Fire Mastry...Worth it to Max..or not..

[JessicaYan]

Hi, I was just working out how my skills and how it would look like when the cap is 90.
I was stumped when it came to Fire mastery ( lvl69 right now).
My question is, should i max it to 80, or even 90.

I have been doing my research about dmg calculations, and I learned that the elemental mastery does not effect your magic dmg because its left out of the formula ( its left out of the formula because the game doesn't know wich element to choose *crdt neuclearsilo). I was calculating and if that was really the true final dmg of magic n phy would be about the same...thats not correct. So i was thinking fire mastery does raise your dmg, maybe when you imbue your wep. I need some thoughts and opinions on this.

Thanks in advance

[Sekkaigan]

I would think so... I think... if i get your point:

My ice is at mastery lvl 50 and my fire is at mastery lvl 30.
I use lvl 1, book 1 ice nuke and lvl 1, book 1 fire nuke.
My ice nuke does more damage than fire nuke.

[Grim]

But, Fire Nuke has the most Dmg. Your ice nuke does more dmg, cause of there masteries.

All of your ice skills do 20% more dmg then fire skill.

If your masteries were equal, Fire nuke would do more dmg then the Ice nuke

[Sekkaigan]

True

[Sekkaigan]

True

Ice nuke only does like 200 damage more ... that's sad...

[Grim]

JessicaYan

Your sig is really small...

But it freaking owns..

So funny

[glavie]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

[JessicaYan]

Sorry let me restate, I am only concerned about the imbue, not the nuke. I know mastery increases nuke dmg, but does it effect imbue with blade/glaive/bow skill? So my question is really, would I need to get lvl 80 fire mastery for my lvl80 blader? If mastery doesn't raise imbue dmg, then i will leave fire at 69.

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

Thanks, I hope this is correct. Anyone else approve this?

JessicaYan

Your sig is really small...

But it freaking owns..

So funny

lol thanks

[JessicaYan]

anyone else know?

[dannyz]

fire inbue does do more damage, but for full str players the imbue doesnt add that much damage, but for a int user it adds alot of damage
i hope it helpd ><

[borat2]

as a str based build i would keep fire as my main (important) mastery

for the passive/buffs the imbue might not be THAT important but if you get any new passive and buff for the new cap or upcoming skills then consider fire as your main force.

[William-CL]

Fire Imbue is the best if your looking for Damage attacks. If you want to be annoying then go ih cold.(the immune thing gets fixd later). Light is alo good.

[JessicaYan]

thanks for the comments guys, but you are missing my question. Please read my initial post.

[skulldiver]

well,im not a tech-geek,and dont get all that terms.
what i do know however,is that you need fire.
you should have fire maxed.ALWAYS.
if you dont,an other blader youre lvl will smack youre head in the dirt.
you dont want to miss a total of +15% phys.dmg

[flexo]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

hmm that is interesting.. and he tested that?? anywhere that he put the test-results on that?? and what did he do excactly. Cause from what i believed before was that mastery lvl just increases the dmg with 1% on all skills. But you are saying that imbue is a exception on that???

Makes no sense to me.. but might be true.

[EllisD]

If your a STR heavy build, the 1% per level that you will gain by upping a force mastery wont be as noticable as if you were an INT heavy build. That dosnt mean the increase isnt there.

I would focus on your buffs in the various trees and get them maxed and when you have nothing else to do, i would work on raising you fire. I wouldnt think its critical at the moment.

For STR builds, weapon mastery is most influencial on your damage so work on this first.

[glavie]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

hmm that is interesting.. and he tested that?? anywhere that he put the test-results on that?? and what did he do excactly. Cause from what i believed before was that mastery lvl just increases the dmg with 1% on all skills. But you are saying that imbue is a exception on that???

Makes no sense to me.. but might be true.

Here you go Flexo

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 652#581652

Well thats how I read it. He did not specify how detailed his experiment was. Since he is a pure str character, ElisD may be right that the difference maybe insignificant and not show up in a test. If that is true then either way mastery does not matter for str based characters.

[Nenhunter]

well, i 100% sure mastery lvl does increase dmg. I did a 0 gap on fire mastery for about 8 lvls and then dropped to a 9 gap to farm. I noticed a 1k dmg difference. So mastery does increase dmg.

