change as I lvl (57 atm)? is it mainly for pvp? apart from the slower refresh of dance it is far better atm, not sure what will happen if I lvl it tho

Devotia · Post by **Devotia** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:58 pm

I've maxed petal sword and devil cut. Devil cut does a LOT more dmg and petal sword can hit 3 mobs 15M away. When you're in the cave the faster you get mobs to you the faster you can kill them.

Awwndreezy · Post by **Awwndreezy** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:45 pm

Devotia wrote:I've maxed petal sword and devil cut. Devil cut does a LOT more dmg and petal sword can hit 3 mobs 15M away. When you're in the cave the faster you get mobs to you the faster you can kill them.

+1

fena · Post by **fena** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:49 pm

I believe one of the reasons why Nukers use the Lion Shout Series instead of the Blade Force Series, or Sword Dance Series, is because it's an instantaneous move that refreshes extremely quick. At the higher levels, it may take you a nuke, and two Lion Shouts to finish a mob up, in which case they happen right after another. Each of the Lion Shout book's casting time is 100% (1 second), while the Blade Force is 120% (1.2 seconds), 150% (1.5 seconds), and 95% x 2 (a total of 1.9 seconds). You could fit in 2 Lion Shouts in about the same time it takes to do one Devil Cut Blade, and for INTs, grinding is all about speed. That's not to mention that the Lion Shout Series has a little AoE, and the Sword Dance Series just takes too long to travel to the mob, if you've ever watched the animation. It's ridiculous.
Besides, then what do the Pure INT Spears do? The Flying Dragon Series is 200%, or 2 seconds. Even worse.

And besides, having three books of Lion Shout, as well as the rest of your Nukes and your last book of your Fire Imbue all lined up on your skill bar just looks awesome.

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:39 am

fena wrote:And besides, having three books of Lion Shout, as well as the rest of your Nukes and your last book of your Fire Imbue all lined up on your skill bar just looks awesome.

lmao

Thx guys, I'm gonna go with the dance, all I use lion for is finishing (which it does worse than the others) or drawing. Don't understand why you would use three books of lion over a nuke, unless for pvp when timing is everything ...

pinoyplaya · Post by **pinoyplaya** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:44 am

fena wrote:I believe one of the reasons why Nukers use the Lion Shout Series instead of the Blade Force Series, or Sword Dance Series, is because it's an instantaneous move that refreshes extremely quick. At the higher levels, it may take you a nuke, and two Lion Shouts to finish a mob up, in which case they happen right after another. Each of the Lion Shout book's casting time is 100% (1 second), while the Blade Force is 120% (1.2 seconds), 150% (1.5 seconds), and 95% x 2 (a total of 1.9 seconds). You could fit in 2 Lion Shouts in about the same time it takes to do one Devil Cut Blade, and for INTs, grinding is all about speed. That's not to mention that the Lion Shout Series has a little AoE, and the Sword Dance Series just takes too long to travel to the mob, if you've ever watched the animation. It's ridiculous.
Besides, then what do the Pure INT Spears do? The Flying Dragon Series is 200%, or 2 seconds. Even worse.

And besides, having three books of Lion Shout, as well as the rest of your Nukes and your last book of your Fire Imbue all lined up on your skill bar just looks awesome.

So wait, does the percentage on the skill mean the amount of time it takes to recharge the skill? Nothing to do with dmg at all? Or are u talking about a different percentage?

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:20 am

don't think so, looking at 160% skill right now it takes about 2-3 seconds

fena · Post by **fena** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:37 am

fucksake wrote:don't think so, looking at 160% skill right now it takes about 2-3 seconds

What 160% are you looking at? If a skill has more than one attack, it's 1.6 seconds for each part of the attack.
And yes, yes, I'm right.

Ell · Post by **Ell** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:03 am

How come imbues have it though?

fena · Post by **fena** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:54 pm

Ell wrote:How come imbues have it though?

Don't ask me. As SMS. I didn't know that until a few days ago, when someone asked that question in C&S, and he told everybody what it was.
If I'm wrong, then it's SMS's fault.

shadowman20875 · Post by **shadowman20875** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:00 pm

Dance is bull, go blade force, only tiny bit slower than lion but more damage and you can crit, dance is way too slow

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:31 am

fena wrote:
fucksake wrote:don't think so, looking at 160% skill right now it takes about 2-3 seconds

What 160% are you looking at? If a skill has more than one attack, it's 1.6 seconds for each part of the attack.
And yes, yes, I'm right.

hmm think it was the two hit spear, so that would make sense