[flexo]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

hmm that is interesting.. and he tested that?? anywhere that he put the test-results on that?? and what did he do excactly. Cause from what i believed before was that mastery lvl just increases the dmg with 1% on all skills. But you are saying that imbue is a exception on that???

Makes no sense to me.. but might be true.

Here you go Flexo

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 652#581652

Well thats how I read it. He did not specify how detailed his experiment was. Since he is a pure str character, ElisD may be right that the difference maybe insignificant and not show up in a test. If that is true then either way mastery does not matter for str based characters.

well what i get out of that topic is that he wanted to test the effect of the diffent kinds of imbue on the chances of a critical. So you prob misread it.. unless i missed a post where he said what you claim. cause i didn't read all the posts, just scanned through them.

[flexo]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

hmm that is interesting.. and he tested that?? anywhere that he put the test-results on that?? and what did he do excactly. Cause from what i believed before was that mastery lvl just increases the dmg with 1% on all skills. But you are saying that imbue is a exception on that???

Makes no sense to me.. but might be true.

Here you go Flexo

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 652#581652

Well thats how I read it. He did not specify how detailed his experiment was. Since he is a pure str character, ElisD may be right that the difference maybe insignificant and not show up in a test. If that is true then either way mastery does not matter for str based characters.

well what i get out of that topic is that he wanted to test the effect of the diffent kinds of imbue on the chances of a critical. So you prob misread it.. unless i missed a post where he said what you claim. cause i didn't read all the posts, just scanned through them.

@nenHunter
i was pretty sure too.. but hey if someone tested it.. then i'm always open for new conclusions ^^
and it looks like you did.. so imbue ain't excluded, would have been strange to have all skills effected by mastery lvl except the imbue.

[glavie]

well, i 100% sure mastery lvl does increase dmg. I did a 0 gap on fire mastery for about 8 lvls and then dropped to a 9 gap to farm. I noticed a 1k dmg difference. So mastery does increase dmg.

What is your build? What skill were you testing it on? Nuke?
What mob were you testing it on?

1k is a really big difference, we need more info.

@Flexo
I re-read what tomiotar said, and while I think I am understanding correctly It seems that there were multiple variables besides just mastery, so whatever data would be inconclusive.
I do think it is a valid theory, but just a theory at this point.

[MrFudge]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

tomiotar is completely right, ive been testing is since lv1.

i had light master lvl 45 and ice mastery lvl 7.
i had first imbue for both lvl 2.

they basically did the same damage. tomiotar is 80:80 bow and im full str and we can both account for this, anyway im switching to ice imbue ..the diference in imbue damage for full str is almost negligent.

[glavie]

Tomiotar said that mastery level has no effect on imbue. He has tested it on his strength bow character. He believes that it has an effect on nuke damage. Obviously he can't test that.

tomiotar is completely right, ive been testing is since lv1.

i had light master lvl 45 and ice mastery lvl 7.
i had first imbue for both lvl 2.

they basically did the same damage. tomiotar is 80:80 bow and im full str and we can both account for this, anyway im switching to ice imbue ..the diference in imbue damage for full str is almost negligent.

Tomiotar is STR based bow there is a picture in the link I posted above.

[JackB4u3r]

Depends.

If you aim 80, then i think it's worth.

If you are aiming 90, not. Mana shield, new skills and etc... It's rare to see a nuker doing fire attacking, most are lightning/ice.

[Nenhunter]

well, i 100% sure mastery lvl does increase dmg. I did a 0 gap on fire mastery for about 8 lvls and then dropped to a 9 gap to farm. I noticed a 1k dmg difference. So mastery does increase dmg.

What is your build? What skill were you testing it on? Nuke?
What mob were you testing it on?

1k is a really big difference, we need more info.

my fault, i should've provided more info

Im Spear INT-Hybrid LVL 79. Mastery is atm 70 fire/spear 68 light 60 ice (farming for lvl 80 skills. Dunno how much i need but its 100k+ ) Lemme give u a quick and easy understanding that mastery do increase dmg (althought affecting INT builds more than STRs) At lvl 79 with 0 gap, I was able to 1-hit niya guards (yes guards, they are still green ) with book2 (maxed btw) fire nuke with book2 fire imbue. However, with 9 gap, i can't. Need I say more?

[glavie]

Thanks nenhunter for the fast reply.
That definitely clarifies that force mastery affects int builds dependent on nukes.

Now we just need to find out if and how much it affects a str character